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Why do some sp's prefer not to see certain races?

ig-88

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Human rights does not cover dating or anything of a personal nature.

It does cover housing and employment (as mentioned in a previous post), so if you advertise a room for rent, you cannot discriminate on the basis of protected classes such as race.
 

John Henry

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Sp's see what guy's they like and guy's see what Sp's they like . Is that so bloody hard to understand .

Some people need to get a life . WOW
 

Doot

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Sp's see what guy's they like and guy's see what Sp's they like . Is that so bloody hard to understand .

Some people need to get a life . WOW
Your absolutely right. If you do not want to serve an individual then you have the right to refuse him. This goes for every business in Canada.
 

ig-88

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Your absolutely right. If you do not want to serve an individual then you have the right to refuse him. This goes for every business in Canada.
A business, especially one that provides public accommodation, can refuse service to anyone but it cannot be on the basis of race.

So, a restaurant can refuse to serve Joe Schmoe, who happens to be black, but they cannot, as a policy, refuse service to all blacks.

Usually, in such cases, if Joe Schmoe feels it was racial, would have to provide some evidence such as racial slurs used, or some systemic pattern of refusal of service to a particular race(s).
 

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A business, especially one that provides public accommodation, can refuse service to anyone but it cannot be on the basis of race.

So, a restaurant can refuse to serve Joe Schmoe, who happens to be black, but they cannot, as a policy, refuse service to all blacks.

Usually, in such cases, if Joe Schmoe feels it was racial, would have to provide some evidence such as racial slurs used, or some systemic pattern of refusal of service to a particular race(s).
So what, you can refuse every white, purple, oriental or blacks all you want. How would Joe Schmoe prove that it is racial motivated? I know establishments that refuse to serve handicapp and the disable because it distracts or slows down their business. You have the rights to do so. You want to be treated equal then you can get refused service at any establishment from ownership.
 

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So what, you can refuse every white, purple, oriental or blacks all you want. How would Joe Schmoe prove that it is racial motivated? I know establishments that refuse to serve handicapp and the disable because it distracts or slows down their business. You have the rights to do so. You want to be treated equal then you can get refused service at any establishment from ownership.
You don't have the right to do so, with a protected class such as race. Just because the people being discriminated against have a hard case to prove doesn't give you the right to do so.

But yes, Joe Schmoe does have a burden of proof. In the Denny's case in the US for example, I believe that Denny's settled out-of-court, but it was mainly scattered reports of minorities being mistreated. So, there were enough complaints to bring about a class-action lawsuit.
 

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Talk about racism! The word stereotyping comes to mind as well. This is what an uneducated person would say. Ask the ladies and you'll get a consensus on why some ladies might not see certain groups.
Stereotyping isn't a fair way to judge a person because not everyone falls in that stereotype. Having said that in my personal experience I've been around many middle eastern people who didn't have great hygiene (women included). And I've also been around a few who didn't have that problem. Not as many but then again you don't tend to notice normal smelling people compared to the smelly ones.

As far as SP preference goes, what's wrong with that?? It's a choice. Same choice I make not to see black women or avian women. It's just not my cup of tea. And yes I've been with both. But that was just to say that I sampled other fruit. Personally I've always been attracted to European women. IMO they've got the most beautiful faces / bodies. If you've ever been to Prague you'd know what I'm talking about.
 

larry

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Stereotyping isn't a fair way to judge a person because not everyone falls in that stereotype. ...
Well, it isn't fair but it is the way of the world. the only people that fight racism are white westerners. and what other criteria can a SP use in the middle of the night? bank account?
 

Lustology

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Cause they're fucking racist or they don't want one of their uncles to show up at the door :)
 

trod

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Not seeing clients from same race = SPs fear they will run into someone that knows her or her family/friends.

Not seeing clients from specific races other than her own = Bad previous experience, not physically attracted to that race enough to engage in sexual activity.

Completely understandable and fair imo. Its not racism, its preference/comfort level that comes into play in these kind of decisions.

Personally, I am very rarely attracted to black girls in real life so I don't see a black SP ( of which there aren't many here in TO I think ). A basic level of physical attraction and chemistry level is very important for me in order to enjoy the session equally with the lady. I am sure this holds true for most people in this industry, if not in real life.
 

