Yes, his area of specialty is the history of religion, specifically Bahai. Notice that he has absolutely no credentials in political science or the middle east in the 20th century.
Iran Talks fail again
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AIPAC has been pressuring the states to go all hardline with Iran through the IAEA. Its working for them so far, in that the goal posts keep moving any the talks are becoming less palatable for Iran. Now Iran is asked to end all enrichment and not gain anything at all, and who would sign that? Iran had previously offered reasonable plans including ending all 20% enrichment in exchange for the end of sanctions, but when they are asked to give up the very things the treaty was there to protect for nothing, you can't expect them to agree.
Seems that AIPAC's goal is to make the negotiations so ridiculous as to make Iran walk away from the talks, therefore opening the door for Israel to be able to goad the US into attacking, since they can't possibly try to argue they need to attack a country in the middle of negotiations. But now its looking like Israel's coalition government may be more fragile then suspected, and may not play along. So the hope for peace now is coming from Israel's own political instability, not from anything Iran does.
The strange part is that these aren't rumours, but from articles published in the mainstream press. If I was an American, I'd be shocked that foreign policy is so openly manipulated by a foreign country.
And note that this is all political, not racial. Its the hardliners in Israel, who don't speak for all Jews and who are becoming more unpalatable to American Jews as well that are leading this. Its a government that is worried about losing control through the middle east and is pressuring the US to take them out for them, but without fully considering the risks or costs.
Seems that AIPAC's goal is to make the negotiations so ridiculous as to make Iran walk away from the talks, therefore opening the door for Israel to be able to goad the US into attacking, since they can't possibly try to argue they need to attack a country in the middle of negotiations. But now its looking like Israel's coalition government may be more fragile then suspected, and may not play along. So the hope for peace now is coming from Israel's own political instability, not from anything Iran does.
The strange part is that these aren't rumours, but from articles published in the mainstream press. If I was an American, I'd be shocked that foreign policy is so openly manipulated by a foreign country.
And note that this is all political, not racial. Its the hardliners in Israel, who don't speak for all Jews and who are becoming more unpalatable to American Jews as well that are leading this. Its a government that is worried about losing control through the middle east and is pressuring the US to take them out for them, but without fully considering the risks or costs.
Oh look, an op-ed from a deluded defender of a theocratic tyranny. I guess I should take it seriously.AIPAC has been pressuring the states to go all hardline with Iran through the IAEA. Its working for them so far, in that the goal posts keep moving any the talks are becoming less palatable for Iran. Now Iran is asked to end all enrichment and not gain anything at all, and who would sign that? Iran had previously offered reasonable plans including ending all 20% enrichment in exchange for the end of sanctions, but when they are asked to give up the very things the treaty was there to protect for nothing, you can't expect them to agree.
Seems that AIPAC's goal is to make the negotiations so ridiculous as to make Iran walk away from the talks, therefore opening the door for Israel to be able to goad the US into attacking, since they can't possibly try to argue they need to attack a country in the middle of negotiations. But now its looking like Israel's coalition government may be more fragile then suspected, and may not play along. So the hope for peace now is coming from Israel's own political instability, not from anything Iran does.
The strange part is that these aren't rumours, but from articles published in the mainstream press. If I was an American, I'd be shocked that foreign policy is so openly manipulated by a foreign country.
And note that this is all political, not racial. Its the hardliners in Israel, who don't speak for all Jews and who are becoming more unpalatable to American Jews as well that are leading this. Its a government that is worried about losing control through the middle east and is pressuring the US to take them out for them, but without fully considering the risks or costs.
I'm not a defender of Iran's present regime, I've argued before and continue to argue that leaving them alone will allow the people to worry less about foreign invasion and help restart the green movement towards a more democratic regime.Oh look, an op-ed from a deluded defender of a theocratic tyranny. I guess I should take it seriously.
Are you a warmonger?
Do you really believe that the US should bomb Iran on Israel's behalf?
The way you even phrase the question shows your irrational bias.I'm not a defender of Iran's present regime, I've argued before and continue to argue that leaving them alone will allow the people to worry less about foreign invasion and help restart the green movement towards a more democratic regime.
Are you a warmonger?
Do you really believe that the US should bomb Iran on Israel's behalf?
Iran has had decades of being ignored and the nutty theocracy still runs the place.
I think Iran needs to be compelled to respect the NPT and the additional protocol that it signed and almost immediately broke. For the time being sanctions are the method of choice. But now they have shown that they are not willing to negotiate in good faith they leave the law respecting world little alternative but force.
