$15000 per employee tax on incalls

[afterhours]

I agree that $15K is unreasonable. Whatever the price will be, it will be passed over to the consumers though.

 

[GPIDEAL]

So looks like they want to be the only pimps in town.

Exactly. They don't charge by the employee now, so WTF? It's a dangerous precedent.

[Edit: Oops they do charge taxi drivers, exotic dancers and MPAs right? Still, $15K a pop is nuts. But it's probably still feasible for established/large operators.]

 

[GPIDEAL]

I agree that you can generally dictate the local hourly for an escort by the local hourly a lawyer charges. The difference is that a lawyer can bill for every single hour he works per day as an escort can't. We do not have the option of being paid for 8 or 10 hours a day because to put 8 calls a day thru would require about 14-20 hours invested and the 8 hours spent with guests could only be sustained for short periods of time. You try fucking for 8 hours a day/5 days a week/ 50 weeks of the year. It's not humanely possible. Our clients don't sign on for a retainer of $3500 and then continue for another $25 000 until the case is finished. We don't have interns that do the brunt of the labor for us with the SP just showing up in court or at mediation for a couple of hours. Lawyers can opt to work for or partner in firms which we don't have the privilege of doing. Lawyers also have a career that can span 30yrs or more. Here on TERB, we are washed up and undesirable at 30.



We most certainly can and will willingly by licenses that are income appropriate.

cat

Lawyers and accountants can't always bill for every single hour. It has to be 'chargeable' or productive. It's possible though in large firms (especially if they have a day trial or annual audit of a large enterprise, respectively).

But I get your drift. Sex workers are not machines. However, Mammoliti figures, even if you gross $1,000 per day, that's only 15 days out of even say, 250, to pay a license, however, I strongly disagree with his idea. It's outrageous.

 

[GPIDEAL]

My hairdresser and I sat down once and compared numbers. He is also a independent who works from home. Our yearly income is comparable; our overhead is as well. Why should I pay an extra $15 000 after I pay my income tax when other service providers don't? That is ludicrous and will simply keep women from conforming. I will gladly pay for a license, respect zoning restrictions and continue to pay my income tax (which I bury nothing). Penalizing us further will backfire. This simply shows the ignorance at hand with those that hold the power...
cat

Perhaps not just ignorance, but definitely exploitation.

A large operator or SPs will pay income taxes and even realty taxes on say, a licensed brothel if it comes to that, not different than any other commercial enterprise. I can appreciate a license that must take into account higher, initial regulatory costs, but $15,000 sounds rich.

 

[afterhours]

the Bar Association or LSUC (whichever one it its) acts not only as a regulatory body but and educational authority, putting on courses, representing the industry, providing many publications and other member benefits that are of use to lawyers. What Mamoliti appears to be proposing has none of those benefits.

LSUC provides about as many benefits to lawyers as Revenue Canada to taxpayers. No, strike that, Revenue does provide benefits to the poor. LSUC provides fuck all.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Well, some business licenses are more expensive than others. Lawyers pay several thousands a year to law society and several thousands in insurance. And they charge per hour about as much as SPs charge. Their overhead is about 50%. Their income is generally reported.
Sex workers income is likely not reported or grossly underreported. They should be able to afford some kind of licensing.

Lawyers or accountants don't pay the City a business license. Those fees are paid to their professional associations since they are self-governing institutions.

A construction company can gross hundreds of thousands if not millions, and only have to pay a renovators license to the City for a few hundred bucks.

This $15000 is arbitrary!

 

[mcKaos]

I agree that you can generally dictate the local hourly for an escort by the local hourly a lawyer charges. The difference is that a lawyer can bill for every single hour he works per day as an escort can't. We do not have the option of being paid for 8 or 10 hours a day because to put 8 calls a day thru would require about 14-20 hours invested and the 8 hours spent with guests could only be sustained for short periods of time. You try fucking for 8 hours a day/5 days a week/ 50 weeks of the year. It's not humanely possible. Our clients don't sign on for a retainer of $3500 and then continue for another $25 000 until the case is finished. We don't have interns that do the brunt of the labor for us with the SP just showing up in court or at mediation for a couple of hours. Lawyers can opt to work for or partner in firms which we don't have the privilege of doing. Lawyers also have a career that can span 30yrs or more. Here on TERB, we are washed up and undesirable at 30.



