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Doc Holliday

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Komisarek has been a disaster.
He may be playing better than before but he is still shit.
I would make him a healthy scratch until he demands a trade.
The problem is that I don`t think the Leafs could give him away for free.
They would have to take some other dead money contract back in return or pay a significant chunk of his salary.
Failing to face the reality of their mistakes cost them dearly with Toskala and they should have learned their lesson.
I think you're confusing Komisarek with either Franson or Schenn.

Since he's let his hair grow (think 'SAMSON'), Komo's been very good. He was one of the best defencemen on the ice in the past couple of games. Someone made a comment that they couldn't believe he's killing penalties. Who would you rather have? Luke Schenn (who's struggled this season)? J-M Liles? Jake Gardiner?

Komo, Dion & Gunner are currently the team's best penalty killers.
 

Doc Holliday

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Yes, but something 8 out 13 other teams haven't managed to do.
Exactly! On top of that, they're currently #1 in the entire NHL in the standings.

Not bad for a 'B' team! LOL!!!!!

(It always astonishes me how so many people on this board know so little about hockey.....they should refrain from posting since the fact they do post isn't doing them any good! lol)
 

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Komisarek has been a disaster.
8th best +/- on the team.
8th highest T.O.I. on the team.



He may be playing better than before but he is still shit.
8th best +/- on the team.
8th highest T.O.I. on the team.



I would make him a healthy scratch until he demands a trade.
The man has a no movement clause in his contract, with a limited no trade clause as well. He wants to be in Toronto.


The problem is that I don`t think the Leafs could give him away for free.
Komisarek is going nowhere unless he wants to move. Do you understand the concept of what a no movement/no trade clause is?

They would have to take some other dead money contract back in return or pay a significant chunk of his salary.
So, trade your bad contract for another bad contract? Yeah, that makes sense.

Part 2, it would be contrary to the NHL CBA to pay any part of a player's salary to facilitate a trade (there are exceptions with regard to waiver claimed players).

Failing to face the reality of their mistakes cost them dearly with Toskala and they should have learned their lesson.
Every team in the NHL has made poor trades and poor F.A. signings.

Why you would introduce Toskala into this discussion (aquired by the Leafs 2 G.M.'s before Burke), and what that has to do with signing Mike Komisarek as a F.A. is beyond me.

If Mike Komisarek was making $2,500,000 or less per season this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
He was offered a big dollar contract, and signed it. Smart guy, I think.
 

Doc Holliday

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If Mike Komisarek was making $2,500,000 or less per season this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
He was offered a big dollar contract, and signed it. Smart guy, I think.
All good points. Poor Malibook. He's either very naive, grossly misinformed, or has very poor research skills. Or quite simply: he doesn't know a thing about hockey. He should stick to watching the Toronto FC & leave hockey discussions to the well informed.

p.s. I'd rather have Komo with the Leafs than with the hated Habs.
 

Malibook

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Komisarek is going nowhere unless he wants to move. Do you understand the concept of what a no movement/no trade clause is?
Yes and that is why I stated that they need to have him demand a trade.

So, trade your bad contract for another bad contract? Yeah, that makes sense.
"They would have to" does not equate `they should`.
Part 2, it would be contrary to the NHL CBA to pay any part of a player's salary to facilitate a trade (there are exceptions with regard to waiver claimed players).
My point was that they could not give Komisarek away for free.
The technicality of hypothetical incentives was not the point.



Every team in the NHL has made poor trades and poor F.A. signings.

Why you would introduce Toskala into this discussion (aquired by the Leafs 2 G.M.'s before Burke), and what that has to do with signing Mike Komisarek as a F.A. is beyond me.
Toskala is just an example of sticking with a mistake too long and not facing reality like they did with Finger. Not saying they would have necessarily made the playoffs but the Kessel trade could have looked a lot better if they took the hit and wrote off Toskala sooner.

If Mike Komisarek was making $2,500,000 or less per season this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
He was offered a big dollar contract, and signed it. Smart guy, I think.
Of course he is a smart guy and so is Finger.
Komisarek was a healthy scratch recently and for good reason, regardless of his salary.
If he was 20 years old with a lot of upside and making an entry level contract, maybe this wouldn`t be a topic of discussion.

The Leafs made a huge mistake signing Komisarek and their desire to try and save some face and get some use out of him could end up costing them more in the end.
The Leafs can afford to face the reality of such mistakes but Burkes ego can`t.
If this was the previous GM`s mistake, perhaps he could.

