Buying a new tire for flat one

WoodPeckr

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What Woodpecker's friend probably did to improve fuel economy was remove all the emissions equipment and tune the carb which would definately increase the fuel economy, but horsepower wise, he would not be at 1970 levels.
That is exactly what they did. My main concern was poor fuel economy not increasing HP. Was only getting 10-12 mpg originally. After they defeated emission controls and adjusted the carb it went back up to 12-16 mpg which was the norm then for that V-8, when gas was ~50-60¢/gal.

As far as Woodpeckr's claim about the handling of 1970's vehicles compared to todays, there is no comparison. Even a family car like the Honda Accord with the V6 can match the performance of a lot of the old muscle cars
Have to disagree here. The REAL muscle cars had 400+ cu in blocks and any of them, would even today leave a Honda Accord with the V6 in the dust. By muscle and performance I mean speed which was the only measure then.

Tires today are light years better than the old bias ply using any performance measure. I do agree though that most cars have larger tires than they need
The move to radial tires was one of the best moves ever.
 

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Tires today are light years better than the old bias ply using any performance measure. I do agree though that most cars have larger tires than they need.
Yes.

Remember driving a 63 Chevy Nova around with Bias ply tires. If you touched the gravel shoulder the car would become hard to handle. With today’s cars, can drive half on the shoulder and let go of the steering wheel and the car remains stable. The Nova had a steel dashboard, no seatbelts, and drum breaks. The 70’s cars were better, but cars today are so far superior in so many ways. People used to have grease pits in their garage as they would have to be constantly fixing those old the cars.

I do like the look of the larger tires.
 

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Brake rotor materials are inferior today in a lot of cases, not just aftermarket, but new from the manufacturer. GM's are notorious for this.
The brake rotors you buy today are softer than the ones available years ago and will not last as long. The metals are softer but this is an advantage in that it will allow better grip of the bake pad when it is braking pressure is applied. Many brake pads today are ceramic an will last 3 times as long as the old organic or metallic pads. So while the materials have changed and some parts will not last as long and other parts last much longer, the prices have come down on parts and braking efficiency has improved.

 

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The brake rotors you buy today are softer than the ones available years ago and will not last as long. The metals are softer but this is an advantage in that it will allow better grip of the bake pad when it is braking pressure is applied. Many brake pads today are ceramic an will last 3 times as long as the old organic or metallic pads. So while the materials have changed and some parts will not last as long and other parts last much longer, the prices have come down on parts and braking efficiency has improved.

An engineer once told me a perfectly designed part is one that fails at the end of its expected service life, so if a car was designed to last 5 years, the thing would self destruct at the end of 5 years. Now that of course, doesn't really happen, but manufacturers are getting better at not overengineering parts, so that is why some new design parts don't last as long. They wouldn't be able to sell new cars if they didn't break down at some point.

Like everything else on cars, braking efficiency has improved, but in my experience, prices have not come down on parts. Sure you can buy cheap rotors for $50 and pads for $25, but you won't like them because the rotors will warp and the pads will be so hard you'll lose braking performance. Good quality parts still cost money, and the newer and more expensive the car, the more the parts cost. A friend had to change the front brakes on a Cadillac CTS, and if memory serves me correctly, parts alone were $600.

As far as rotor warp, I have no doubt that manufacturers have been changing the metal composition over the years, but some car companies are able to provide rotors that don't chronically warp. In the 90's GM used to use the same braking system on a car that was 500 lbs heavier than what it was originally designed for. Those puny rotors on a full size Cadillac used to warp all the time. GM has been increasing brake size over the years, and now a 2007 Buick Allure has brakes comparable in size to a 1986 Corvette. GM however, is still behind.

I recently worked on a Mazda 3 that had obvious rotor wear, but they weren't warped. Why? Because FoMoCo gave the car rotors with a large enough diameter and width to take the heat. The rear rotors weren't vented, but they were twice the thickness of a Pontiac Grand Am.

Generally, I don't have rotors turned on my GM cars because if they have warped at their original thickness, they are more likely to warp after they've been machined. I take the money I saved in labour doing it myself and put it towards new rotors.
 

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Rotors warp when they are overheated. This can happen in stop and go city driving or on hilly roads when you have to use your brakes a lot. These days rotors have come down in price so much that it is not worth the cost, time and labor to resurface the rotors.
 

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An engineer once told me a perfectly designed part is one that fails at the end of its expected service life, so if a car was designed to last 5 years, the thing would self destruct at the end of 5 years. Now that of course, doesn't really happen, but manufacturers are getting better at not overengineering parts, so that is why some new design parts don't last as long. They wouldn't be able to sell new cars if they didn't break down at some point.
Exactly!
In the 70s rotors were thick and heavy with a high nickel content. They were made to last.

Now they are thin and lighter. When I complained about this OEMs said 'this was due to weight reduction' to improve gas mileage! BS! This was so they wear out faster, warp more easily and can't even be turned once!

OEMs make this claim of 'weight reduction to improve gas mileage', on one hand then move to 17, 18, 19, 20" tires and steel rims, that weigh almost double what the 13, 14 and 15" tires and rims used to! Just another example of OEMs talking out of both sides of their arses!.....:rolleyes:
 

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Car Kraze ? In Brampton you say ? Thanks for the hint. I have to give thought to a set of Michelin pilots and those suckers are about $500 to $600 each on the rear.
 

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"Tires are the most important component of your car. "

Actually, yes, I do agree in theory. However I would say that most people will kill themselves to fix their air conditioning as opposed to getting good brakes, tires and a decent suspension. Just the nature of people. However, if all people were required to sit in a crash test simulator for a few head on ( or side impact ) crashes at 45 km/hr or so .. they would quickly "get it".

Personally .. I go for top of the line brakes and tires.

People that go cheap .. really cheap, are the same ones that buy a cheap motocycle helmet. Because their brain is worthless also.
 

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I wonder what ever happened to this tire
 
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Have to disagree here. The REAL muscle cars had 400+ cu in blocks and any of them, would even today leave a Honda Accord with the V6 in the dust. By muscle and performance I mean speed which was the only measure then.

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If you mean top speed you're probably right.

But if you mean acceleration 0 to 100 km/h today's cars with automatic transmissions have many more gear levels, and their acceleration, at least up to 100 km/h, is a lot quicker than many older cars with their 2 and 3 speed automatics.

My measly little 2020 Hyundai Elantra with a 2.0 liter V4 and a 6 speed automatic transmission, is 8.5 seconds 0 to 100 km/h, which is certainly a lot quicker than my old 1967 Pontiac Custom Sport with a 327 cu. in. V8 motor, and a 2 speed GM Powerglide automatic transmission, which took well over 10 seconds 0 to 100.
 
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