We most certainly can and will willingly by licenses that are income appropriate.

cat

I agree with you, this kind of license would not stand. This City Councillor is well known for his over the top rhetoric and is generally ignored by all except the Toronto Sun.

Now as for being washed up at 30, I really have to say that some of my best sessions were with women over 30.

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

Lawyers and accountants can't always bill for every single hour. It has to be 'chargeable' or productive. It's possible though in large firms (especially if they have a day trial or annual audit of a large enterprise, respectively).

But I get your drift. Sex workers are not machines. However, Mammoliti figures, even if you gross $1,000 per day, that's only 15 days out of even say, 250, to pay a license, however, I strongly disagree with his idea. It's outrageous.

Having spent well over $250G's US to lawyers because the legal issues of my profession, I know exactly how they bill for their time and they can easily justify 8 hours a day to several respective clients at once. To put it simply, there is no industry like ours to compare it to. Taxi drivers perhaps but still not truly comparable.

I gross is no where near $1000/day and given the transient nature of guests in this industry, independents may work more than 250 days with only clients on half of those. We sit ready and wait for the phone to ring, but that doesn't guarantee it will. Lower end girls may run 2 appointments a day and still only gross $1500 for the week. We still have our daily overhead to pay and monthly cycles to accomodate. Even when I worked for an agency, I could realistically only work 16 days a month due to my monthly cycle and we were never guaranteed income even if we showed up religiously.

A simple, stuctured licensing fee for indies, co-op and brothels is what is needed.

cat

 

[GPIDEAL]

I agree with you, this kind of license would not stand. This City Councillor is well known for his over the top rhetoric and is generally ignored by all except the Toronto Sun.

Now as for being washed up at 30, I really have to say that some of my best sessions were with women over 30.

Here, here on all your points!

BTW, and further to what 4Tees clarified, can the City impose a 'tax' other than a license or realty tax without official changes to its by-laws? Are there restrictions?

 

[afterhours]

fuji, is that you? Not only are you factually incorrect, your argument is illogical and off-topic and it proves my point - three classic fuji-isms.

Whether or not we agree/disagree that LSUC provides benefits or not, what Mammoliti is proposing DOES NOT provide benefits for $15,000 and is thus too expensive - right?

regulator is not going to provide meaningful benefits to the members of profession, but may well provide benefits to the public. Maybe $15K will pay for medical check ups or criminal records check-ups or I don't know what else the public may want from SPs.

The number seems to be too high, but that's how any bargaining starts.

By the way I was the first one who said that if this shit gets legalized it's us jones who will pay through the nose in the end of the day.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Having spent well over $250G's US to lawyers because the legal issues of my profession, I know exactly how they bill for their time and they can easily justify 8 hours a day to several respective clients at once. To put it simply, there is no industry like ours to compare it to. Taxi drivers perhaps but still not truly comparable.

I gross is no where near $1000/day and given the transient nature of guests in this industry, independents may work more than 250 days with only clients on half of those. We sit ready and wait for the phone to ring, but that doesn't guarantee it will. Lower end girls may run 2 appointments a day and still only gross $1500 for the week. We still have our daily overhead to pay and monthly cycles to accomodate. Even when I worked for an agency, I could realistically only work 16 days a month due to my monthly cycle and we were never guaranteed income even if we showed up religiously.

A simple, stuctured licensing fee for indies, co-op and brothels is what is needed.

cat

Yes, it's possible for a lawyer in a law firm to charge 8 hours per day, but it depends on the case or nature of the work, and size of firm. I get a time docket from a national firm and it's a quarter hour here, ten minutes there, to respond to correspondence, etc. but they have to have the actual work to do so. They're not always at full capacity (certainly not with me unless it's a trial or appeal on my behalf), especially smaller firms or sole practitioners.

I would agree with you too that you may not be doing $1,000 a day (that was hypothetical). There's a lot of competition. Sometimes a girl may be more popular in one week cuz of a positive review, and dead in another once her popularity has peaked. So yeah, there are dry spells for you ladies, I'm sure. I've heard my fave say that her visit to a part of town 'was a bust'.

But Mammoliti will use extreme cases as the foundation of his policy. (Example, I do know of an MPA who's made $200K if not more in a year. Also, when you see an MPA drive a full-loaded LandRover, people are going to think they are making $250K a year, when it could be much less, especially if they're not paying any taxes.)