I really hope that I can say that Komisarek is playing well some day but I have seen nothing even remotely close to this thus far this season.
I see a lot of stupid bonehead plays, poor positioning, inactive and ineffective stick, poor skater, mediocre puck movement, insignificant shot, and just basically a profound lack of any sound hockey sense.
But he is an impressive +2 so obviously I must be dead wrong about him. :confused:
 

Doc Holliday

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But he is an impressive +2 so obviously I must be dead wrong about him.
Finally! I think that you've finally got it! It's not too late to make an informed & knowledgeable hockey fan out of you! :D
 

Rockslinger

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Ok, Pittsburg had their AA team (no Crosby) instead of their AAA team (with Crosby). Nobody can convince me that the Penguins are a better team without Crosby.
 

Ironhead

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Ok, Pittsburg had their AA team (no Crosby) instead of their AAA team (with Crosby). Nobody can convince me that the Penguins are a better team without Crosby.
AA ? AAA ? We are talking hockey not baseball.
So you want to diminish the Leafs win, as usual, over Pittsburgh ?
The Penguins did not have Crosby, but it has always been stated, here on TERB and in the local rags, that the Leafs had one top six /first line forward, Kessel, and maintain that stance even after the Connolly(at least not a first line player) signing.
The haters are always crowing that the Leafs are, at best, an AHL team.
According to the haters ...
Pittsburgh did not play their number one goalie. Leafs did not even dress their number one goalie.
Pittsburgh did not have their number one center. The Leafs do not have a number one center.
Staal did not dress for the Pens. Again the Leafs do not have anyone to compare.

Pittsburgh still a very good team, currently in first overall in the NHL, without Crosby and Staal and the Leafs beat them.
 

Rockslinger

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I want the Leafs to do well but let's be realistic. They lost to Boston, Philadelphia and last night to Ottawa. Yes, they beat a Crosby less Pittsburgh but would they have beat Pittsburgh with Crosby in the lineup? On the other hand, the Leafs are beating up on the teams they need to make the playoffs.
 

Casa_Nova

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I want the Leafs to do well but let's be realistic. They lost to Boston, Philadelphia and last night to Ottawa. Yes, they beat a Crosby less Pittsburgh but would they have beat Pittsburgh with Crosby in the lineup? On the other hand, the Leafs are beating up on the teams they need to make the playoffs.
My feeling is that in the NHL, any team maybe beaten at any given night. "Experts" had the Sens down and out this year, and all of a sudden they've won 6 in a row. With the Leafs, no one can argue that they are better this year compared to last, and that they battle and try hard every game. With the exception of the Boston game, they were in every game. I think they'll certainly compete for a playoff spot this year, and the East is certainly going to be a fun division to watch as right now I would say only Washington and Pittsburg are legit front runners. Everyone else seems kinda bunched together and anything can happen. I mean look at the standings right now. The Leafs are second in the East and Boston is last. I highly doubt this will be the same by the all start break, let alone the end of the season. Just to show how crazy this year has been so far, the Oilers are first in the West. The Oilers!
 

Doc Holliday

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I want the Leafs to do well but let's be realistic. They lost to Boston, Philadelphia and last night to Ottawa. Yes, they beat a Crosby less Pittsburgh but would they have beat Pittsburgh with Crosby in the lineup? On the other hand, the Leafs are beating up on the teams they need to make the playoffs.
The season is barely 10 games old & people are being picky in regards to which teams the Leafs beat & which ones they didn't. Unbelievable!

As for them beating Pittsburgh without Crosby in the lineup, who cares? As far as i'm concerned, he might not even play another NHL game again. If this is the case, are people still going to use this arguement five years from now?

People said the same thing about the Oilers back in the 80's. "Oh, they won because of Gretzky." However, they proved the critics wrong by winning a Cup 'without' Wayne Gretzky on their team.

Folks, Sidney Crosby is a damn good player. But he's no Gretzky. He also couldn't carry Mario Lemieux's jock strap. But as i said, in today's game, he's a damn good player. I'd still pick Ovechkin over him. But again, he's a very good player. He's one player on a hockey team. One player. And when he's not playing, the rest of the team has to up their game, and a case could be made that his absence has actually made his teammates play better.
 

Doc Holliday

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I think the Leafs use to have a "Kid Line". No, I never saw them play real time. I think Harvey "Busher" Jackson played on that line.
Indeed. The original 'Kid' line belonged to the Leafs. It consisted of Charlie Conacher, Harvey "Busher" Jackson and Joe Primeau.
 

Rockslinger

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Indeed. The original 'Kid' line belonged to the Leafs. It consisted of Charlie Conacher, Harvey "Busher" Jackson and Joe Primeau.
Harvey "Busher" Jackson was quite a character. Apparently, he loved his alcohol and his women. This delayed his entry into the hockey HOF. Not sure if this is a true story but it is said that an older and retired Jackson was seen standing outside old Maple Leaf Garden begging for spare change.

BTW: Are Charlie and Joe also in the HOF?

EDIT: According to Wikipedia, Jackson was inducted into the HOL 5 years after he passed at the relatively young age of 55.
 
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