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wet_suit_one

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Hmmmmm....

Let me just say this, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I still like fuji. He makes the board interesting.

As for that garbage above about fuji having no morals, well JAYSUS CHRIST! He's a human being just like the rest of us. Of course he has no morals. WTF?!?!!?!?

On an escort review board chattering about morals. Too fucking funny! I'm laughing my fucking ass off here people! AHAAHAHAHHAAHAHA!!!!! YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!

Shit, this thread should be on the Comedy Network!

Damn!
 

blackrock13

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Hmmmmm....

Let me just say this, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I still like fuji. He makes the board interesting.

As for that garbage above about fuji having no morals, well JAYSUS CHRIST! He's a human being just like the rest of us. Of course he has no morals. WTF?!?!!?!?

On an escort review board chattering about morals. Too fucking funny! I'm laughing my fucking ass off here people! AHAAHAHAHHAAHAHA!!!!! YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!

Shit, this thread should be on the Comedy Network!

Damn!
Am I mistaken or is this the first the first post in defense of the guest of honour, sort of?

As far as 'morals' is concerned, I could be wrong, but FUJI is the one that brings morals into the arguments more than anyone. I'm only guessing as I have to get his stuff second hand, but I'm sure some member, FUJI aside, will correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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The ultimate sin is being boring, Fuji is the only one in this thread who has interesting posts and doesn't resort to name-calling.

Carry on, dude! :thumb:
 

blackrock13

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The ultimate sin is being boring, Fuji is the only one in this thread who has interesting posts and doesn't resort to name-calling.

Carry on, dude! :thumb:
Sure, now that it's pointed out, we get a favourable response. Talk about a reflex, or is it reflux. Unless, of course, if you had your fingers crossed, we don't have to count it.
 

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Brill, your powers of selective reading are astounding. Fuji spends a great amount of energy telling dozens of posters they are childish, stupid, idiotic and all other kinds of names. Of course I admit I have called him names, I think I used pathetic loser once, but mostly I have deployed labels, like narcissist and psychopath. That's different, crucially so if you ask me, though it's not my call in the end how different readers will regard a name and a label.
I think you signed up specifically to get Fuji, that's obsessive. What was your previous handle?
 

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Oh, the tangled web the psychopath weaves. Let's watch it unfold a bit.
I see you're back to your pointless school-yard blather. I'm not going to respond to most of it, just correct a few inaccuracies:

Then John Larue says you are the type to fuck your best friends wife if you can get away with it. Lies, misrepresentations, says Fuji.
I posed a moral question: If it is OK to cheat on your wife, who is close to you, immediate family, how can it be worse to cheat on a friend, who is less close to you, and not immediate family?

He wrongly asserted that this is something I had done. In the practical, pragmatic real world it's not something I am likely to do. Primarily because the odds of getting caught doing that are just stupendously high, there's a very high probability that sooner or later your friend's wife is going to feel guilty about what she's done and confess it all to her husband, at which point it blows up into a huge mess. Not worth it.

But leaving aside the impracticalities of actually cheating with your friend's wife, I maintain that it's pretty hard to argue that it's OK to cheat sexually on your wife, but not OK to cheat sexually on your friend. Moreover by observation there are many, many people who have slept with their friend's wife or girlfriend, wife's sister, etc., it's quite common place.

JL provided the evidence that JL was jot misrepresenting, but according to Fuji
False. He asserted that I had schemed to cheat on my friend's wife, whereas I have never done so. He linked a thread on which I never said anything like that. You are wrong. You can go read it for yourself. I certainly entertained the idea as a thought experiment, just like I have in the paragraph above.

Nothing else in your post had enough maturity to be wroth responding to.
 

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Brill, your powers of selective reading are astounding. Fuji spends a great amount of energy telling dozens of posters they are childish, stupid, idiotic and all other kinds of names. Of course I admit I have called him names, I think I used pathetic loser once, but mostly I have deployed labels, like narcissist and psychopath. That's different, crucially so if you ask me, though it's not my call in the end how different readers will regard a name and a label.
In fact you've behaved like a pathetic child. You would be a lot more credible if you stuck to making arguments and dropped the childishness. You did manage that in ONE post, and I gave you credit for that, so you're CAPABLE of doing it. You're obviously choosing to be an obnoxious troll, and it's quite boring.

Edit: I note you've made TWO credible, plausible posts now, that stuck primarily to debating, in the other thread. Keep it up!
 

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I maintain that it's pretty hard to argue that it's OK to cheat sexually on your wife, but not OK to cheat sexually on your friend.
Who argued that it is ok?

