How many of you GAVE UP on dating figuring your just too undesirable to women?

[4pack]

I wonder how some of these guys would do if they went to another country to teach english to ESL students? I heard a regular guy can do well in places like Taiwan or Korea or Japan.

As an aside. A friend in Japan asked his brother to mail him condoms cause he had a hard time finding ones that fit him. LOL true story.

Regular guys have no problem overseas unless they are socially challenged. Canadian citizenship is a big attraction to the eyes of Asian women or girls from other locales. I'm sure some guys use that angle and sleep with tons of girls(not escorts but regular girls).

 

[4pack]

I know of a guy who is 5'4 and he's in his mid 30's and greying, a bit chubby, doesn't have a steady job, no money, lives with his parents, but he's a funny guy, good conversationist, good attitude. Blew my mind away when a 19 girl went head over heels for him and this girl is actually good looking, that I bet you guys would bang without hesitation.

If a guy could get a girl like that, than any of us can.

There's always an exception to the rule. Just because exceptions exist doesn't mean everyone will be able to do that. Honestly, I think the good-looking girl has low self esteem if she's going to fall for some guy who doesn't have his shit together. She doesn't know what her potential on the market is if she's going to go out with some guy like that.

And stories like these are very damaging to guys who have a tough time getting girls. They see some guy who got lucky and think they can do it themselves without self-improvement. No, most guys should either hit the gym, get a good career, wear trendy clothes, and get some interesting new hobbies besides sponging off their parents playing video games ruining their health eating fatty foods.

 

[4pack]

i ve done okay as a short asian dating taller white women......am i lying?

intelligence, being nice, and humour are my selling points.....that is it.

Don't take any offence to this, but you are probably more natural at talking and being funny to women. You probably have a trendy wardrobe and a good job. Just because you can do it does not mean other guys can. I know you are trying to change the attitudes of some of the posters here but some guys just naturally suck at attracting women, whether it's because of their physical attributes or lack of social skills. Sometimes you just can't change a person and we should accept that.

At least the guys who have trouble getting girls are at least getting some sex here and there. My virgin friends have severely let their prime go by without experiencing sex, which is a damn shame in my eyes. Hopefully they have secret lives and are banging escorts at least.

 

[4pack]

I have two friends who I consider good-looking. One guy is tall(maybe 6'2 or 6'3) and the other average(5'8). Taller guy has probably slept with over 100 girls(no escorts, at least that I know of) and the shorter guy is around 60. Shorter guy has slowed down his numbers because he recently got married, but still fucks around the side when he can or if the girl is hot enough to risk his marriage. Shorter guy would be over 100 if he started earlier but was always a one woman guy until he became a horndog later on in life.

Now both these guys are confident, workout, dress well, but have blue collar jobs that at most pay 55k a year. How many girls do you think they would have had sex with if they were around the 5'2-5'3 range? Nowhere near those numbers that's for sure. And their confidence wouldn't be as high and outlook on life would be shittier. To them life is great because of all the fucking they do. The constant sex is great and a huge ego boost. Make them short? Big game changer.

I'm not saying being short will guarantee you remaining single. It's just that much harder to do it. I think being rich will definitely overcompensate lack of height.

 

[4pack]

I was not going to post to this thread anymore but could not resist NOW that 4pack claims short guys have a hard obstacle to overcome DESPITE having confidence. He even mentioned 2 guys with ZERO success . I find this funny because NOW that 4pack holds this view I can't wait til Blackrock13 comes after him claiming he must be the big whiner c&b. Cause c&b, 4pack , myself & anyone else who holds those views could not be observing any sort of truth out there but are just big whiners!!! :Eek:

Partyman, I'm not lying to you but I just remembered another short guy around 5'3 who has a ripped but lean physique. Never had a gf, steady but not spectacular job, lives at home, and over 40 years old. Not socially awkward but it's hard to be taken serious by women when you are so short. Would he have gotten some gfs if he still had the same conversations skills/attitudes if he was maybe 5 inches taller? Most likely yes. Again I hope he uses his money to at least enjoy life and fuck some escorts on the side.

 

[blackrock13]

i can stick up for him and say shorter guys do have more issue getting girls. they want a protector or their man to be able to be viewed as a protector. short guys are not as "menacing". a short dude will have to try a little harder, make up for it in personality. not as difficult as these dudes are making it out to be.

Simon you say that and yet every women on this thread has said BUNK, except that short guy 'can' have issues. Tall good looking guys can as well.

