MrsCALoki's weight in gold

[simon482]

Are we still pointing at things?

Unless you are much older than even Loki your family used the garden to add food to the table and help feed the family. Or did you have milk cows, chickens, an a few acres of wheat and corn as well? Human's need salt. Where do you get it? Most diets decades ago in north america relied heavily on grains. Where are yours going to come from? Are you going to rely on plant protein? Do you know how to balance it so you will be able to live off it? If you do not, how will you deal with the need for protein? Do you have fertilizer? It takes a years to condition the soil using compost.

How are you going to live until the first crop comes in? It could be a year or more before you even see a radish unless you already have it all set up.

One of our neighbours down the road bought an old farm. I love to visit and they are very proud of their canned vegetables. They think in 4 or 5 more years they will be mostly self sufficient. And they get to use machinery to make the land productive.

Did I mention heat and the time needed to cut down and split wood? The further north you go the colder the winter and the more wood you need.

Do you have a nice warm safe house for everyone already built up there?

i am a country boy that was raised in the north. what your talking about is slightly accurate. when i said etc.. in reference to the vegetables i was talking about corn and wheat and barley as well. ground is not as hard as you are talking about for getting it to grow. i can have a fully functioning garden up and running in a short period of time and the growing season where i am going is about 5 months if you start as early as possible. it is harder to grow down here since the air is more polluted. supplies i take with me are going to keep us going till the first crops come in, your talking like i am just gonna roll on up there with nothing but a smile and hope for the best.

i also highly doubt that people will be heading north if things go bad, it will be seen as cold and unforgiving and people that never grew up around it or in it will be afraid of that. i see most people staying in cities hoping for the best waiting for someone to take control and tell them what to do. the generation that is slowly taking over can't function without being told what to do.

i will not be relying only on plant protein either, i have and can hunt for more than "fun" i have lived on what was killed for months. in fact i would never hunt for "fun". the body will adapt to it's surroundings and live easily on what is available to it. i could tell you my current diet and what i have been living on since i was about 20 and you would tell i am currently dead. it's all in what you know. i am not saying it would be an amazing family get away, it would be rough for a period of time but after that it would be just fine.

 

[smiley1437]

what i am most worried about is if things really do go south, there will come a time when i run out of cigarettes and then i would just go into a rage.

You could always plant other smokables

 

[simon482]

as for splitting wood lol. if i didn't spend a minimum 1 hour a day splitting wood my dad made it very clear i didn't get dinner. same for my brother. one winter the pipes from our well froze up and we couldn't get water to the house so after we chopped wood we had to the well and fill up the blue 5 gallon water jugs, everyone knows the kind i am talking about if you ever went camping. fill 2, 1 for each hand.

 

[simon482]

You could always plant other smokables

i will leave that up to my mom, she is legendary at it.

 

[mrsCALoki]

with the job i do i have a truck that can get me minimum 3000kms before i need to worry about fuel. i will be turning that truck north and not stopping till it runs out. my brother has a truck that sits with a full reg tank and reserve tank. the world won't die so fast we can't stop to get some reserves on the way. i am not worried about the forest running out of things to kill either, as far up as i am going not to many people will venture. big enough garden to pull food out of that will carry over for the winter and carry past winter. i will be loading up people that i care about into a trailer if they want to come with me, if not i am not going to beg. i could live a long and happy life that far up and out of the way and would never get bothered by anyone.

Is there 3,000 kms of roads north of Toronto? I thought like Hearst was as far north as you could go?

Incredibly short growing season there.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/climzoneveg.htm

Looks like it would be hard to live off the land any where past North Bay, assuming you had good tilled land and all the implements and a starter green house.

 

[simon482]

Is there 3,000 kms of roads north of Toronto? I thought like Hearst was as far north as you could go?