Now I will argue that it is probably indeed the lesser of two evils for those who have tried very hard to improve things to no effect particularly when they have children, their spouse has a medical or mental condition etc. . . that doesn't mean those in that situation are necesarily saying it is ok, but that it is the lesser of two evils.

For me it is like my experience of divorce, I'm not arguing that it was a fantastic wonderful thing, but it was best thing to do and the lesser evil.
 

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Who argued that it is ok?

Now I will argue that it is probably indeed the lesser of two evils for those who have tried very hard to improve things to no effect particularly when they have children, their spouse has a medical or mental condition etc. . . that doesn't mean those in that situation are necesarily saying it is ok, but that it is the lesser of two evils.

For me it is like my experience of divorce, I'm not arguing that it was a fantastic wonderful thing, but it was best thing to do and the lesser evil.
So in the chain of argument here, you are still back in the Victorian era. To start working through the above thought experiment you first have to graduate from an earlier one.

Namely, you have to come to terms with the reality that almost everybody cheats. It is not deviant, or aberrant behavior. It is in fact the behavior of the majority of people, always has been, and always will be. Most of those who don't cheat only fail to do so because they lack good opportunities. There have been some genetic studies on this question that have provided strong evidence that this is so, that our DNA mixes more rapidly than monogamy would allow, and surveys of the percentage of children who are related to their father showing the same thing, further re-inforced by surveys of peoples attitudes showing a great willingness to cheat, given the right opportunity.

So you have to ask yourself, if you have a law that is violated by everyone, is that good law? Similarly, if you have a supposed moral code that is in fact routinely violated by most people, is that actually a good moral code?

In short sooner or later you're going to paint yourself into one of two corners. You can adopt the position that the majority of people on the planet are wrong and evil, and that pretty much the whole world is immoral. This is a Platonic conception: The moral idea comes first, derived from some first principles of logic, without regard to reality, and then we check to see how reality is doing, and find reality is imperfect. It's a rejection of life in favour of a purer idea. If that's what you want to do then I guess you can then go live the life of a hermit somewhere.

Alternately you can take the view that behavior that is so widely accepted is in fact acceptable, and prefer objective reality over the Platonic ideal. This is a more pragmatic, realistic, and empirical way of viewing reality, and a view that embraces life, celebrates life, values who and what we are, as opposed to who and what some abstract notion says we should be.

This shift from the Platonic ideal to the empirical reality is widely seen as one of the hallmarks in the shift from the classical to the modern, from the Victorian era to the present day. You appear to have chosen a pre-modern worldview that rejects life in favour of an ideological or theological ideal; I've chosen a modern outlook that celebrates life itself in all its complexity above all else.

I recognize that rejection of life is a valid choice, and theologically speaking, often one advocated by a variety of the world's religions. But I choose life, not rejection of life.

For those of us who choose to embrace life, then the thought experiment about cheating on your spouse, versus cheating with your friend's spouse, becomes an interesting question.
 

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Namely, you have to come to terms with the reality that almost everybody cheats.
Well SW1 could address this better I'm sure, but where do you get this idea that "almost everbody cheats" this sounds like one of those wonderful Fuji straw man justifications. Now you can probably fairly say that a majority on TERB cheat, but in Canadian Society or Western Society or even of the human race as a whole?
 

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Well SW1 could address this better I'm sure, but where do you get this idea that "almost everbody cheats" this sounds like one of those wonderful Fuji straw man justifications. Now you can probably fairly say that a majority on TERB cheat, but in Canadian Society or Western Society or even of the human race as a whole?
Could he choose a more vague value Aartie? I guess it would of course be easier to defend with it being so vague. If he had a number he would have used it.
 

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Well SW1 could address this better I'm sure, but where do you get this idea that "almost everbody cheats" this sounds like one of those wonderful Fuji straw man justifications. Now you can probably fairly say that a majority on TERB cheat, but in Canadian Society or Western Society or even of the human race as a whole?
A majority of the human race cheats sexually at some point in their life. Full on sexual intercourse outside of marriage is around 50% of males. Females cheat less, only around 26%, but I expect the progression of women's rights to correct that. Other behavior that would be considered cheating but falls short of sexual intercourse pushes the numbers much higher--so it depends how you count, and what you count. Moreover the data shows that as the opportunity to cheat rises the incidence of cheating rises dramatically, implying that very many of the people who don't cheat fail to do so only for lack of opportunity.

Perhaps I shouldn't have said "almost everybody cheats", the more accurate statement would be "almost everybody would cheat if they could cheat, and most men do".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=11770478

In any case it is behavior that is SO commonplace that it must be described as normal, mainstream, commonplace behavior. Certainly not aberrant or deviant behavior.
 