You may just be another in the long line of loonies who see a jewish conspiracy behind everything they don't like, but that don't make it real, and that doesn't for an instant changes the hard cold facts of Iranian non-compliance with treaties they have signed.
Iran had a functioning democracy in the 50's before they pissed off the US by nationalizing their oil. That set the US off and they rigged up a coup which has kept the theocracy in power over the democratic wishes of the people for decades. But even their nutty, rights stealing theocracies haven't started any wars. The Iranian nuke history is also nutty, started with US help in the 50's, they were abandoned after the coup and struggled to get it restarted for decades. They have previously negotiated fuel swaps, only to have their fuel stolen and return refused by France decades ago. The additional protocols were just that, additional elements that they agreed to in exchange for security from threats, another promise reneged on. And now AIPAC is pressuring the US to make these talks pointless, by refusing to offer Iran anything in exchange for concessions.The way you even phrase the question shows your irrational bias.
Iran has had decades of being ignored and the nutty theocracy still runs the place.
I think Iran needs to be compelled to respect the NPT and the additional protocol that it signed and almost immediately broke. For the time being sanctions are the method of choice. But now they have shown that they are not willing to negotiate in good faith they leave the law respecting world little alternative but force.
You may just be another in the long line of loonies who see a jewish conspiracy behind everything they don't like, but that don't make it real, and that doesn't for an instant changes the hard cold facts of Iranian non-compliance with treaties they have signed.
Just go to al jazeera and search under AIPAC.
On the history, you are close to correct. But last time I checked, the 50's are over. If you want to whine about history go ahead.Iran had a functioning democracy in the 50's before they pissed off the US by nationalizing their oil. That set the US off and they rigged up a coup which has kept the theocracy in power over the democratic wishes of the people for decades. But even their nutty, rights stealing theocracies haven't started any wars. The Iranian nuke history is also nutty, started with US help in the 50's, they were abandoned after the coup and struggled to get it restarted for decades. They have previously negotiated fuel swaps, only to have their fuel stolen and return refused by France decades ago. The additional protocols were just that, additional elements that they agreed to in exchange for security from threats, another promise reneged on. And now AIPAC is pressuring the US to make these talks pointless, by refusing to offer Iran anything in exchange for concessions.
Just go to al jazeera and search under AIPAC.
But if Iran didn't intend to honour the NPT and additional protocol they should not have signed it.
Neither you, nor I nor AJ, know exactly what occurred in those talks. But I am certain the Iran government continues to violate their treaty agreements and have to be brought to justice. The Iranian people suffer for their leadership's lawlessness. It is pathetic, and your excuses for it are pathetic.
Of course accusations of a jewish conspiracy have a much longer history than even the troubles in Iran.
Did you read about the US moving more ships to the Gulf?
Where is your evidence that Iran never intended to honour the NPT?But if Iran didn't intend to honour the NPT and additional protocol they should not have signed it.
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Of course accusations of a jewish conspiracy have a much longer history than even the troubles in Iran.
I'd say the evidence goes the other way, that they've continually been asked to do more (ie additional protocols) and been given less then any other signatory to the NPT.
And who is talking Jewish conspiracy, I'm only talking about the power of one foreign based lobby group in the US. They don't speak for all Jews, in fact I'd say J-street is probably closer to the views of most Jews but they don't have the power of AIPAC.
By the way, did you search for AIPAC stories on al jazeera?
What do you have to say about this one:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryus2012/2012/03/20123774029910326.htmlWhat role does AIPAC play in US elections?
or this one:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/2012218134736845243.htmlDoes AIPAC want war?
Because they SIGNED the additional protocol and have failed to abide by it. Unless you suggest they had no intent to break the agreement because they did it by accident.Where is your evidence that Iran never intended to honour the NPT?
I'd say the evidence goes the other way, that they've continually been asked to do more (ie additional protocols) and been given less then any other signatory to the NPT.
AIPAC is just another lobby group. Maybe AIO should lobby and see how they do. That is part of a democracy. The article involving the Lieberman bill infers much more than the evidence shows. An objective mind would not call in journalism.
The signed it and abided by the additional protocols until the goal posts were moved and they were asked for more without any rewards. That's when they said no more.Because they SIGNED the additional protocol and have failed to abide by it. Unless you suggest they had no intent to break the agreement because they did it by accident.
