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Something new to add......

Was watching the documentary Freakonomics. They look at stats and look for patterns.

Stuff like real estate agentst when selling their own home hang onto it an avg of 10 days longer than their clients. Why? Little incentive to hold out for a better offer for the client as it might mean a small bonus to the commission.

Anyways, they send out 5000 resumes that are exactly the same except half have a black sounding name and the other a white sounding name. The white resume got a call 33% more often. Yes it was the states. But pretty sure in Canada therer's probably some bias as well.

So for those who think that slavery and what not are behind us. There are still difficulties for minorities. But maybe their parents should have given them names like Jake or Todd instead of Deshawn or Tyrone.
 

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If you don't get a good confidence level it means the connection is weak, doesn't exist or there are other stronger factors at play.

Interesting earlier you were so confident you wanted to bet.
Sorry, thought I would have internet at the cottage but it was not to be. If you don't get a good confidence level it means you cannot draw conclusions one way or another, it just means your sample is too small to draw conclusions. You can demonstrate that the connection is weak, with high confidence, if you have the data, and that is the case. Now that I'm back I'll try and find some time to look at the data.
 

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So for those who think that slavery and what not are behind us. There are still difficulties for minorities. But maybe their parents should have given them names like Jake or Todd instead of Deshawn or Tyrone.
I bet the effect would be even stronger if you sent out the same resume with names like "Ming", "Tomoe", or "Manjit", and yet those populations are not going around committing crime at the same rate. Sorry but this excuse doesn't fly--the black community has to own up to having a problem that it, itself, is now responsible for. Cannot just blame others.
 

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Something new to add......

Was watching the documentary Freakonomics. They look at stats and look for patterns.

Stuff like real estate agentst when selling their own home hang onto it an avg of 10 days longer than their clients. Why? Little incentive to hold out for a better offer for the client as it might mean a small bonus to the commission.

Anyways, they send out 5000 resumes that are exactly the same except half have a black sounding name and the other a white sounding name. The white resume got a call 33% more often. Yes it was the states. But pretty sure in Canada therer's probably some bias as well.

So for those who think that slavery and what not are behind us. There are still difficulties for minorities. But maybe their parents should have given them names like Jake or Todd instead of Deshawn or Tyrone.


Well that really doesn't prove racism at all. It does prove a cultural bias though & not an unreasonable one.

When I see a name like Deshawn or Treyvonn or one of those other psudeo-neo-african black empowerment names I'm drawn by overwhelming previous character experience to fear that whomever the name is attetched to is from a family that puts their "blackness" over fitting in... with all the monkeyshines that often goes with it. When I see a name like that it's a big red flag that flashes "racecard" & "HR nightmare" if I ever had to coach, discipline or heaven forbid ever have to fire them for even the most legitimate of reasons.

It's seriously the black equivalent of a white kid named David Duke or Adolf...

I'm not sorry about it either... I'd sooner hire a John Smith from ANY race over a Treyvon or Hitler

As far as I'm concerned race isn't so much an issue as certain groups using their differences in heritage to excuse & encourage antisocial behaviour. Blend in or fuck off.
 

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Well that really doesn't prove racism at all. It does prove a cultural bias though & not an unreasonable one.

When I see a name like Deshawn or Treyvonn or one of those other psudeo-neo-african black empowerment names I'm drawn by overwhelming previous character experience to fear that whomever the name is attetched to is from a family that puts their "blackness" over fitting in... with all the monkeyshines that often goes with it. When I see a name like that it's a big red flag that flashes "racecard" & "HR nightmare" if I ever had to coach, discipline or heaven forbid ever have to fire them for even the most legitimate of reasons.

It's seriously the black equivalent of a white kid named David Duke or Adolf...

I'm not sorry about it either... I'd sooner hire a John Smith from ANY race over a Treyvon or Hitler

As far as I'm concerned race isn't so much an issue as certain groups using their differences in heritage to excuse & encourage antisocial behaviour. Blend in or fuck off.
So you assume that a person will behave a certain way based on the name chosen by their parent. You've associated certain names with race and how you think they will behave. That is racist.

Would you even call the guy for an interview?

blend in..... well I guess he could change his name.

