Shooting at Eaton Centre

Rockslinger

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Friends of the deceased were probably already searching for Mr. Husband to kill him. Turning himself in to the police was probably the smartest thing he ever did in his young life.

Why can't "they" confine their shit to Alexandra Park, Jane-Finch and/or Caribana (or whatever it is called now)?
 

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thats the guy who got killed, not the shooter. i'm sure all you racists will be happy to find that christopher husbands, the guy who turned himself in, while being guyanese, was a black man.
A selection of white murders/attempted murderers in the news this past week as well- the white janitor who tried to blow up the high school, and of course Magnotta was arrested in Germany - both white.

I didn't say the pic was the shooter, I posted a link to the Sun which had this picture with the tag 'Shooter arrested' over it. I have however corrected the Sun's mistake by posting the court sketch of the shooter.
 

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A selection of white murders/attempted murderers in the news this past week as well- the white janitor who tried to blow up the high school, and of course Magnotta was arrested in Germany - both white.

I didn't say the pic was the shooter, I posted a link to the Sun which had this picture with the tag 'Shooter arrested' over it. I have however corrected the Sun's mistake by posting the court sketch of the shooter.
thanks for clearing that up.
 

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"The good news is that the shooter isn't Jamaican." - Eternal Optimist

You guys were all so wrong.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Suspect was under house-arrest for sexual assault:

http://www.thestar.com/news/article...er-husbands-changed-by-gangs-father-says?bn=1

Eaton Centre Shooting: Suspect Christopher Husbands ‘changed’ by gangs, father says

Christopher Husbands was a quiet, happy child growing up in Guyana, according to his father. “He was a good guy coming up,” Burchell Husbands says.

But as a teenager living in Regent Park, he started getting into fights, then scrapes with the law.

“I tried to beg him to keep out of trouble,” his father said.

On Monday, police named Christopher Husbands as the suspect in the shooting at the Toronto Eaton Centre that killed one person, wounded six others, and terrified an entire city.

Husbands, 23, faces one count of first-degree murder in the death of Ahmed Hassan, 24, and six counts of attempted murder.

Husbands turned himself into Toronto police's 52 Division at 2:20 a.m. Monday, accompanied by his lawyer. Later that afternoon, he made a brief appearance at Old City Hall.

Investigators believe Husbands, Hassan and a 23-year-old victim who remains in critical condition all had ties to the same gang. But they say Saturday's gunfire was the result of a personal beef.

The attack was not about gang business — “it's about anger and violence,” said Acting Deputy Chief Jeff McGuire.

For Burchell Husbands, the two can't be separated. “Gang changed everything,” he said of his son.

Christopher Husbands immigrated to Toronto in 2000. He lived in Regent Park with his family, attending local public schools. In his mid-teens, his father said, Husbands started getting in fights at school. He was in frequent contact with the law and has faced numerous charges since his 18th birthday, when he moved out of the family home.

In November 2010, he was charged with sexual assault.

At the time of the shooting, Husbands was out on $4,000 bail and under house arrest for the outstanding sex assault charge.


Two months ago, Husbands survived what his father believed was a gang attack by six people when he was stabbed more than 20 times.

He has a 5-year-old daughter with an ex-girlfriend, his father said.

Crown Attorney Mary Humphrey said the defence was consenting to his detention. His lawyer, Susan Von Achten, held up a notepad to shield his face from the media throng packed into the tiny courtroom.

Husbands was ordered not to have contact with any of the living shooting victims. A publication ban was imposed on the proceedings, including those victims' names.

One, a 13-year-old boy who was hit in the head by gunfire, is now alert and talking after what the family called complicated neurosurgery. Four other random mall-goers hit with gunfire have been discharged.

A sixth victim, who is still in critical condition with gunshot wounds to his chest and neck, was allegedly targeted along with the deceased man.

Lead homicide investigator Det. Sgt. Brian Borg said police believe the shooter encountered those two victims by happenstance and “unfortunately in a very bad location.”

Ahmed Hassan died instantly at the scene.

Hassan and his family moved to Toronto in the 1990s to escape Somalia's brutal civil war, according to Mohamed Gilao, director of the Toronto-based Somali settlement services centre Dejinta Beesha.

Gilao said Hassan's father struggled to find stable work and decided to move the family to Edmonton.

While Toronto police have not confirmed the connection, an Ahmed Hassan was facing cocaine trafficking charges in Fort McMurray, Alta. Police here said Hassan was born June 14, 1987, while an Alberta court clerk has the birthdate of the man wanted on trafficking charges registered as April 14, 1987.

The discrepancy could be the result of a filing error, but there is no way of knowing, the clerk said.

A co-accused in the drug charges, 19-year-old Abdinasir Dirie of Toronto, was later found murdered in a Fort McMurray apartment.

According to a family friend who did not want to disclose his name, Hassan had recently returned to Toronto.

He moved in with his grandmother and an aunt at their downtown home.

