Ontario Court of Appeal greenlights brothels, sweeps aside many of Canada’s anti-pros

[keyser]

I also believe that no municipality will have ANY interest in permitting a "small-time" operator to have a brothel license, so girls who might only be interested in seeing one or two clients a week will be SOL for in-calls. (They *might* be able to obtain an out-call license, depending on the whims of the municipal authorities).

Another baseless, illogical statement.

 

[keyser]

Yes, a municipality in Ontario cannot eliminate a legal business through zoning or licensing limitations. But they can put severe restrictions on it, as they have done with strip clubs.

The City of Ottawa, for example, will not issue any new strip club licenses. And body rub parlour licenses are also restricted (albeit at a higher number but smaller establishment).

Ask the City of Toronto how many new strip clubs they're willing to license. I'm pretty sure they'll tell you Zero. Find me a single City Councillor who wants to have a brothel or a strip club in a residential neighbourhood in their ward.

And just as municipalities have established bylaws restricting activities which may occur at strip clubs (e.g. "no contact" bylaws), we can expect they will become similarly involved with activities at brothels.

They aren't obligated to license brothels and the Court isn't "demanding" that they do. The city will do whatever it chooses to do. That doesn't mean that Niagara Falls or Mississauga, or wherever, would. I highly doubt that they won't. I think the one who's got it absolutely right is oagre. Could easily see a million dollars or more being invested (over time). It's simple economics and it's all about ROI. If the license for a body rub is $11k, a brothel might be $25k or $50k, who knows. But some people will happily pay it. There will be a gold rush of sorts of those staking their claim to their license and the best locations, best facilities, etc. Once this is destigmafied, it will be the those that established themselves first who will become the biggest names, biggest brands, gain marketshare and make the most money. Look at what the big clubs spend in furnishings and sound equipment. Why would it be any different?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I'm pretty sure most strip clubs will simply turn into brothels.

I dont think we'll see another red light district like in Amsterdam here, everything will be spread out

 

[havingfun]

Look at the FKK's in Germany. Those places are huge luxurious clubs with non alcoholic bars, buffets, saunas and whirlpool baths and dozens of rooms and girls. That's the new future and I love it!!!!!

I have always dreamed of going to the FKK's in Germany. And now my dream may come to Toronto! It'll be like the days of Fantasia - only better.

 

[JRR]

I can see both sides of the arguement, for and against with this ruling, however the only true winner in the long run is the provincial government as they will be making the most money with this ruling.
Our province is in debt and will do anything it takes to generate money, last week was the announcement of a casino in Toronto, this week Brothel Houses, next month it will be something else, and son on.

 

[Aardvark154]

Is the city now obligated to license brothels? Not sure it necessarily follows. It may not be illegal anymore, but what if the city says "We don't want brothels within the city limits?" It's legal in Nevada but there are no licensed brothels in Las Vegas.

No, but also I'm not at all sure they will either ban them or try to zone them into marginal areas.

 

[TeasePlease]

I fully disagree. We are in a plaza with 7 massage parlors. All of them except for us are full service. Not a thing about whats offered where will change. We are still a licensed Body Rub parlor and still have to abide by those bylaws. So federally if a spa wants to scream from the rooftops that they now offer fs, municipally they are still subject to the same infractions/tickets as they were yesterday.

Wow. You fully miss the point. According to your own admission, 6 out of 7 massages in your plaza have something to worry about.

The world does not revolve around Muse. But I'm sure your neighbors appreciate you advertising their sevices.

P.s. I can only thnk of two bylaws that would impact full service. Improper attire and price list.

 

[milehigh]

Wonder how getting a Winnebago and running a mobile Massage would work.

 

[39ajaxmale]

Wow. You fully miss the point. According to your own admission, 6 out of 7 massages in your plaza have something to worry about.

The world does not revolve around Muse. But I'm sure your neighbors appreciate you advertising their sevices.

P.s. I can only thnk of two bylaws that would impact full service. Improper attire and price list.