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You don`t have the right to do so, with a protected class such as race. Just because the people being discriminated against have a hard case to prove doesn`t give you the right to do so.

But yes, Joe Schmoe does have a burden of proof. In the Denny`s case in the US for example, I believe that Denny`s settled out-of-court, but it was mainly scattered reports of minorities being mistreated. So, there were enough complaints to bring about a class-action lawsuit.
Dude, there was no class-action lawsuit for anyone getting kicked out in the Denny case. If you`re being mistreated as a patron then why would you want to go back anyways. If the business establishment does not take monetary then you can get kicked out for having bad breath.

Here is a thread earlier about trespassing and it may provide you answers.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...about-trespassing&highlight=business+kick+out
 

james t kirk

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So what would you do if you came face to face with something like this?

Sad when bad things happen to good people.
 

ig-88

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Dude, there was no class-action lawsuit for anyone getting kicked out in the Denny case. If you`re being mistreated as a patron then why would you want to go back anyways. If the business establishment does not take monetary then you can get kicked out for having bad breath.

Here is a thread earlier about trespassing and it may provide you answers.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...about-trespassing&highlight=business+kick+out
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny%27s#Racial_discrimination_lawsuits
 

ig-88

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So what would you do if you came face to face with something like this?

Sad when bad things happen to good people.
There isn't much you can do, as a good samaritan.

You could tape it with your cell phone, for one. Give the discriminated person the phone number of a good lawyer. Write down names, times, etc.

If it comes to court, offer to testify on behalf of the discriminated.

Usually, the businesses don't want bad publicity.
 

frankcastle

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Seeing as it's their body they can choose who can touch them and who cannot.

They don't need to justify it. Just like I don't have to justify my caucasin blonde fetish.
 

Rockslinger

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You could tape it with your cell phone, for one.
CTV NEWS broadcast a cellphone video to-night of riding the TTC (Sherbourne Station) while Black during New Year's. No, I don't have the vid. The TTC said they called the police but everybody had disappeared by the time they arrived.
 

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Being from a ethnic background, I don't smell bad (complimented all the time in both my personal life and when I've hobbied) as I don't eat ethnic food (food from my cultural background) a lot. This does have something to do with it as I, myself, am turned off by the scents that are released through the skin based on the food. I'm not insulted by this as I realized this a long time ago...it's not racist...it's fact that the pores of your skin does eminate the scents. Try eating garlic and find out how much you smell the next day! Having said that, it's also based on the manners of the individual. When I've spoken to SP's over the phone, they have no idea that I'm not white.

I don't sound like I just 'stepped off the boat'. I also treat them with respect. In return, I've never had an SP turn me down based on my background. I'm upfront with them and if they say no, that's fine....I move on. It's their right to see who they want and don't want to see. Yes, I've been disappointed when I was hoping to see a lady who posts that she only sees white men or has certain restrictions as to the background she sees. If so, no big deal...I move on. There's lots of beautiful women on here and some people get so out of whack about this. I know for a fact that men from my own background can be assholes to women. Lucky for me, I'm Canadian...grew up here and don't have the same mentality. Unlike others from my background who were born here and still sound/act like they stepped off the boat, I treat women with the utmost respect. Unfortunately, due to those others from my heritage who continue to treat women (SP's and non-SP's) poorly, it's reflects poorly on me when I want to meet a lady I'm attracted to. It sucks but I'm happy with the ladies I have seen and had a great time with. Just as it is our choice who we want to see, let the ladies be....they have every right to choose who they want to see. Personally, I would not want to see a woman from my own background for the same reasons....I don't like the smell of the food/spices from my background when it's eminating off the person. That's not being racist...if she smelled nice, I would have no issues. I'm sure there are some who are racist, like any other profession out there....enjoy the ones who are willing to see you instead of complaning about the ones who have preferences as to who they see. As I mentioned already, it's their choice if they want to see you or not....and they don't owe you an explanation as to their reasons. Unfortunately, those who are not white, immediately play the race card. Seriously....get over it.....learn the language (if you sound like you are fresh off the boat yet you have grown up here)....take a shower....realize that diet does affect the scents eminating from your pores. Just my $0.02 worth on this topic.
 

asterwald

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SO...this begs the question. Which race constitutes the majority of the clientele? I cannot see why any SP would want to deny the majority of her potential clients.

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