 

[poorboy]

Height doesn't matter to a minority of women, not the majority

i can stick up for him and say shorter guys do have more issue getting girls. they want a protector or their man to be able to be viewed as a protector. short guys are not as "menacing". a short dude will have to try a little harder, make up for it in personality. not as difficult as these dudes are making it out to be.

What makes it difficult for me is my "relative" size compared to the other men I work with. 5'7" isn't overly short by world standards. But in my business, I have been passed over for certain "missions" because of my size at work because they wanted bigger guys who looked intimidating or if something physical happened. The fact that these guys have no cardio because they don't exercise or have no fighting skills wasn't a factor in the selection.

This is not exclusive to my business. Even when I was a lowly delivery man for furniture in my student years, the boss would select the big guys to go out to recover furniture when the owners defaulted on payment.

I can also tell you from taking groundfighting that it takes a substantial amount of skill to overcome an opponent's bigger size and mass. Sometimes I end up having to take a beating while I wait for them to make a mistake before I can do something. If they're 75 lbs heavier than me, which is only 230 lbs, and they are able to get on top of me, all they have to do is just lie there and wait for the clock to run out to end the fight.

Height remains important in business, no matter what business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRQOzr0Ff_Q

 

[blackrock13]

What makes it difficult for me is my "relative" size compared to the other men I work with. 5'7" isn't overly short by world standards. But in my business, I have been passed over for certain "missions" because of my size at work because they wanted bigger guys if something physical happened. The fact that these guys have no cardio because they don't exercise or have no fighting skills wasn't a factor in the selection.

I can also tell you from taking groundfighting that it takes a substantial amount of skill to overcome an opponent's bigger size and mass. Sometimes I end up having to take a beating while I wait for them to make a mistake before I can do something. If they're 75 lbs heavier than me, which is only 230 lbs, and they are able to get on top of me, all they have to do is just lie there and wait for the clock to run out to end the fight.

In your situation it strictly perception and your bosses need some educating. I'll leave how up to you. In much of my work in the field, I'm not the fastest, strongest, or have the best endurance, but when needed, I often get the call because I understand leverage and momentum better, realize I'm not immortal, and can think on my feet. Mind you, there is always something for small to do and every good crew has someone for those. In my circles i don't see any more short guys without female companionship, than the above average guys over and over and over. The short guys who are chronically alone often have major Napoleon complexes or exactly the opposite and whine about it big time.

 

[poorboy]

In your situation it strictly perception and your bosses need some educating.

Perception is reality.

As far as dating goes, you could say that women's views of me are strictly perception and these women need some educating. That's not something I can do. As a matter of fact, with how poisonous my work environment is, it just might get me an interview with the police.

All I can do if I'm turned down for a date (for whatever reason) is move on to the next.

 

[Terminator2000]

poorboy,

what you mean with how poisonous your work environment is?

ps. you need to clear out your mailbox

 

[simon482]

Simon you say that and yet every women on this thread has said BUNK, except that short guy 'can' have issues. Tall good looking guys can as well.

nothing personal to the girls that have commented on this thread but they are not gonna give a real answer. if they come on here and say short guys are less attractive, then short guys won't be calling them and they lose a bit of business.

 

[poorboy]

poorboy,

what you mean with how poisonous your work environment is?

ps. you need to clear out your mailbox

There have been a lot of harassment claims made by women. Some unfounded, some not.

 

[blackrock13]

nothing personal to the girls that have commented on this thread but they are not gonna give a real answer. if they come on here and say short guys are less attractive, then short guys won't be calling them and they lose a bit of business.

So they aren't telling the truth. Well, considering the identities of the ladies are keep secret to a large extent loss of business might be less than you think. With the safe harbour that an SP provides, these less than perfect(in their own mind) men, they will go just to get that caring and interest, regardless.

 

[simon482]

So they aren't telling the truth. Well, considering the identities of the ladies are keep secret to a large extent loss of business might be less than you think. With the safe harbour that an SP provides, these less than perfect(in their own mind) men, they will go just to get that caring and interest, regardless.

and remember i am not saying it's gonna affect where he works and all that other bullshit he is spitting. if your a good, nice, decent guy and you can make your move before you get friend zoned you got a chance. yes height may be a factor (not everytime) but sometimes. then you have to think there are girls that like shorts guys, like girls that like fat guys and so on. everyone has their own taste.

if i was 5 feet tall and a 4-6 on the looks scale i am not gonna pursue a 9 or 10 that is walking around with a dude that is 6 feet tall cuz odds are she is not into me. pool boy is blowing his shit way out of proportion. making it sound like being short gets a worse public image than being black. i am not saying that in a racist way either, i am going on the stereotypes set up in the world. i have watched lots of people cross the street to get away from a black dude, never seen anyone cross the street to get away from a midget.