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Could he choose a more vague value Aartie? I guess it would of course be easier to defend with it being so vague. If he had a number he would have used it.
Oops, you TRIED to stick to your usual mindless cheerleading, but you failed. You actually went out on a limb and vaguely challenged me. You probably weren't smart enough to realize that of course I have a number.

In the future I recommend that you remember you are not smart enough to enter into a conversation with me, and restrict yourself to the potty humour used in your last round of cheerleading. That works better for you than trying to overstep your grade.
 

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In any case it is behavior that is SO commonplace that it must be described as normal, mainstream, commonplace behavior. Certainly not aberrant or deviant behavior.
Oh come on! You truly do like to stretch things beyond all recognition.

So if in Murderville (I can think of a number of candidates, fortunately not nearby) murder, attempted murder, aggravated assault etc. . . are frequent, this makes them normal and mainstream behavour?
 

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Oh come on! You truly do like to stretch things beyond all recognition.

So if in Murderville (I can think of a number of candidates, fortunately not nearby) murder, attempted murder, argrevated assault etc. . . are frequent, this makes them normal and mainstream behavour?
We're not talking about Murderville. We're not talking about Cheater City. We are talking about 50% of the entire American population. Anecdotally Americans are known as sexual prudes so I would expect the global figure might be higher.

And that's when you restrict the definition to sexual intercourse only. If you include other things that most people would consider cheating the number shoots up. Moreover, it shoots up dramatically as factors indicating opportunity shoot up--so higher income people cheat more than lower income people, implying that many of the lower income people would cheat if only they could cheat, and so on.
 

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We're not talking about Murderville. We're not talking about Cheater City. We are talking about 50% of the entire American population.
Study which actually shows this? Further is this single lifetime episode (perhaps deeply regretted) or serial?

Also seemingly you are admitting that it is neither "normal" nor "mainstream."
 

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It's a good example of what separates me from JohnLarue, and to some extent from you. According to the stand I've taken here on cheating there should be nothing wrong with cheating with your best friend's wife, or for that matter with fucking that 19 year old virgin from the other thread. In a purely moral sense I will defend those positions, but there are huge practical and pragmatic differences. I live a much more practical, pragmatic, and non-ideological life. JohnLarue is prone to being drawn into the most absurd positions because of his ideology. He believes something mostly sensible, like "markets are better", but fails to appreciate that it isn't a fully generalizable statement, and winds up being forced to apply it to ludicrous edge cases, and then makes a fool of himself defending that.

As I said, I live a much more pragmatic, practical, less theory driven life. I can't see any way to argue convincingly that either of those things are outright wrong, but unlike you, and unlike JohnLarue, I don't wear my ideology on my cuff. So in extreme cases like these two examples I hesitate. Not because I think it's wrong, or can think of any reason why it should be wrong, but because acting on a purely ideological basis is just too dangerous.

So for now the "fuck friends wife" will remain a thought experiment--but I challenge you to give me a convincing moral argument why it would be OK to cheat one someone very close to you, like your wife, but not OK to cheat on someone far less close to you, like a friend.
Self serving bull shit.

You implied is all OK since you would not get caught.
While I doubt it was all just a thought experiment, (who the fuck does that ? other than to fabricate a convenient excuse), however that is not the relevant point

The fact you boiled the moral issue down to a simple issue of whether you get caught or not is the real problem
Unfortunately you do not understand that such actions can have a very large and damaging affect on other parties besides your self

Pay attention Fuji
The moral issue is not if you are OK with cheating on your wife or fucking your friends wife.
The moral issue is how it affects them

I doubt a self absorbed egomaniac like yourself will ever understand this as you obviously do not give a rats ass about anyone but Fuji and never will

I will leave you with three thoughts
1. As for the moral argument between cheating on your wife or cheating on your friend?
Again a very simple answer, notwithstanding the silly way you framed the question
Be a man and be loyal to both............. That way neither of them will piss on your grave

2. I have seen many examples of cocky self confident dudes who all felt they were just too damn smart to get caught cheating on their wifes / girlfriends
Every single one of them got busted and every single one of them paid a huge price one way or another
Also just about all of them were only concerned with the fact they were caught, rather than worry about how they had hurt someone they theoretically cared about

3. However, not one of them however tried to justify their immoral actions by claiming they think on a different plane than everyone else. What a pile of crap
 

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Study which actually shows this? Further is this single lifetime episode (perhaps deeply regretted) or serial?

Also seemingly you are admitting that it is neither "normal" nor "mainstream."
Of course he doesn't have one, or it would have been posted.
 
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