$15000 per employee tax on incalls

[MissCroft]

If there is a 15k charge to be an escort, I think everyone can say goodbye to the young university students who do it temporarily to put themselves through school. Tuition is already very expensive.... I don't see how some of them could afford the fee.

What about outcalls? If the indy lady does outcalls only would she be subject to this tax? Or maybe a different tax?

I'm wondering the same thing. Outcalls have been legal for a very long time and there has been no special tax. Don't see how they could impose it now. (?)

 

[GG2]

If prostitition is legalized with SPs paying tax and leaving a paper trail, I'll give up hobbying. Legalizing may make it acceptable in law but not socially or ethically.

Travel to hobby or invest in a robot:

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/04/18/researchers-claim-sex-robots-will-be-future-of-sex-tourism/

 

[MissCroft]

I don't mean to sound snide, but let's see:
- The same way GST was imposed 20 years ago
- The same way the Ontario Government levied a "Health Tax" on us a few years ago
- The same way they put a ton of environmental taxes on things (not that those are bad taxes, but the govt would use the same argument for this tax)
- The same way they they have increased some taxes under HST
- The same way they force us to pay taxes on services they mandate us to get like clean emission tests
- The same way that if you pay a speeding ticket you are charged a "Victim impact fee"

You do have a point there.

 

[GG2]

First you wanted government involvement to protect the poor victimized hookers from the big bad clients, and now that your wish seems to be coming true, you're running around like a chicken with its head cut off. lol

These may be the Golden Years of pooning in the GTA so soak it up while you can. The hobbying scene as it we know it today might go the way of the dinosaur. Just as the Elders used to tell me about the days when there were strip joints on every corner in the downtown core, and when gangsters ruled the gambling business in Las Vegas, I'll some day be able to tell stories about the pooning scene in Toronto's glory days.

We'll all be huddled around a campfire roasting marshmellows on a warm summer night and the kids will ask, "Oldman, tell us more stories about hobbying back in your days."

"Oohhh kids, back in my time, the roads were paved with pussy. For a buck fifty you could have the finest 20something hooker give ya the Rusty Trombone, and for a generous tip, even the Alaskan Pipeline. It was all fun and everybody was a winner. We knew how good we had it compared to other places like the US. But the Elders didn't see it that way. The Elders inside and outside the pooning world launched campaigns in the name of saving protecting the poor innocent hookers from the big bad clients. We tried to tell them, to warn them that they were wrong and that their effots would be the ruin of the industry. We tried to tell them that there would be fewer hookers in the future so less women could make money the only way they knew how, and therefore there would also be less pussy available for pooners. But they wouldn't listen. Luckily I enjoyed a good 10 years of non-stop poonage of the likes you kids will never know."

 

[oldjones]

we are washed up and undesirable at 30.

So you should be paid enough to retire at 30 ?

When going into the SP business it is your job to expect reduced income upon aging and react accordingly by having an alternative plan for income

And if the plan includes an overall price that provides for retirement at a given age, like the plan of any CEO who negociates a pension, then—again, just like the CEO—the only issue is convincing her market that she's worth the price.

For some reason this board has a large population of folks who say they support free markets but then leap to post that so-and-so's price—be it for gasoline, sex, driving a bus or whatever—'shouldn't be so high'. Who says? In a free market, isn't the only adult response, "I won't pay that". Or, to be helpful, "You'll have trouble getting business at that price, I think".

But I suppose there's nothing about a free market that actually requires adult responses, is there?

 

[afterhours]

First you wanted government involvement to protect the poor victimized hookers from the big bad clients, and now that your wish seems to be coming true, you're running around like a chicken with its head cut off. lol

These may be the Golden Years of pooning in the GTA so soak it up while you can. The hobbying scene as it we know it today might go the way of the dinosaur. Just as the Elders used to tell me about the days when there were strip joints on every corner in the downtown core, and when gangsters ruled the gambling business in Las Vegas, I'll some day be able to tell stories about the pooning scene in Toronto's glory days.

We'll all be huddled around a campfire roasting marshmellows on a warm summer night and the kids will ask, "Oldman, tell us more stories about hobbying back in your days."

"Oohhh kids, back in my time, the roads were paved with pussy. For a buck fifty you could have the finest 20something hooker give ya the Rusty Trombone, and for a generous tip, even the Alaskan Pipeline. It was all fun and everybody was a winner. We knew how good we had it compared to other places like the US. But the Elders didn't see it that way. The Elders inside and outside the pooning world launched campaigns in the name of saving protecting the poor innocent hookers from the big bad clients. We tried to tell them, to warn them that they were wrong and that their effots would be the ruin of the industry. We tried to tell them that there would be fewer hookers in the future so less women could make money the only way they knew how, and therefore there would also be less pussy available for pooners. But they wouldn't listen. Luckily I enjoyed a good 10 years of non-stop poonage of the likes you kids will never know."

+1
after the government is through with this, 50yo SPs are gonna charge $300 per half hour (out of which $250 will go for licensing, taxes and CPP).