Husbands will appear in court on June 25 for the sex assault charge.

Toronto police's McGuire said the fact that Husbands broke bail was “frustrating,” but he added that fault lies with the accused and his surety.

“We can't babysit every single one of these,” he said.

The exact conditions of Husbands' house arrest are not yet known but Joseph Neuberger, a Toronto criminal lawyer, said people are typically required to be at their residence 24 hours a day. The exceptions are to and from work, education or if there are any medical emergencies.

Sureties are responsible for those under house arrest. “When people sign on to be a surety, they pledge to supervise,” said Neuberger.

Police emphasized Monday that the investigation is continuing. While they are not looking for other suspects, police believe the two victims were travelling with other people. They are urging anyone with information on the shooting to contact police.

Husbands' next appearance for the Eaton Centre shootings is set for Aug. 15
 

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if your son got convicted would you be ok if they killed him to save $150 a day?
i wouldn't be happy about it but i would need to live by the laws i put in place.

Is it really cheaper to execute someone ? after they can appeal it for years and years, all the time the Justice system has to pay for the lawyer, court fees etc. in addition to the cost of prison.
no appealing. get caught the third time and your done.
 

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if your son got convicted would you be ok if they killed him to save $150 a day?
In reality it costs taxpayers MORE to execute someone, than to keep them in jail for life, on average, due to the much higher legal costs involved in getting to an execution. In addition, as implemented in any democratic country, the death penalty has virtually no deterrent effect. That is because we insist (rightly) on giving the accused every possible avenue of appeal before we execute them, to make damn sure that we got the right guy, and that his crime was as bad as everybody said (no mitigating factors that would reduce the sentence). The problem with that is that if you're contemplating murder, a possible execution is on the other side of 20 years worth of appeals. It's pretty easy to convince yourself that even if caught you'd get it reduced to life on one of your many appeals, and even if not, hey, it's 20 years away. A potential murderer may not see that as being much worse than life in prison.

If the police/courts were to execute the guilty within a few weeks of catching them that would have substantial deterrent effect--but we would also frequently kill innocent people under a system like that.

In the end I think the death penalty does not have much value--if implemented fairly, it has almost no deterrent effect. If implemented to have a good deterrent effect, it isn't likely fair.
 

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i wouldn't be happy about it but i would need to live by the laws i put in place.

no appealing. get caught the third time and your done.
The ultimate 3rd strike rule, which many believe is an outright failure. There is clear cut evidence that too manyinnocent people get found guilty of murder and released late on evidence
 

Phil C. McNasty

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In reality it costs taxpayers MORE to execute someone, than to keep them in jail for life, on average, due to the much higher legal costs involved in getting to an execution. In addition, as implemented in any democratic country, the death penalty has virtually no deterrent effect. That is because we insist (rightly) on giving the accused every possible avenue of appeal before we execute them, to make damn sure that we got the right guy, and that his crime was as bad as everybody said (no mitigating factors that would reduce the sentence). The problem with that is that if you're contemplating murder, a possible execution is on the other side of 20 years worth of appeals. It's pretty easy to convince yourself that even if caught you'd get it reduced to life, and even if not, hey, it's 20 years away. A potential murderer may not see that as being much worse than life in prison.

If the police/courts were to execute the guilty within a few weeks of catching them that would have substantial deterrent effect--but we would also frequently kill innocent people under a system like that.

In the end I think the death penalty does not have much value--if implemented fairly, it has almost no deterrent effect. If implemented to have a good deterrent effect, it isn't likely fair
For once fuji is correct.

The DP does nothing for deterrence (Fla. has one of highest percentage of serial killers), plus it costs less to imprison someone for life.

DP's only purpose is to serve as revenge for the surviving family of the victim
 

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The ultimate 3rd strike rule, which many believe is an outright failure. There is clear cut evidence that too manyinnocent people get found guilty of murder and released late on evidence
oh well. it would put a stop to crime or people hanging around people that commit crime. 3rd time you are caught, no trial, just taken straight to the chair. 100% drop off in crime in 10 years when there is a zero tolerance policy. shit is to easy now and you can play the system way to easy.

no more lawyers or other bullshit, you get caught you go for a year, get the basic food needed to live, no more t.v time or any other shit jail has to offer. you get taught one skill that will help you when you get out. 2nd time you get caught, you get the basics to stay alive and show a few executions to let you know your future. 3rd time straight to the chair. no exceptions, no appeals.
 

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For once fuji is correct.

The DP does nothing for deterrence (Fla. has one of highest percentage of serial killers), plus it costs less to imprison someone for life.

DP only purpose is to serve as revenge for the surviving family of the victim
he is right if you stay using the incredibly flawed favour the convict system.
 

simon482

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As opposed to an incredibly flawed system that puts innocent people in jail and or worse?
people would be more inclined to avoid situations or people that would get them put in harms way. your way wastes money and gives convicts rights they don't deserve. more rights than the victim in fact.
 
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