AIPAC is just another lobby group. Maybe AIO should lobby and see how they do. That is part of a democracy. The article involving the Lieberman bill infers much more than the evidence shows. An objective mind would not call in journalism.
Big difference.
AIPAC is not just another lobby group, its members have been charged with spying, it should be listed as a foreign entity and it works toward changing policy in the US for the benefit of another country.
The goal posts have not been moved. That is just dishonest.The signed it and abided by the additional protocols until the goal posts were moved and they were asked for more without any rewards. That's when they said no more.
Big difference.
AIPAC is not just another lobby group, its members have been charged with spying, it should be listed as a foreign entity and it works toward changing policy in the US for the benefit of another country.
Go ahead, keep trying to play the jewish conspiracy card, Nobody is buying it. The members are Americans, but you want to deny they are Americans because they are Jewish. Pathetic.
You continue bat .000. Let's look at the University of Michigan page that describes and lists the courses he teaches:Yes, his area of specialty is the history of religion, specifically Bahai. Notice that he has absolutely no credentials in political science or the middle east in the 20th century.
"At the University of Michigan, he teaches courses on the modern history of the Middle East and on South Asia. He regularly teaches History 241, America and Middle Eastern Wars. He also offers a survey, History 443 Modern Middle East History. For graduate students he offersr History 664 Studies on the Modern Middle East, History 749 Seminar on the Modern Middle East, and History 793 The Study of the Near East, and has co-taught History 615 Comparative World History."
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/jcpers.htm
Now, we've established his credentials.
Your turn...what are the credentials of the masked reporter?
Sure the goal posts have been moved.The goal posts have not been moved. That is just dishonest.
Go ahead, keep trying to play the jewish conspiracy card, Nobody is buying it. The members are Americans, but you want to deny they are Americans because they are Jewish. Pathetic.
20% enrichment is allowed for research reactors, but the IAEA and the US say nope to Iran.
In fact enrichment is an enshrined right of the treaty, but the IAEA and the US don't want Iran to enrich anything.
And once again, who is talking conspiracy?
That is talk of some kind of hidden motive, this is all public.
I'm just quoting articles posted publicly about a registered lobby group, AIPAC.
There is no conspiracy, just an inordinate and disproportional influence on American politics by a lobby group motivated by foreigners.
And once again, I also don't believe that AIPAC speaks for most American Jews, all the ones I know would back J Street way more.
Israel is a country not an ideology.You must be parched.
Zionism is an ideology. Not a country.
Top Iran official: Time has come for Israel, U.S. to vanish from world
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ael-u-s-to-vanish-from-world.premium-1.449072
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And that's a headline, not a quote. Try again.Israel is a country not an ideology.
Top Iran official: Time has come for Israel, U.S. to vanish from world
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ael-u-s-to-vanish-from-world.premium-1.449072
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You really don't speak English. Do you think anyone actually believes your paper thin lies?And that's a headline, not a quote. Try again.
The time has come for the disappearance of Israel and the West from the face of the universe, a senior Iranian official was quoted as saying on Thursday, saying that they were the "prime sources of tyranny and gloom."
See that word there "quoted" it is a conjugation of the word "quote" which does make it a quote.
And that's a headline, not a quote. Try again.
Is this better
"The time has come for the disappearance of Israel and the West from the face of the universe, a senior Iranian official was quoted as saying on Thursday, saying that they were the "prime sources of tyranny and gloom."
No, it's not better. There is no quote of the speaker saying "Israel". That's the reporters addition to the quote. In fact, the speaker says this:Is this better
"The time has come for the disappearance of Israel and the West from the face of the universe, a senior Iranian official was quoted as saying on Thursday, saying that they were the "prime sources of tyranny and gloom."
"Speaking at a Tehran conference, Larijani was cited by Iran's Press TV as saying that "the time has come for the disappearance of the West and the Zionist regime - which are two dark spots in the present era - from the face of the universe."
“The U.S. and the Zionist regime are the prime sources of tyranny and gloom in the current age. The Muslim world is fed up with the injustice and abuse by these governments,” Larijani added."
As you can see, it's the ideology - not the country.
See #78. You should be thankful you are getting free lessons in sources from me.You really don't speak English. Do you think anyone actually believes your paper thin lies?
See that word there "quoted" it is a conjugation of the word "quote" which does make it a quote.
Since you can't read or comprehend properly they better be free!See #78. You should be thankful you are getting free lessons in sources from me.