Anyways, here's a definition for racism

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others

You believe that blacks with black names will act a certain way that others would not. In other words your post is textbook or dictionary example.

How do you know John Smith is not going to milk benefits and be a stickler for every rule and try and find an advantage no matter what? Whites play the system too.
 

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Anyways, here's a definition for racism

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others
White men can't jump. Hee, hee, hee.
I think that they do "blind SAT" tests and yes, some ethnic groups consistently perform better than other ethnic groups.
 

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Well that really doesn't prove racism at all. It does prove a cultural bias though & not an unreasonable one.

When I see a name like Deshawn or Treyvonn or one of those other psudeo-neo-african black empowerment names I'm drawn by overwhelming previous character experience to fear that whomever the name is attetched to is from a family that puts their "blackness" over fitting in... with all the monkeyshines that often goes with it. When I see a name like that it's a big red flag that flashes "racecard" & "HR nightmare" if I ever had to coach, discipline or heaven forbid ever have to fire them for even the most legitimate of reasons.

It's seriously the black equivalent of a white kid named David Duke or Adolf...

I'm not sorry about it either... I'd sooner hire a John Smith from ANY race over a Treyvon or Hitler

As far as I'm concerned race isn't so much an issue as certain groups using their differences in heritage to excuse & encourage antisocial behaviour. Blend in or fuck off.
This post proves that their is a stigma associated with being black; no matter what the person's individual traits/merits are. Fuji has been repeatedly saying 'community this' and 'community that', but this poster's attitude is something that is much more prevalent than anyone here would admit. Every black person has and must endure a compromised position due to the acts of few. How come the same doesn't apply to 'cultures' that have long been know to war, colonize, enslave, and continue to abuse other humans? I know... it happened a long time ago.

Mentioning 'blending in' is silly. How can one blend in when you can see the difference 'a mile a way' (both literally and figuratively). Sure you 'blend in'. You live in a country in which you possess both the physical traits and dominating ideology of 'the majority'. It's easy to have your perspective when you run no risk of having to experience the opposite end of the spectrum.

You mention antisocial behaviour? How 'pro-social' is yours?
 

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I bet the effect would be even stronger if you sent out the same resume with names like "Ming", "Tomoe", or "Manjit", and yet those populations are not going around committing crime at the same rate. Sorry but this excuse doesn`t fly--the black community has to own up to having a problem that it, itself, is now responsible for. Cannot just blame others.
So I guess it`s time for another community to take a long look in the mirror...

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So I guess it's time for another community to take a long look in the mirror...
I'm sure they do but you cannot point the finger at another community to excuse the actions of your own. Fuji has already stated that 92% of violent gun crimes in the GTA are committed by one ethnic group that comprises only 6% of the population. On the other hand, Italians comprise 154% of the GTA population and are responsible for 0.2% of all violent gun crimes.
 

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I'm sure they do but you cannot point the finger at another community to excuse the actions of your own. Fuji has already stated that 92% of violent gun crimes in the GTA are committed by one ethnic group that comprises only 6% of the population. On the other hand, Italians comprise 154% of the GTA population and are responsible for 0.2% of all violent gun crimes.
I have not agreed or disagreed whether one community/ethnic group (the terms seem interchangeable around here) or another has commited the majority of violent gun crimes. I'm just pointing out two important points: a) Simply looking at ethnicity when defining a 'community' is incorrect. Their are many demographic indicators that that not only define, but spatially dilineate what a community is. b) The reaction that many have when it is 'them' commiting crime, is completely different than if it is/was 'one of their own.

Look at posts #734 and #737 and tell me that train-of-thought is not prevalent. As a responsible adult, what advice would that poster give 10 year old Deshawn or Treyvonn? I guess he would tell them that gang-banging is all they should do because their 'dream' of working for his company surely ain't happening. That's why I I scoff at solutions like 'education' and 'family values' as the 'be-alls' like fuji suggests. Of course they matter, but what's the point of all that effort when racist employers (like themexi) have it in for them simply because of their name?
 

