Strippers get licensed. Massage attendents and parlours get licensed. There are already plenty of municipalities licencing escort agencies and escorts. Many in these vicinities still go unlicensed and no one cares. The sky won't fall and there will be room for all.
Ontario Court of Appeal greenlights brothels, sweeps aside many of Canada’s anti-pros
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That is indeed true. If you are an indy and choose to take that risk upon yourself then power to you. An agency however would not be able to so easily ignore that rule. We're a lot easier to find and would make a much larger target.
Steph
true but it depends how it was done....some places in europe require an entertainers licence...that is a very generic description.
I do see a link to the FKK model possible
They basically put everything under one roof, similar to upscale Gentleman's clubs. Good for the ladies, good for the clients. The one difference is the prices are mega cheap...which I am wondering about...even though supply will go up, I am not sure the women will accept those types of prices.
They basically put everything under one roof, similar to upscale Gentleman's clubs. Good for the ladies, good for the clients. The one difference is the prices are mega cheap...which I am wondering about...even though supply will go up, I am not sure the women will accept those types of prices.
I'm a bit worried about this ruling. For many years, we have been operating "under the radar" with minimal interruption. My concern is the media attention and potential public outcry will cause our conservative government to legislate new laws which could be problematic for the hobby. Although I applaud the intent of the ruling and the advantages for the workers in the industry, I believe it is best for hobbyists and workers if we return to our state of quiet enjoyment and remove the spotlight from the profession.
Agreed. We actually do quite well with no law on the topic of abortions, although that's far from perfect. Especially for women in PEI. And it depends hugely on the professional ethics that are institutionalized among doctors and nurses. So that model's a long way from the underground sex biz.
But it can be done, if we focus on the legitimate concerns of society: Prevention of violence and intimidation, maintaining public health and ensuring fair and honest commercial dealing. Stuff that applies to all, not just one business, some insist can only be looked at as a sin. Or as "…oppressive exploitation".
Views that are as doomed by their stupid narrowness as any dogma like: capitalists are exploiters, muslims are fanatics, unions are the problem, or the only good governmnt is none at all.
But it can be done, if we focus on the legitimate concerns of society: Prevention of violence and intimidation, maintaining public health and ensuring fair and honest commercial dealing. Stuff that applies to all, not just one business, some insist can only be looked at as a sin. Or as "…oppressive exploitation".
Views that are as doomed by their stupid narrowness as any dogma like: capitalists are exploiters, muslims are fanatics, unions are the problem, or the only good governmnt is none at all.
I think it would be so productive to have Strip Club owners, Body Rub owners, and Agency owners all get together with Bylaw decision makers to have an open discussion about the pros & cons of the existing licenses to help decipher what's working & what isn't. It could help Agencies from having to deal with some of the challenges we currently (or in the past) have dealt with. It could also help improve the effectiveness of enforecement, safety, etc.
Exactly. It's unrealistic to assume that everyone will hold hands, sing kumbaya and work together in good faith. Never mind the bible thumpers and politicians, the industry members themselves have divisively competing interests.
We're a long way from setting bylaws. The politicians have to set the social policy framework first, and that's very much up in the air.
We're a long way from setting bylaws. The politicians have to set the social policy framework first, and that's very much up in the air.
Lol I didn't say bible thumpers. License holders.
Yes competition is fierce, but there comes a time when that gets put aside for the sake of safety/progress. Ya some people (including myself) would have to eat humble pie, but hello! Its for our best interests.
Yes competition is fierce, but there comes a time when that gets put aside for the sake of safety/progress. Ya some people (including myself) would have to eat humble pie, but hello! Its for our best interests.
In a democracy everyone gets their input into social issues and Fundamentalists will not permit their exclusion
I also don't think there's going to be a rush of new ladies 'recruiting' to the industry...some but not that many. As someone else stated, most women who want to be escorts and offer full service already do and have been for years. The law hasn't stopped them. And outcalls have already been legal for years so there's not going to be much of a change in that regard. Maybe more outcall ladies will switch over to incalls but that's been the trend anyway for a while.
I also agree with a couple others who said some ladies might actually leave the industry if they have to pay taxes, licensing fees, etc. And if there is a big influx of ladies initially, those costs, as well as more competition, could drive up the rates. Some young ladies might feel they're not making the fortune they had anticipated and realize they can make decent money waitressing or bartending at a Milestone's or something and leave the industry. I think it already happens now - new girls join an incall agency and there's so much competition that some of them aren't making the hordes of cash they expected so they leave after a relatively short time.
Yah, what YogaFace said. Everyone will get a say. Notwithstanding the possibility that the City might invite owners in for a private powwow like they did last Fall, proposed regulations are circulated for public comment. And guess what? Sometimes, the City will side with the public interest despite the loud and vocal objections of industry members (for example, look at the new building code that is expected to be passed later this year. It's hated by architects and builders because it caters to community groups.
I don't think there's any humble pie to be served. I agree that a united front to lobby lawmakers would be ideal. It's the "ourbest interests" that I question. It seems to me that the various stakeholders have very different interests. For example, "who" is that needs or requires more protection? Is it MPAs or dancers? If not, what do they have to gain?
If I were an MP or SC owner, my business interest would be to 1. lobby for strict regulations of incalls and/or 2. expanded rights under my existing license. As a potential brothel owner (agency), I would be hell bent on ensuring that SCs and MPs don't encroach on my service offerings. Last time I checked, this industry is motivated by money and lust; not altruism and charity.
More realistically, each group should band together and lobby for their own interests. The strip clubs already have their group. Perhaps Emily should run for president
I don't think there's any humble pie to be served. I agree that a united front to lobby lawmakers would be ideal. It's the "ourbest interests" that I question. It seems to me that the various stakeholders have very different interests. For example, "who" is that needs or requires more protection? Is it MPAs or dancers? If not, what do they have to gain?
If I were an MP or SC owner, my business interest would be to 1. lobby for strict regulations of incalls and/or 2. expanded rights under my existing license. As a potential brothel owner (agency), I would be hell bent on ensuring that SCs and MPs don't encroach on my service offerings. Last time I checked, this industry is motivated by money and lust; not altruism and charity.
More realistically, each group should band together and lobby for their own interests. The strip clubs already have their group. Perhaps Emily should run for president
Correct me if I am wrong, but I haven't seen any of the agencies say anything that would scare hobbyist into thinking the price would go up. I think the price is the least of the agencies concerns. I am pretty sure they are more worried about having to keep extensive records on our clients and SPs. I have enough work already, last thing I need is to have to keep accurate records of all the clients who used our service for the last 6mths to a year and then submit them to the government.
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Nicole
Agreed. If it did happen it would be a bonanza for the fake ID sellers. Amazing how many clients in the 6 months worth of records would be named "John Smith" and live at 123 Maple St.
As others have stated, im very worried that the cons will move to close the so called legal loophole (ie that prostitution is in fact legal) by making a law outlawing sex for $$ or by criminalizing buyers (nordic model). While a majority pf the population feels this should not be illegal, few are willing to stand up and say that vocally, and the consevative bible thumping voting block will support this fully (in front of their wives at least). I wish the constitutional challenge of the bawdy house law had been on the basis that just being in a place - should not be illegal. As much as i disagree, i dont think the gov or canada as a whole is ready for us to be known as the land of fully legal prostitution.
