They don't care. Sort of points out the mentality there- selfish little brats some would say.
Quebec Student Protest
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Some would...
Others would view it as a hopeful sign that after 25+ years of being told to 'accept less and adapt' in most of the North America that some people are still capable of putting up a sustained fuss. Conveniently enough, these are the folks that are being designated to eat the biggest shit sandwich, so good for them (given that I'm not all that far removed from them).
Umm, so you're saying that the Quebecois in pre-Quiet Revoltion Quebec didn't have legitimate grievances? Or that the Quiet Revolution didn't achieve a fairly broad pan-Quebec consensus on the elements of Quebec society that many citizens of Quebec (Anglo and Franco) are willing to defend? Have I got news for you... (Mostly that the internal unpopularity of the protests mirrors that of the inconvenience of the Toronto Garbage strike, not necessarily a disagreement with the cause.)
What exactly are they accepting less of? Try reading Quebec newspapers or watching the tv news and you'll see what the locals are thinking of the protestors; $200 million and counting is not an inconvenience. The F1 is in the next few weeks, bringing a large junk of cash to the area.
I think that all the protestors should need to obtain a protest permit.
Free of charge.
But they have to be willing to be photographed and carry an ID badge (just like the cops). Fair is fair.
Better yet, make the information public on a website so future employers can check out to see if potential hires were in school, or rioting over 75 cents a day.
Free of charge.
But they have to be willing to be photographed and carry an ID badge (just like the cops). Fair is fair.
Better yet, make the information public on a website so future employers can check out to see if potential hires were in school, or rioting over 75 cents a day.
LOL-- I am at fault for that. I'm at home for a couple of days, and have been up way too long, and I'm getting punchy. I'm working on a personal project and posting. A bad combo. Honestly sorry on that count. If you think my posts are bad you should see the current quality of my source code.
Oh, given the context the 'anti camp' would be the anti-protest camp. You basically said the same thing in the paragraph above your question about my use of anti (but worded it FAR better despite different conclusions). My bad.
Fair enough. I hear there is a real bad code going around, be careful.
For many generations, Quebec society has been a society of protest and demonstrations. As of result of it being a union province or being a union province because of this mentality, is something I'm not clear. It just takes a longer time to use up public credit as a demonstration, but it does and will happen if they keep going the way they are. The protests have morphed into something different then when it started.
Just imagine thousands of lines of:
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I'd be more apt to go with having a whole Nation that had a major civil rights struggle withing living memory. You can't really compare that to even the modern gay rights movement. Effective long term mass mobilization requires a population with the 'memory of' and 'skills for' effective long term mass mobilization.
It would be hard to do the same in Ontario (in particular), despite a relatively high unionization rate. Relatively easy in BC (lots of environmentalists and lots of unions). Dreadful in Alberta. Someplace in the middle in most other places in Canada.
Gesundheit!Just imagine thousands of lines of:
Expecting to make a public release near the end of summer. For free (under the GPL 3) because I'm an evil socialist. There are good reasons why I don't let myself do geek things for a couple of days a week minimum.Code:[B]def draw_cur_selected_active(self): '''Draw the active version of the currently selected widget.''' if self.widgets_list[self.cur_active].can_be_active == True: self.widgets_list[self.cur_active].draw_active()[/B]
I'd be more apt to go with having a whole Nation that had a major civil rights struggle withing living memory. You can't really compare that to even the modern gay rights movement. Effective long term mass mobilization requires a population with the 'memory of' and 'skills for' effective long term mass mobilization.
It would be hard to do the same in Ontario (in particular), despite a relatively high unionization rate. Relatively easy in BC (lots of environmentalists and lots of unions). Dreadful in Alberta. Someplace in the middle in most other places in Canada.
I'm not comparing it to the civil rights movement of the 60'. It's not even close. I'm not against the recognition of Quebec's distinct status, but have trouble with the nation status and it gets me in big trouble with some of the in laws, believe me.
Quebec and BC are the biggest union provinces and you are correct in your thinking on that.
Had a funny conversation with a Montreal cabbie on Wednesday... he asked if I'd read about the protests (I said I had), he asked how much it costs to go to University in the US (I told him about 10K for tuition in state at a State school), I asked him what people in Quebec thought of the protesters.... he said 2/3 thought they were wrong and spoiled, 1/3 agreed with them.... he then said they should be arrested... I asked if perhaps a better solution was either they attend class or be un-enrolled and their slots are given to new students next year.... he seemed to like that idea.
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Of course you have no idea what you think is wrong with what i posted, you just like the sound of your keyboard.Possum Trot said:
I'm just conveying the historical context that makes this issue so much more contentious than just a cost question. Many of those protesting see it not so much as a financial hardship as an ideological betrayal.
You'll note too I didn't say whether I agree or disagree with them, just that the debate here on terb has been from a very anglophone perspective and overlooked the Quebecois nationalist / ideological aspect of this issue.
When you roll back one of the historic foundational concepts of the quiet revolution, some people are bound to be angry, even if it's only over symbolism.
Clearly not a statistically significant sample but Montreal is the city where cabbies love to talk politics... very funny.
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Here is an editorial from the Guardian:
In praise of … Pierre Bourdieu | Editorial
Thursday 24 May 2012
His analysis of the role of education in the reproduction of social inequality challenges Nick Clegg's belief that he was 'lucky' in life
Pierre Bourdieu's analysis of the role of education in the reproduction of social inequality challenges Nick Clegg's belief that he was "lucky" in life. Luck, says the French sociologist, has nothing to do with it. Just 10 years after his death, Mr Bourdieu's work is already a classic to rank alongside Foucault or Lacan. The recent publication of his courses at the Collège de France has put his name back into the headlines. In contrast to those who trumpet self-determination, Mr Bourdieu focuses on the forces which shape an individual. If Mr Clegg really wants to "factor social mobility into the education system", he must recognise that the difference between success and failure is not luck but the ways in which social inequalities repeat themselves. The role of government is to break this vicious circle not to reinforce it. The drastic shrinking of the state is hardly the way to remedy what Mr Clegg called an absolute scandal.
For those interested there is more on sociology of education here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology_of_education
In praise of … Pierre Bourdieu | Editorial
Thursday 24 May 2012
His analysis of the role of education in the reproduction of social inequality challenges Nick Clegg's belief that he was 'lucky' in life
Pierre Bourdieu's analysis of the role of education in the reproduction of social inequality challenges Nick Clegg's belief that he was "lucky" in life. Luck, says the French sociologist, has nothing to do with it. Just 10 years after his death, Mr Bourdieu's work is already a classic to rank alongside Foucault or Lacan. The recent publication of his courses at the Collège de France has put his name back into the headlines. In contrast to those who trumpet self-determination, Mr Bourdieu focuses on the forces which shape an individual. If Mr Clegg really wants to "factor social mobility into the education system", he must recognise that the difference between success and failure is not luck but the ways in which social inequalities repeat themselves. The role of government is to break this vicious circle not to reinforce it. The drastic shrinking of the state is hardly the way to remedy what Mr Clegg called an absolute scandal.
For those interested there is more on sociology of education here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology_of_education
