Yes he did. He elicited a ridiculous comment from you.
Maybe he hasn't done enough, but to say "nothing good" is idiotic.
Toronto Maple Leafs 2011/12
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Maybe he hasn't done enough, but to say "nothing good" is idiotic.
what has he done? He has loaded us on those big contracts, giving away draft picks. People think the Kessel deal is good.
We gave up 2 high quality draft picks for him, and paying a Kessel salary that is getting us no playoffs.
Not to mention Komisarek and Grabovski ugly contract.
It's time to change Burke, I hate to say it. He's been given more than enough time.
Next year, our team is going to be pretty much the same. We are tied up on alot of contracts. Unfortunately, most of those players really sux
The Kessel deal is good.
The proof is obvious.
Think back, how many Leaf draft choices have scored 30 goals or more in a single season?
There was Daryl Sittler, Lanny MacDonald, Gary Leeman, Wendal Clark. I can't think of anymore.
All Kessel done has score goals year in and year out for the Leafs.
You can say the Leafs suck at the draft. But look at how many 30 goal scores there are in the league. Other teams are not that great in the draft either.
It has bought us 0 playoffs. Hockey is alot more than just scoring goals. Leafs are better off with Seguin and Hamilton, and not paying a Kessel salary.
Look at St. Louis. How many goals do they score? How many players do they have that score 30 goals? You gotta play d man. This is something the entire leafs team doesn't have.
Look at St. Louis. How many goals do they score? How many players do they have that score 30 goals? You gotta play d man. This is something the entire leafs team doesn't have.
The ending of this season is so disappointing. The game tonight, kind of mirror the whole season.
However, I don't think things are bleak.
When Mats Sundin's time in Toronto was coming to an end, you can tell that when he was going to leave, the team would have Nikoli Antropov and Matt Satan as your front line centers. On defense, there was Karbele and Macabb, both aging. Various people in goal. No draft choices (sound familiar). Bad farm team. No cap space. That was the John Fergason era as GM. It was bleak.
After four years of Burke, there really are no improvement in the standings. However, the team has a better chance than what Burke's predecessor Fergason left the Leafs with.
Garbovski, scored 20 goals again, something Andrapov was never able to do in Toronto. Althought Flecther traded for him, Burke signed him to an extension, and he's still in his prime, whereas Andrapov is in the twilight of his career. On defense, the team has young defenseman that have great potential. Either they will get better, or they can be traded for other solid players. Scheen and Franson, maybe even Phaneuf could be gone this summer. The defense is young or in their prime, which was not the case under Fergason. The kids on the farm or the team. Look at the play Frattin and Gardiner made when they scored tonight. Who were the best young players on Fergason's team? It probably was Thomas Steen and Carlo Coliaccovo, who were inexplicably traded away by caretaker GM Fletcher.
The cupboard is not bare, so I don't think next year is bleak.
Need a goalie. Can Riemer bounch back, or is he done too, like Andrew Raycroft, or Toskla Vesa.
The defense men must play better in their own zone.
Still need a first line center.
The team needs a legitimate third line. This year's third line was whoever was in the doghouse. Can young Colbourne be the shut down checking third line center?
However, I don't think things are bleak.
When Mats Sundin's time in Toronto was coming to an end, you can tell that when he was going to leave, the team would have Nikoli Antropov and Matt Satan as your front line centers. On defense, there was Karbele and Macabb, both aging. Various people in goal. No draft choices (sound familiar). Bad farm team. No cap space. That was the John Fergason era as GM. It was bleak.
After four years of Burke, there really are no improvement in the standings. However, the team has a better chance than what Burke's predecessor Fergason left the Leafs with.
Garbovski, scored 20 goals again, something Andrapov was never able to do in Toronto. Althought Flecther traded for him, Burke signed him to an extension, and he's still in his prime, whereas Andrapov is in the twilight of his career. On defense, the team has young defenseman that have great potential. Either they will get better, or they can be traded for other solid players. Scheen and Franson, maybe even Phaneuf could be gone this summer. The defense is young or in their prime, which was not the case under Fergason. The kids on the farm or the team. Look at the play Frattin and Gardiner made when they scored tonight. Who were the best young players on Fergason's team? It probably was Thomas Steen and Carlo Coliaccovo, who were inexplicably traded away by caretaker GM Fletcher.
The cupboard is not bare, so I don't think next year is bleak.
Need a goalie. Can Riemer bounch back, or is he done too, like Andrew Raycroft, or Toskla Vesa.
The defense men must play better in their own zone.
Still need a first line center.
The team needs a legitimate third line. This year's third line was whoever was in the doghouse. Can young Colbourne be the shut down checking third line center?