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but what's the point of all that effort when racist employers (like themexi) have it in for them simply because of their name?
Many ethnic groups have suffered massive racist discrimination. The Chinese, the Koreans, Latinos, the Irish, Jews, Ukrainians, Italians, Portuguese, etc. Not every law abiding successful perosn in Canada is of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant blue bloodline. Karen Chan who is of British (mother) and Chinese (father) bloodline did a CBC documentary titled 'Gold Mountain" about how the Chinese in Canada overcame discrimination to be one of the most successful ethnic group here. Did you know that Chinese immigrants had to pay the 2012 equivalent of $100,000 as a "head tax" to enter Canada?
 

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I bet the effect would be even stronger if you sent out the same resume with names like "Ming", "Tomoe", or "Manjit", and yet those populations are not going around committing crime at the same rate. Sorry but this excuse doesn't fly--the black community has to own up to having a problem that it, itself, is now responsible for. Cannot just blame others
How the fuck is an innocent black guy responsible for another black guy who's a criminal, please explain??
 

frankcastle

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By perpetuating a culture which promotes violence. Legally responsible? No. Morally? Yes. Part of the problem? Absolutely.
Law abiding citizens are not responsible for the actions of others. And there are those who are invovled in community outreach groups so it is not like they aren't trying.

BTW no regressions or did you just not like the results?
 

frankcastle

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I bet the effect would be even stronger if you sent out the same resume with names like "Ming", "Tomoe", or "Manjit", and yet those populations are not going around committing crime at the same rate. Sorry but this excuse doesn't fly--the black community has to own up to having a problem that it, itself, is now responsible for. Cannot just blame others.
Oh here we go again. I cite a real study and you just make up your own results.

But you are also making a huge leap. The study was just showing that htere is a bias in hiring. It did not extend this bias to become an excuse for crime.
 

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Many ethnic groups have suffered massive racist discrimination. The Chinese, the Koreans, Latinos, the Irish, Jews, Ukrainians, Italians, Portuguese, etc. Not every law abiding successful perosn in Canada is of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant blue bloodline. Karen Chan who is of British (mother) and Chinese (father) bloodline did a CBC documentary titled 'Gold Mountain" about how the Chinese in Canada overcame discrimination to be one of the most successful ethnic group here. Did you know that Chinese immigrants had to pay the 2012 equivalent of $100,000 as a "head tax" to enter Canada?
To be fair we also have to look at how long a person or famly has been in Canada. It probable that these families had lean years befor things got better.

There was a time when irish was considered lowest of low.

But honestly all of this is beside the point.

Yes there are some blacks who are commiting gun crimes in a few urban cities in Canada but the disdain for those criminals should not extend to the community as a whole.

Fuji claimed that the black community accepts/condones/allows this behaviour..... I retorted with quotes from leaders of black groups and links to community run programs.

You can choose to believe his words or you can choose to accept that there are things being done by the community.

To condemn them for failing is also pretty low in my opinion. If someone is trying and failing instead of putting them down how about offering help and understanding instead of being cold and sayig "it's their problem." And if that is your attitude that it is their problem then why do you give a shit and argue so vehemently on a thread about it?!!!?

There are good people of all races. Instead of bveing divisive find the common ground and make some serious steps towards change.
 

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So you assume that a person will behave a certain way based on the name chosen by their parent. You've associated certain names with race and how you think they will behave. That is racist.
No Culture & race are 2 separate things... Believing otherwise is the racist point of view. Think.


Would you even call the guy for an interview?
Only as a last resort, & at the FIRST hint of ebonics GTFO. Same goes doubly for wiggers.


blend in..... well I guess he could change his name.
It wouold be a good start to distance himself from a failed culture.

Anyways, here's a definition for racism

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others

You believe that blacks with black names will act a certain way that others would not. In other words your post is textbook or dictionary example.

How do you know John Smith is not going to milk benefits and be a stickler for every rule and try and find an advantage no matter what? Whites play the system too.

Ummm... I was VERY clear that I was referring to a SUBSET of black people who in my opinion exhibit a red flag to their CULTURAL leanings.
NOT all black people.


Learn to read.




This post proves that their is a stigma associated with being black; no matter what the person's individual traits/merits are. Fuji has been repeatedly saying 'community this' and 'community that', but this poster's attitude is something that is much more prevalent than anyone here would admit. Every black person has and must endure a compromised position due to the acts of few. How come the same doesn't apply to 'cultures' that have long been know to war, colonize, enslave, and continue to abuse other humans? I know... it happened a long time ago.