 

[blackrock13]

and remember i am not saying it's gonna affect where he works and all that other bullshit he is spitting. if your a good, nice, decent guy and you can make your move before you get friend zoned you got a chance. yes height may be a factor (not everytime) but sometimes. then you have to think there are girls that like shorts guys, like girls that like fat guys and so on. everyone has their own taste.
if i was 5 feet tall and a 4-6 on the looks scale i am not gonna pursue a 9 or 10 that is walking around with a dude that is 6 feet tall cuz odds are she is not into me. pool boy is blowing his shit way out of proportion. making it sound like being short gets a worse public image than being black. i am not saying that in a racist way either, i am going on the stereotypes set up in the world. i have watched lots of people cross the street to get away from a black dude, never seen anyone cross the street to get away from a midget.

On this we are in agreement.

 

[afterhours]

and remember i am not saying it's gonna affect where he works and all that other bullshit he is spitting. if your a good, nice, decent guy and you can make your move before you get friend zoned you got a chance. yes height may be a factor (not everytime) but sometimes. then you have to think there are girls that like shorts guys, like girls that like fat guys and so on. everyone has their own taste.

if i was 5 feet tall and a 4-6 on the looks scale i am not gonna pursue a 9 or 10 that is walking around with a dude that is 6 feet tall cuz odds are she is not into me. pool boy is blowing his shit way out of proportion. making it sound like being short gets a worse public image than being black. i am not saying that in a racist way either, i am going on the stereotypes set up in the world. i have watched lots of people cross the street to get away from a black dude, never seen anyone cross the street to get away from a midget.

I bet you that a tall black guy can get women 20 times easier than a short white guy. All he needs to do is to concentrate on tall chicks, whose choice is limited to tall guys due to their standards.

 

[simon482]

That's the first time I've heard about this. I've been rejected by white girls all my life, only had success with brown/black girls. Are you trying to make up excuses, most girls find white men more attractive than minorities. It's a fact.

if i walked up to a chick and the first thing i did was project what was wrong with me, odds are i would be sitting around crying about it as well.

 

[frankcastle]

Don't take any offence to this, but you are probably more natural at talking and being funny to women. You probably have a trendy wardrobe and a good job. Just because you can do it does not mean other guys can. I know you are trying to change the attitudes of some of the posters here but some guys just naturally suck at attracting women, whether it's because of their physical attributes or lack of social skills. Sometimes you just can't change a person and we should accept that.

At least the guys who have trouble getting girls are at least getting some sex here and there. My virgin friends have severely let their prime go by without experiencing sex, which is a damn shame in my eyes. Hopefully they have secret lives and are banging escorts at least.

i make under 6 figures and the sum total of the clothes i wear including watch and shoes but not jacket would be 300 to 400 tops......shoes and watch accountimg for 200. take those away and you are left with personality and persistance......btw i dont harrass women with a shotgun approach.

 

[mrsCALoki]

I can only speak for myself, and a few friends I discussed it with, but we have a mental score card we use to judge men, and it includes different items with different weights depending on the woman, how we feel that day, and a lot of other things. For me in general:

Guy makes me laugh +100 points
Guy makes me yawn -200 points
Guy is ugly - 25 points
Guy is short - 25 points
Guy has a chip on his shoulder because he is ugly or short -1,000 points
Guy has a chip on his shoulder and over compensates for a lack of personality - 1,000 points

Men who whine are not pleasant. they get - 10,000 points

and on and on

but the point is, any guy with a chip on his shoulder is a huge turn off and it is not worth having the guy around.

The other point is, no one is accepted or rejected for only one thing.

 

[blackrock13]

I can only speak for myself, and a few friends I discussed it with, but we have a mental score card we use to judge men, and it includes different items with different weights depending on the woman, how we feel that day, and a lot of other things. For me in general:

Guy makes me laugh +100 points
Guy makes me yawn -200 points
Guy is ugly - 25 points
Guy is short - 25 points
Guy has a chip on his shoulder because he is ugly or short -1,000 points
Guy has a chip on his shoulder and over compensates for a lack of personality - 1,000 points

Men who whine are not pleasant. they get - 10,000 points

and on and on

but the point is, any guy with a chip on his shoulder is a huge turn off and it is not worth having the guy around.

The other point is, no one is accepted or rejected for only one thing.

Another TERB lady calls you whiners, plain and simple. Is there a trend here? I haven't checked but I think this distaff members are unanimous on that point.