 

[Greek Monique *retired]

It's a ploy to change it from "illegal" to impractical... I know I'm on the home stretch to retirement this may just push it even quicker... It's just a different way if deterring incalls

 

[frankcastle]

all I'm really saying is we all use and enjoy the services taxes provide and I feel everyone should contribute. call me a socialist i guess. I can see the sp perspective, that being no one is enforcing the payment of taxes so why would you do it (Warren Buffet has a similar view). In the same situation I would be tempted to do the same but as someone that does have to pay I do feel it is a little unfair. I apologize to people feeling I have provided an "us vs. them" situation with my comment. I believe the sp is a noble profession as it provides happiness and relief for many. But i don't think paying taxes should be seen as a consequence for making I imagine to be a fairly lucrative employment choice. anyway i believe any form of taxation on this is a pipe dream anyway.

So they should pay income tax plus 15K on top? How is that fair?

 

[sharpbloke]

So they should pay income tax plus 15K on top? How is that fair?

no i think it should be geared toward income plus a small business license fee such as the one Riley mentioned earlier in the thread, i think she said $300 is the going rate in other areas. that's the only equitable way in my mind. if a girl makes 10k/yr well that's very little money. if a girl makes 50k she should have to pay the going rate. i also realize this is not likely to happen due to the social stigma associated with the whole industry, people don't want any kind of paper trail.

Now to those who wholly disagree with me well, what is fair? Is it fair how it is now? where people in the cash industries (not just sp's as other's have mentioned) pay significantly less than the average taxpayer while making a living?

anyway my post is a bit off topic as the original was about the 15k per employee fee. But when I read about how some sp's say they are paying taxes I really just wanted to know how much as "fair" to me is the going rate that anyone making an income has to pay.

 

[MattRoxx]

First you wanted government involvement to protect the poor victimized hookers from the big bad clients, and now that your wish seems to be coming true, you're running around like a chicken with its head cut off. lol

Who is the "you" in this statement? The argument in the court case was not at all for "government involvement to protect the hookers", it was that the Criminal Code was in conflict with the Charter of Rights. Instead of making up stories while sitting around a campfire you should read about the actual court case.

Bedford v. Canada was a legal challenge to Canada's prostitution laws. [1][2][3] The applicants, Terri-Jean Bedford, Amy Lebovitch and Valerie Scott, argued that Canada's prostitution laws were unconstitutional.[4] The Criminal Code of Canada includes a number of provisions outlawing public communication for the purposes of prostitution, operating a bawdy house or living off of the avails of prostitution. However, prostitution itself is legal. The applicants argued that the laws deprive sex workers of their right to security by forcing them to work in secret.[4] In 2012, the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled that some, but not all of these prohibitions violated the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and were unconstitutional.

It's a ploy to change it from "illegal" to impractical... I know I'm on the home stretch to retirement this may just push it even quicker... It's just a different way if deterring incalls

Yes, and it was uttered by dim lackey Giorgio Mammoliti, a man obsessed with the sex trade but with little actual power to get this (or anything else) enacted by the city's councilors.
Even the comments in The Sun are complaining about him and his ignorance in this matter.

 

[Cobra Enorme]

I think this is a good idea. My whole life i've been paying taxes and doing everything by the book, meanwhile other individuals have been evading taxes. This isnt going to be a popular stance on here but that 15,000$ will probably be the only "tax" any one in this business would actually pay, everyone knows that this is a cash business...

exactly. prostitutes get paid in cash and the country will get nothing out of 'taxing' it. They should lose 50% like I do at my job. If these girls make $200,000 per year, the license should be $100,000.

 

[peter4025]

exactly. prostitutes get paid in cash and the country will get nothing out of 'taxing' it. They should lose 50% like I do at my job. If these girls make $200,000 per year, the license should be $100,000.

Don't we have RCA for that. I thought that this agency is responsible for collecting income tax. Licensing fee should be a more realistic amount, lets say $1000 a year.

 

[TeasePlease]

Dude is confusing a business license with income tax.

This is uncharted waters. They could put regulation under provincial regulation (like alternative holistic medicine). Somehow, I don't think that they will let industry regulation sit with each municipality. So, Toronto may just be talking out of its ass. We can maintain business license control, but industry may be put under provincial oversight.

 

[wigglee]

I agree that $15K is unreasonable. Whatever the price will be, it will be passed over to the consumers though.

!5 k is ridiculous and will just drive the business underground again. There is no justification for this other than as a "sin tax" and that is just bullshit spewed by desperate , hypocritical politicians.

The councillors should be taxed 20 k for the opportunity to take all that bribe money from the developers.

 

[fmahovalich]

Here is some math.

lets say a SP realistically work 4 days a week.

for easy numbers 200 days.

Assuming they are pocketing $200 per client ( the smart ones do - no agency, no pimp, have incall)

That is $40,000 per client / yr.

It would take 3 clients a day - and a girl could make 120,000/ yr.


if that's the case 15 k is reasonable. All others could be prorated.

Why...cause plumbers pay for tools, union dues, licensing etc.

and furthermore...many girls will no doubt be bringing in untaxed dollars.

So in effect 15k would be decent 'tax'....( I know it's not a tax..but a licence) but still, the SP citizens would then be contributing for roads, transit, schools, infrastructure. Etc.

 

[Cobra Enorme]

these girls will all declare nothing. That is millions of tax revenue our country wont get further giving us more potholes and my property tax getting raised yet again. fuck that.