$15000 per employee tax on incalls

MattRoxx

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Mams also thinks a casino would provide jobs for 10,000 single mothers. If the casino pays a $15,000 licensing fee for each of those gaming trade workers, the city will be pulling in $150,000,000 per year!
 

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If a Bunny Ranch comes to Toronto, you just know Mammoliti and some of his cohorts from the House of Lancaster tour of a few years back will be the first ones to conduct a "safety" inspection.
 

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If prostitition is legalized with SPs paying tax and leaving a paper trail, I'll give up hobbying. Legalizing may make it acceptable in law but not socially or ethically.
 

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If you can't bust 'em because prostitution is legal, then this will let them bust them for tax evasion... Clever really... :(
 
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My hairdresser and I sat down once and compared numbers. He is also a independent who works from home. Our yearly income is comparable; our overhead is as well. Why should I pay an extra $15 000 after I pay my income tax when other service providers don't? That is ludicrous and will simply keep women from conforming. I will gladly pay for a license, respect zoning restrictions and continue to pay my income tax (which I bury nothing). Penalizing us further will backfire. This simply shows the ignorance at hand with those that hold the power...

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My hairdresser and I sat down once and compared numbers. He is also a independent who works from home. Our yearly income is comparable; our overhead is as well. Why should I pay an extra $15 000 after I pay my income tax when other service providers don't? That is ludicrous and will simply keep women from conforming. I will gladly pay for a license, respect zoning restrictions and continue to pay my income tax (which I bury nothing). Penalizing us further will backfire. This simply shows the ignorance at hand with those that hold the power...
it's not after, it's before
 

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it's not after, it's before
Her point is unchanged. I don't have to pay $15000 per year to do my job in Toronto. I just pay my property taxes and my income taxes like everybody else. A business license costs a few hundred bucks at most. Why should sex workers be any different?
 

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I think this is a good idea. My whole life i've been paying taxes and doing everything by the book, meanwhile other individuals have been evading taxes. This isnt going to be a popular stance on here but that 15,000$ will probably be the only "tax" any one in this business would actually pay, everyone knows that this is a cash business...
 

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Her point is unchanged. I don't have to pay $15000 per year to do my job in Toronto. I just pay my property taxes and my income taxes like everybody else. A business license costs a few hundred bucks at most. Why should sex workers be any different?
Maybe because you actually pay income tax, and if you dont there is a way to track what you made and revenue canada will rip you a new asshole. Meanwhile there is no way to track how much money is made in this profession and lets not kid outselves a lot of tax evasion goes on
 

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I think this is a good idea. My whole life i've been paying taxes and doing everything by the book, meanwhile other individuals have been evading taxes. This isnt going to be a popular stance on here but that 15,000$ will probably be the only "tax" any one in this business would actually pay, everyone knows that this is a cash business...
If they get a non refundable income tax *credit* for it, I'm fine with that. However, I think the same principle should be applied to all cash businesses, why single out SPs? Construction contractors, etc., should equally be hit with a large fee to ply their trade, which should be credited against their income tax so that anybody who reports honestly is unaffected.
 

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Her point is unchanged. I don't have to pay $15000 per year to do my job in Toronto. I just pay my property taxes and my income taxes like everybody else. A business license costs a few hundred bucks at most. Why should sex workers be any different?
It shouldn't be any different but it is. For the vocal, politically active minority (or is it more than that) being a prostitute is WAY different than being a cabbie or a contractor or whatever other "legitimate" job you want to name. Whether the sex workers pay their taxes or not, the vocal opposition will continue to control the agenda.
 

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Her point is unchanged. I don't have to pay $15000 per year to do my job in Toronto. I just pay my property taxes and my income taxes like everybody else. A business license costs a few hundred bucks at most. Why should sex workers be any different?
Well, some business licenses are more expensive than others. Lawyers pay several thousands a year to law society and several thousands in insurance. And they charge per hour about as much as SPs charge. Their overhead is about 50%. Their income is generally reported.
Sex workers income is likely not reported or grossly underreported. They should be able to afford some kind of licensing.
 

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Well, lawyers pay several thousands a year to law society and several thousands in insurance. And they charge per hour about as much as SPs charge.
That's because a bad lawyer can do a heck of a lot of harm, like any other profession. So they have a professional standards body to ensure they adhere to their code of conduct, and they have insurance to pay out people that the bad apples screw over. The insurance and the professional society are not there simply because they make too much money. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the potential to wreck people's lives and businesses if they don't do their job properly, or if they behave maliciously.

The same cannot be said of sex work. About the only risk you face dealing with a prostitute is communicable diseases, and you can protect YOURSELF well enough against those by using condoms.
 
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I think this is a good idea. My whole life i've been paying taxes and doing everything by the book, meanwhile other individuals have been evading taxes. This isnt going to be a popular stance on here but that 15,000$ will probably be the only "tax" any one in this business would actually pay, everyone knows that this is a cash business...
With all due respect, I beg to differ. Most of the SPs I know pay taxes religiously. Otherwise we can't live on the gird, buy houses, cars, have credit cards or invest for our retirement. Yes, there are many young part timers who blow in and out of the industry (no pun intended) and it's a cash grab but for those of us who have made this a career, paying taxes is a must; cash business or not. Many of our part time professionals would be forced to operate illegally as they don't make $15 000/yr doing this, it's a secondary income.

The stereotype that is promoted by the media of girls bringing in thousands a week is truly a myth. I have been in this industry for 25 years and can count on one hand the number of providers who can do that consistently over several months, let alone years. Unfortunately, we are so isolated that there are no accurate figures to present to government on how many of us there are, what our financial situation is and what would be fair licensing fees. Even if the numbers were available, I doubt they would be able to reconcile the reality with the myth they chose to believe. They will create an entirely new "black market" and again the women will pay the price for their ignorance as we always do.

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If the Feds don't change the law (which they will) I can't see a license being that high without running into restraint of trade legislation. You can't price someone out of an industry and this would. Do I see a very large fee on the Agency, yeah you bet. As for unreported income, I will bet you that anyone registered will come under the kind of microscope that other unreported income industries (restaurants, police pay duties etc) in fact I think the CRA will start averaging what they think the income should be.

The 15K registration fee by an SP would be counter productive. Considering the risks that an SP faces today the preference would be no fee just register so that it becomes known what industry they are in ... something the Police want so they can better protect the workers in the industry from abuse. Also the CRA would want them registered for obvious reasons.
 
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Well, some business licenses are more expensive than others. Lawyers pay several thousands a year to law society and several thousands in insurance. And they charge per hour about as much as SPs charge. Their overhead is about 50%. Their income is generally reported..
I agree that you can generally dictate the local hourly for an escort by the local hourly a lawyer charges. The difference is that a lawyer can bill for every single hour he works per day as an escort can't. We do not have the option of being paid for 8 or 10 hours a day because to put 8 calls a day thru would require about 14-20 hours invested and the 8 hours spent with guests could only be sustained for short periods of time. You try fucking for 8 hours a day/5 days a week/ 50 weeks of the year. It's not humanely possible. Our clients don't sign on for a retainer of $3500 and then continue for another $25 000 until the case is finished. We don't have interns that do the brunt of the labor for us with the SP just showing up in court or at mediation for a couple of hours. Lawyers can opt to work for or partner in firms which we don't have the privilege of doing. Lawyers also have a career that can span 30yrs or more. Here on TERB, we are washed up and undesirable at 30.

Sex workers income is likely not reported or grossly underreported. They should be able to afford some kind of licensing.
We most certainly can and will willingly by licenses that are income appropriate.

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