I doubt that the Leafs would be better off with Seguin or whoever else the Bruins would draft. There are no Wendal Clarks or Sidney Crosby available. They were draft choices who made an immdiate impact on the team. Kessel I think is an impact player. Seguin, the jury is still out.
The goal-less St. Loius Blues ... is the LA Kings, having a good season. Next year, it could be the goal-less LA Kings having a good season and St. Louis struggling.
Ya, but my point is we are not better with Kessel.
Kessel+ Kessel salary = no playoffs. We are almost dead last in the eastern conference with Kessel. What does that tell you already? 13th seed and could finish as low as 14th.
Seguin+Hamilton + not paying a Kessel salary = no playoffs.
(At least if we have this deal, we have more wiggle room to wheel and deal. With what Burky has done, has left us no room to do anything from a financial standpoint. )
Don't bother arguing your point . People blame MLSE for this mess but the bottom is it maybe the fans . There are fans who will actually defend this mess and actually insist it's great and this maybe the majority and that is why no matter what they do . The stands will be filled
and the TV audience will always be there . There were actually Leaf fans who drove all the way to Buffalo ( with the price of gas the way it is ) last night . Go figure eh ..
Quote from Brian Burke yesterday " Francois Allaire is going no where " that should say it all ... He is so busy saying fuck you I will do what I want even if it isn't in the best interest of the organization ie like when Wilson was given an extension during a 3 game losing streak .
ya not to mention, he sign his buddy Ron Wilson to a 3 year extension only to fire him not even 1 year through. What a waste of cash seriously.
I'm calling it, fire burke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who does he hire? A guy that was also fired from his team for poor performance in the same season. just lmao man!
Randy Carlyle.
I'm calling it, fire burke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who does he hire? A guy that was also fired from his team for poor performance in the same season. just lmao man!
Randy Carlyle.
My understanding was Wilson's extension was 1 year. At the time I thought 1 year was a mistake and the "lame duck" coach was BS.
I believe that Carlyle has a 3 year contract. It is too early to judge Carlyle as a Leaf coach as he is working with Wilson's disaster.
Firing Burke puts the Leafs back where they were before he got here......which is pretty much where they are now!
The whole point is we are not better than what we are now. How many more years are we going to give Burke? He's been here like 4 years, and we have 0 playoffs experience with him.
He pretty much retooled our whole team. If this is not going to get it done, it won't get done. What you see now is what you will get next year. We are financially tied up on contracts. So you won't see much dangling. If you're happy with what we have now, it is exactly what you'll see next year with the leafs.
As it stands now the Leafs will have about $5.5 mil in cap space next season.
Add to that the usual bump in the salary cap, which I heard could be as high as $70 mil, that could be $11/12 mil in cap room for the Leafs ... and that is if they do not move anyone.
To ice a full team(23) the Leafs will have to sign a goalie, one defenceman and I think two or three forwards or move players from the Marlies.
Add to that the usual bump in the salary cap, which I heard could be as high as $70 mil, that could be $11/12 mil in cap room for the Leafs ... and that is if they do not move anyone.
To ice a full team(23) the Leafs will have to sign a goalie, one defenceman and I think two or three forwards or move players from the Marlies.
Fire Burke isn't a option unless you like burning money . Any quality new GM would want to hire his own coach .. That would mean if a new GM is hired then you would be paying Wilson , Burke , Carlyle , the new coach and the new GM . It shows how powerful Burke is in MLSE that he can hire a coach for a longer tenure then his own contract .
I guess his coach is Ron Wilson. He didn't want to fire him. He had no choice. In fact, Wilson should be fired when Burke took over.
I actually blame the GM more than the coach. The GM hires the players. Give us the best coach and the best goalie in the nhl to the leafs, leafs will still not make the playoffs. Our players just don't mesh together on D. As good as Phil Kessel is on O, his D is atrocious. He doesn't lay the wood on anyone. 12 hits or so all year long. The better teams always have good defensive forwards, and more importantly better defensive defencemen. New Jersey not counting this and previous year has always known for their d. It's the reason why they have been so consistent year after year.
Watching last nights game already shows what kinda d this leafs team plays.
lol
That is as far as I got ... it is as far as I needed to read to realize this guy does not know what he is talking about or is just another guy taking his shot at the Leafs.
Give us the best goalie in the league and it will make the coach and GM look like genius's in no matter what they do . The Coyotes are off to the playoffs and they won last night but gave up 50 plus shots against the worse team in the league .
I been watching the leafs for a long time. It's not going to matter if we have better goalie, if our core players remain the same. Ok put lundquist on our team, but our defencemen still remains the same and consistently let opposing teams blow by and lose the puck in our own end. Results will still be the same in the win-loss column. A better goalie might save us on some nights, but its not going to put us anywhere on top of the standings.
You may support what Burke is doing, but I don't. This team sux the way it is now.