 

[MissCroft]

I see the proposed 15K tax as a punishment for being in the trade, quite frankly.

I agree. It sort of sounds like "You want to be a prostitute? Okay, you have to pay us 15 thousand dollars." I don't work nearly as often as some other SPs and I already pay taxes. Not to mention that so many SPs already have other expenses like advertising, incall locations, transportation.... I'm primarily outcall and cabs are expensive these days. I've gone to 1 hour appointments where I was making $250 but the cab (round-trip) cost me like $100. If that happened to be my only appointment that day that's not a lot of money. A waitress in a busy restaurant makes more than that and she would not be charged $15,000 to do so.

 

[fuji]

fuji, is that you? Not only are you factually incorrect, your argument is illogical and off-topic and it proves my point - three classic fuji-isms.

Whether or not we agree/disagree that LSUC provides benefits or not, what Mammoliti is proposing DOES NOT provide benefits for $15,000 and is thus too expensive - right?

Huh? You're out to lunch. In my post #18 I said pretty much the same thing you wrote in post #26.

 

[Yoga Face]

we are washed up and undesirable at 30.

So you should be paid enough to retire at 30 ?

When going into the SP business it is your job to expect reduced income upon aging and react accordingly by having an alternative plan for income

 

[afterhours]

we are washed up and undesirable at 30.

So you should be paid enough to retire at 30 ?

When going into the SP business it is your job to expect reduced income upon aging and react accordingly by having an alternative plan for income

alternative plan:

 

[larry]

of course, mamoliti is talking silly. but he's setting the ground-works for something. the fee may be high. it's another sin tax. some will eventually wish they hadn't fought for licensing. or maybe that was the intent.

 

[GG2]

You reap what you sow. All those that pushed for this biz to be recognized and 'legitimized' will get their just desserts.

 

[Jennifer_]

I think this is a good idea. My whole life i've been paying taxes and doing everything by the book, meanwhile other individuals have been evading taxes. This isnt going to be a popular stance on here but that 15,000$ will probably be the only "tax" any one in this business would actually pay, everyone knows that this is a cash business...

I'm sorry to break it to you - but if girls who work in this industry are heavily-taxed - we will either raise our prices or find other work.

End of story

I pay taxes - anyone with half a brain pays some taxes.... I paid taxes on my full-earnings before I entered this little world. Now I pay some - but the fact that I pay "some" is why I'm dong what I do for the price I'm doing it. My salary was decent before I found "this" - and I know I'm capable of earning a respectable income without this.... a big part of why we do what we do is because we are compensated to a degree that we are comfortable with.

A 1500 dollar tax would certainly be enough to motivate me to find a different line of work.

I've had real jobs - the majority of those who are respected in this industry are capable of handling "real jobs". If I do a cost-benefit analysis and the cost of doing what I do doesn't favour doing what I do - I won't do it.....

I like what I do... but I certainly sacrifice a lot to do it. I'm sorry that some dislike the fact that those who do what I do make a little money.... but those of us who have skills beyond the bare minimum that is required to work in this little world would not do it if we weren't earning enough to make it worthwhile......

 

[DELETDrileydaniels]

Windsor and Edmonth have liscensing fees for escorts they are about under $300 i found of the application forms for windsor online once. those fees aren't ridiculous I don't like the fact you have to advertise with your liscence number. $15k not every SP makes that much they have no idea what we really do and coming in with this punisher stants is really putting a bad taste in my mouth.

I didn't like in the article how they are claiming to go on and have a coucil meeting and clearly excluding the sex workers they want to control and determine our lives. they already ruined our lives by the laws they had before that we had to fight to get struck down. and now they want to come in and punish us even more for speaking up.

I left minimum wage paying jobs because I felt like I wasn't being paid for what I was worth and with this idea of paying $15k its showing me more that I am not worth anything.

 

[fuji]

Actually, I am at lunch now. No - on this particular topic we do agree, and I have indeed noticed we are espousing the same opinion.

What I was saying, however, is that the poster has taken a page out of the book of how you argue. I was not commenting on your position on this issue directly, just how you tend to make a point is all.

I see, so since you can't win debates with me head on, you've stooped to pretending that you're debating me when really you're debating afterhours. Let me know how that works out for you, and if it helps you feel any better.