Incredibly short growing season there.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/climzoneveg.htm

Looks like it would be hard to live off the land any where past North Bay, assuming you had good tilled land and all the implements and a starter green house.

yeah it's a good thing i don't rely on the internet for all of my information and have actually been to these places. hearst is a good town, but lots of towns, roads, rail systems and all that shit you talked about north or there. lots of roads actually, have you ever been to hearst ? small town but nice. i was there 3 weeks ago. there are a lot of roads up there not on google maps as well.

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

Up north, most farmers left long ago to start again out west on the prairies. The soil is too rocky.
If you want decent soil, it's down here around the GTA and Niagara area but it's being paved over.

 

[mrsCALoki]

i am a country boy that was raised in the north. what your talking about is slightly accurate. when i said etc.. in reference to the vegetables i was talking about corn and wheat and barley as well. ground is not as hard as you are talking about for getting it to grow. i can have a fully functioning garden up and running in a short period of time and the growing season where i am going is about 5 months if you start as early as possible.

You do realise that most people here are thinking simon is full off BS and any of us can pick a dozen holes into his BS.

Feels weird knowing you are just reflecting the truth as you know it and people claiming it is all BS?

:roll:

We had a long long talk about these issues while we tried to decide on how to spend the rest of our lives. Our compromise was the little expedition trawler with the huge fuel tanks to see if we could live on a boat. If we can handle the life style, and fully believed things might go south we will have to sink a lot of money into a more appropriate boat. I have visions of Mutiny on Bounty and growing tomatoes in pots.

 

[simon482]

Up north, most farmers left long ago to start again out west on the prairies. The soil is too rocky.
If you want decent soil, it's down here around the GTA and Niagara area but it's being paved over.

yeah, to rocky for mass produced farming for the sake of making money.

 

[simon482]

You do realise that most people here are thinking simon is full off BS and any of us can pick a dozen holes into his BS.

Feels weird knowing you are just reflecting the truth as you know it and people claiming it is all BS?

:roll:

We had a long long talk about these issues while we tried to decide on how to spend the rest of our lives. Our compromise was the little expedition trawler with the huge fuel tanks to see if we could live on a boat. If we can handle the life style, and fully believed things might go south we will have to sink a lot of money into a more appropriate boat. I have visions of Mutiny on Bounty and growing tomatoes in pots.

my story is full of bs ? lol that's classic shit right there.

 

[mrsCALoki]

yeah it's a good thing i don't rely on the internet for all of my information and have actually been to these places. hearst is a good town, but lots of towns, roads, rail systems and all that shit you talked about north or there. lots of roads actually, have you ever been to hearst ? small town but nice. i was there 3 weeks ago. there are a lot of roads up there not on google maps as well.

If I tell you how I saw it will you tell me I am full of BS?

I got a chance to see it, and saw al the tiny roads and places way off the highway.

Lots of places to live up there. But I got the impression that the roads were not that long.

 

[mrsCALoki]

my story is full of bs ? lol that's classic shit right there.

simon, do you really think most people here think you have a chance of just driving north, and creating a camp site from the wilderness and surviving, let alone prospering?

You may believe you can, but the bulk of the people here are scratching their head and wondering what you have been smoking.

Just because a bunch of people decide you are BSing them and being a troll talking about what you are talking about, does that make your ideas and thoughts BS?

 

[simon482]

If I tell you how I saw it will you tell me I am full of BS?

I got a chance to see it, and saw al the tiny roads and places way off the highway.