Why would Emily have any concern over the MP's that are breaking the law.. so long as her place isn't? Less competition for her if they get busted.

I've been to Muse a few times, and I've seen some of the other MP's that Emily's talking about. I avoid them. If I want Full Serve, I'll go to an SP, and probably pay less.

 

[basur]

I believe that a frying pan struck at the back of the head by ones' wife will be as painful tomorrow as it was yesterday...

...so lets continue to be careful out there...

 

[Jim_Teacher]

One thing is for sure... if this ruling stands up, somebody in power is gonna figure out how to tax it... SP's will have to post little plastic pie-chart stickers on their brothel doors saying "37 cents of every dollar goes to help your government meet the needs of it's sex work professionals".

 

[Anynym]

They aren't obligated to license brothels and the Court isn't "demanding" that they do. The city will do whatever it chooses to do. That doesn't mean that Niagara Falls or Mississauga, or wherever, would. I highly doubt that they won't. I think the one who's got it absolutely right is oagre. Could easily see a million dollars or more being invested (over time). It's simple economics and it's all about ROI. If the license for a body rub is $11k, a brothel might be $25k or $50k, who knows. But some people will happily pay it. There will be a gold rush of sorts of those staking their claim to their license and the best locations, best facilities, etc. Once this is destigmafied, it will be the those that established themselves first who will become the biggest names, biggest brands, gain marketshare and make the most money. Look at what the big clubs spend in furnishings and sound equipment. Why would it be any different?

Sorry, but yes, if it's a legal business, they are obligated to permit it to operate within the municipal boundaries.

If most municipalities had their choice, there would be no licenses for strip clubs. As it is, they must permit at least one, and they must grandfather locations which existed prior to the introduction of the licensing bylaw.

Why do you think they will be more generous with brothels?

 

[hesitant]

I beg to differ. With a majority government, puritanical and anti-everything agenda the Cons will choose to move quickly to rewrite laws and pass them asap. Why the helll would they appeal when new laws can be enacted in short order... they are sagging badly in the public opinion polls and may see a way to boost popularity especially with Canada's elderly whom they offended with OAS reform talk. Once new law in place the industry would have to begin the whole challenge anew.

 

[TeasePlease]

They won't be generous. And you bet your ass NIMBYism will be out in full force so opening brothels won't be so easy.

Perhaps the change in the building permit process in TO this year was not a coincidence. Lol.

 

[Garden of Eden Ladies]

The days of the MPA are over. Almost all MP's will switch to FS or die within 2 or 3 years, as surely as "no touch" strip clubs died out.

I have to disagree with this. There are many people out there and would rather visit a massage parlor over an escort service. Legal or not. Just like there are people who only goto strip clubs there are many more who only use MPs. Sure there might be a dip in business but the market will adjust. To say the days of MPA are over is a little quick to judge.



Thanks


Nicole

 

[lastal2020]

Well i guess this a boom for Fairbanks Stripclub. More than half the girls love upstair

 

[Joe-Dart54]

Well i guess this a boom for Fairbanks Stripclub. More than half the girls love upstair

lol....

 

[MPAsquared]

I have to disagree with this. There are many people out there and would rather visit a massage parlor over an escort service. Legal or not. Just like there are people who only goto strip clubs there are many more who only use MPs. Sure there might be a dip in business but the market will adjust. To say the days of MPA are over is a little quick to judge.



Thanks


Nicole

Couldn't have said it better myself Nicole

 

[TeeJay]

Well the same could be said for a girl holding a Body Rubbers license.....however, luckly that info isnt public record. A woman can be a licensed dancer or body rubber (and hopefully soon a licensed escort) and still carry on with their studies and other career goals.

A couple girls told me the reason they worked only at holistic places was for privacy & that body rub does show up in future (eg when applying for jobs)

 

[qwertyuio]

Has Harper or anyone in the Govt commented yet to say what they intend to do? Whether it be another appeal or re-writing the law etc.?