Mentioning 'blending in' is silly. How can one blend in when you can see the difference 'a mile a way' (both literally and figuratively). Sure you 'blend in'. You live in a country in which you possess both the physical traits and dominating ideology of 'the majority'. It's easy to have your perspective when you run no risk of having to experience the opposite end of the spectrum.

You mention antisocial behaviour? How 'pro-social' is yours?
Same as above to you.


Did you read this part: "It's seriously the black equivalent of a white kid named David Duke or Adolf...
I'm not sorry about it either... I'd sooner hire a John Smith from ANY race over a Treyvon or Hitler"

Or did you just glaze over the parts that Won't let you scream racist?

By Blend in I speak directly to those people who "act black" Emulating almost ANY other culture will work better for them. What is generally understood to be "Black culture" is, to put it bluntly, INFERIOR. It doesn't work. It will Never work. & the sad thing is that too many decent blsck people are wasting their lives being pressured by the asshats of their "community" to actually live DOWN to a standard of behaviour.

I honestly say to anyone in the black "community": Come over to our side & live like US. Abandon this idiotic notion of "black culture"... Our way WORKS. We welcome you with open arms & you'll be happy & successful. I also say the same to trailer trash, eurotrash & those inexplicably STUPID white kids that think that acting black is any way to live a life.

In fact I hate even having to call it "acting black bc it's not confined to race & it IS something anyone can fix about themselves. Personally I think if there is still a place for the N word is should be exclusively used to refer to anyone of any race that "acts black" as the term is erroneously understood. "acting black" is insulting to the Black people that act like human beings & the N word should span any person of any race that voluntarily devolves.
 

frankcastle

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Same to you sir.

Did you read this part: "It's seriously the black equivalent of a white kid named David Duke or Adolf...
I'm not sorry about it either... I'd sooner hire a John Smith from ANY race over a Treyvon or Hitler"

Or did you just glaze over the parts that Won't let you scream racist?

By Blend in I speak directly to those people who "act black" Emulating almost ANY other culture will work better for them. What is generally understood to be "Black culture" is, to put it bluntly, INFERIOR. It doesn't work. It will Never work. & the sad thing is that too many decent blsck people are wasting their lives being pressured by the asshats of their "community" to actually live DOWN to a standard of behaviour.

I honestly say to anyone in the black "community": Come over to our side & live like US. Abandon this idiotic notion of "black culture"... Our way WORKS. We welcome you with open arms & you'll be happy & successful. I also say the same to trailer trash, eurotrash & those inexplicably STUPID white kids that think that acting black is any way to live a life.

In fact I hate even having to call it "acting black bc it's not confined to race & it IS something anyone can fix about themselves. Personally I think if there is still a place for the N word is should be exclusively used to refer to anyone of any race that "acts black" as the term is erroneously understood. "acting black" is insulting to the Black people that act like human beings & the N word should span any person of any race that voluntarily devolves.
If you were so welcoming then why won;t you give a guy with a name like Deshawn a chance?

And if he changed his name to Jake or Chad he would be a different person.

Just because you say the odd liberal or non racist thing it's not like a balancing act. It doesn't take away from the racist statements that you did make.
 

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Many ethnic groups have suffered massive racist discrimination. The Chinese, the Koreans, Latinos, the Irish, Jews, Ukrainians, Italians, Portuguese, etc. Not every law abiding successful perosn in Canada is of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant blue bloodline. Karen Chan who is of British (mother) and Chinese (father) bloodline did a CBC documentary titled 'Gold Mountain" about how the Chinese in Canada overcame discrimination to be one of the most successful ethnic group here. Did you know that Chinese immigrants had to pay the 2012 equivalent of $100,000 as a "head tax" to enter Canada?
Of course, but citing a few examples does not exaplain a trend or example. 'Not every law abiding successful perosn in Canada is of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant blue bloodline,' but they are the majority of them; and more than their demographic numbers suggest. Think of it as 'ethno-nepotism'

The head tax argument actually proves two things. First, sure they paid to get in, but were they brought in as chattel, or were they admitted as immigrants? Also, if they can afford $100,000 to enter, what does that say about their income back home. Not much, perhaps, but something.
 
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