Lots of places to live up there. But I got the impression that the roads were not that long.

i don't think what your saying is bs, never called you a liar once. you might be getting me confused with someone else. i never said you never got what you said, i'm the guy that said you shouldn't have taken it. so with that said why would you think i would tell you how you saw it is bs? also why are you thinking that i would be staying in ontario ? there is more to canada than just this one province. i have spent a lot of time in hearst and surrounding areas. it's a nice area, flying over it doesn't do it the same justice as driving it though and not in a big truck but a car so i can get out and look around.

sudbury is where i grew up sort of, it's where i started anyway. its a snow belt in that are and you can get buried for days on end with no way to get out easily. it's also nearly impossible to grow there cuz the mines fucked the soil up, yet some how my family did, had a full garden up and running in about a month that gave us vegetables, not enough for the first year but it was a good start, second summer produced way more. our abilities are very different, i can survive and flourish in places that you would never want to go to in the first place, that is not an insult it's just a fact. we were raised different. i grew up on farms and outdoors, so that culture and life style would be just as easy for me as the one i have now.

 

[mrsCALoki]

yeah, to rocky for mass produced farming for the sake of making money.

Not to mention the roots. Digging in the Pre-Cambrian shield is a bitch. And the top soil is so thin. When I tried to start a garden I had a major battle. None of my root crops produced at all. Afer a lot of work, I found out I should have gone with raised beads and brought in good soil to put in them.

I do not think I would even try to grow food unless I was in a 4 or 4b zone and had an established plot.

 

[simon482]

simon, do you really think most people here think you have a chance of just driving north, and creating a camp site from the wilderness and surviving, let alone prospering?

You may believe you can, but the bulk of the people here are scratching their head and wondering what you have been smoking.

Just because a bunch of people decide you are BSing them and being a troll talking about what you are talking about, does that make your ideas and thoughts BS?

i really don't give a fuck if anyone here thinks i am speaking any truth, pm's about where the property i am going to say different. i have a plan and the means and ability to pull it off. i was raised in those conditions, i was raised that i can survive in almost any circumstance (i would be fucked in a desert).

wait wait wait, are you mad that this thread isn't about you anymore ?

 

[simon482]

Not to mention the roots. Digging in the Pre-Cambrian shield is a bitch. And the top soil is so thin. When I tried to start a garden I had a major battle. None of my root crops produced at all. Afer a lot of work, I found out I should have gone with raised beads and brought in good soil to put in them.

I do not think I would even try to grow food unless I was in a 4 or 4b zone and had an established plot.

so now you lived in the north and know all about the conditions of the ground up there ? fuck for 24 years old you have been almost everywhere and done everything. impressive.

 

[mrsCALoki]

i don't think what your saying is bs, never called you a liar once. you might be getting me confused with someone else. i never said you never got what you said, i'm the guy that said you shouldn't have taken it. so with that said why would you think i would tell you how you saw it is bs? also why are you thinking that i would be staying in ontario ? there is more to canada than just this one province. i have spent a lot of time in hearst and surrounding areas. it's a nice area, flying over it doesn't do it the same justice as driving it though and not in a big truck but a car so i can get out and look around.

sudbury is where i grew up sort of, it's where i started anyway. its a snow belt in that are and you can get buried for days on end with no way to get out easily. it's also nearly impossible to grow there cuz the mines fucked the soil up, yet some how my family did, had a full garden up and running in about a month that gave us vegetables, not enough for the first year but it was a good start, second summer produced way more. our abilities are very different, i can survive and flourish in places that you would never want to go to in the first place, that is not an insult it's just a fact. we were raised different. i grew up on farms and outdoors, so that culture and life style would be just as easy for me as the one i have now.

I was taking poetic licence and using you as an example. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Northern Ontario is so beautiful and amazing. We drive up to a Buffalo farm in Noelville every few weeks, and explore on the way. The potato farm between Sudbury and North Bay are incredible. If I was Irish I could settle there and be very happy. I love Parry Sound area best so far. It has a sense of community and I cannot imagine a more beautiful rugged place than Georgian Bay. This summer when we get back to Canada we are planning on boating to Thunder Bay. I have been told it is safe in the summer but can be deadly in the fall.

Loki wants to try a new life style. I have decided that he has a right to do that, and as his wife I will do it with him. But I know that some day I will return and settle in Northern Ontario. Maybe North Bay. I hope your "going south" never happens. If it does I have no idea what we will really do. We have a 4000 mile cruising range if the tanks are full. But where can you go? I guess my opinion on the issue is exactly the same as my being with Loki. I can worry about it and be unhappy trying to deal with the future, or I can enjoy life day to day and savour every moment I can.

 

[blackrock13]

Up north, most farmers left long ago to start again out west on the prairies. The soil is too rocky.
If you want decent soil, it's down here around the GTA and Niagara area but it's being paved over.

You'd better define up north. Considering over the years I've probably spent 3-5 years north of 60, I don't consider Sudbury or SSM up north one bit. In Ontario, generally any farming north of Hy #7 and east of TO, except the freakin' Holland Marsh, is no fun because to the shield, but there are pockets thanks to the glaciers where it is just fine. There are even viable farms in the Territories, but the crops are quite restrictive.

 

[simon482]

I was taking poetic licence and using you as an example. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Northern Ontario is so beautiful and amazing. We drive up to a Buffalo farm in Noelville every few weeks, and explore on the way. The potato farm between Sudbury and North Bay are incredible. If I was Irish I could settle there and be very happy. I love Parry Sound area best so far. It has a sense of community and I cannot imagine a more beautiful rugged place than Georgian Bay. This summer when we get back to Canada we are planning on boating to Thunder Bay. I have been told it is safe in the summer but can be deadly in the fall.

Loki wants to try a new life style. I have decided that he has a right to do that, and as his wife I will do it with him. But I know that some day I will return and settle in Northern Ontario. Maybe North Bay. I hope your "going south" never happens. If it does I have no idea what we will really do. We have a 4000 mile cruising range if the tanks are full. But where can you go? I guess my opinion on the issue is exactly the same as my being with Loki. I can worry about it and be unhappy trying to deal with the future, or I can enjoy life day to day and savour every moment I can.

north bay is a nice town, my mom lives there. it's a university party town and seniors retirement place by day. i would retire up there some day, it is nice and relaxed atmosphere. parry sound on the other hand is mostly all drunks that get their shit together during the day then beat their wives and cheat all night. sudbury is okay for the most part except the general attitude of the long term residents that think they are some cool shit. i ran into a person from sudbury, told them i was from north bay, thinking we could share some north stories as 2 northerners lost in the south, nope. just got the old rivalry shit.

what you see as a tourist in the northern parts is not the reality of the northern parts.

 

[mrsCALoki]

so now you lived in the north and know all about the conditions of the ground up there ? fuck for 24 years old you have been almost everywhere and done everything. impressive.

The day after I finished my boards last year I moved in with Loki. He lives in Northern Ontario. I always wanted a garden and he had room for it. His wife had made tiny flower gardens between the rocks and they were a mess. A handful of years of neglect are hard on most things.

In this area there are some old farmers that have stopped growing much, and you can hire them to help you with your landscaping and gardening. I like to learn things and the one I found liked to talk.

I had already sort of ripped up a big garden with the hydraulic bucket the first time he came to the house. It was a learning experience.

I have not been everywhere. I was conceived in Hong Kong, but the view on the trip to London was terrible. I was born in London. I only got as far as Bath in England. My family had a business based in France so I did get to see Paris and a few of the wine regions. I moved to NY state for school. Came to Toronto to work as an SP. A client (ok my only client) took me to Atlanta, Savannah, St Augustine for an extended weekend. And another time to Old Quebec City.

We got married in Las Vegas in July. Honey moon was LA, Sydney, a great resort on Great Barrier Reef, Bali, Hong Kong, and home. And now driving to Key West. I do not think that is all over.

Done everything? Of course not. Went to school, worked like crazy evenings and weekend in the family business, ran away from my Father and went to school. Ran out of money and decided that SP sounded like a good idea. Found out I am not good at seeing patients dying. Decided being a tradition huse wife made me happy. That is not that much in 25 years.