Buying a new tire for flat one

LancsLad

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What i never understood was why did commie boy Jack (off ) Layton need to go to an asian MP(SP) when he had one at home already???? Could he have been trying to get a better price at a non union shop?????????????????????
 

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What i never understood was why did commie boy Jack (off ) Layton need to go to an asian MP(SP) when he had one at home already???? Could he have been trying to get a better price at a non union shop?????????????????????
He thought he was going to a Chinese chiropractor.
 

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You must sell tires or work for them.
That's the BS they con you with!
Bigger tires WERE FORCED on us.
We had nothing to say about it.

Back when cars used 13, 14, 15" tires they ran ~$30-$70 a piece.
Now 17, 18, 19" tires run $165-250 a piece and YOU say folks want that!!! YEAH RIGHT!!!

Your performance angle is corporate BS also.
Back in the 60s we had performance vehicles with 14 & 15 tires that STILL would run circles around these 'sissy cars' today you think are performance cars! These low profile tires forced on us today bottom out too easily and damage rims more easily also! Also they are dangerous when getting near the end of their life because they hydroplane more easily in the rain and slide more easily in the snow than conventional tires with high profiles that were used in the past!

Braking?????
Don't even get me started on how we are being raped on brakes today either! Brakes and disc brakes were made far better in the 70s than today! I had a 72 Gran Torino Sport Fastback, just like the one Clint Eastwood used in his movie Gran Torino, only it was silver like this.
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Put over 92,000 miles on it before the tranny went. I abused it a tad too much... It needed only 2 brake jobs. First at ~45000 second at ~85000 where the rotors needed to be turned for the first time and there was NO rust on them rotors yet! Did both bake jobs myself, it was unbelievably easy!

Today crappy rotors come from RED China, are too thin to be turned, start rusting the first year and your lucky to get more than 3-4 years out of them.

It came stock with 14" Wide Oval 70 series low profile tires. They were terrible in the snow and would start to hydroplane in the rain easily when ~70% of the thread was worn out. Never liked Wide Ovals and always replaced them with good standard conventional higher profile tires.
I've never seen so much unsubstantiated BS in one post in my life. Your muscle cars from the 70's wouldn't even be able to keep a modern Mustang or M3 in sight on a road course. And braking and lateral acceleration from 70's muscle cars isn't even up to todays econoboxes. I'm done listening to you. My daddy once told me never argue with an idiot. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
 

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Dont buy cheap rotors made in China and you dont have any problems.
I didn't buy commie rotors. You could see how cheap they were. They are throwaways.
Got heavier USA Bendix rotors but they still didn't last as long and warped, unlike those even heavier rotors from the early 70s which never warped a bit!

Pad material has changed no more asbestos means they wear out faster. Go for a good semi metallic or ceramic pad and they last a long time. My suburban and 3/4 ton pick up went over 100 km before needing pad changing. its all about what you buy.
Back then I only user Kevlar pads and got excellent wear from them. They came with a lifetime Warr and twice got free replacement pads for a couple vehicles I kept longer than usual. Kevlar pads were better than semi metallics because they didn't chew up your rotors like semi metallics do. Never used semi metallic pads for that reason. Now they have ceramic pads but I still liked Kevlars better....;)
 

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The era of the true american muscle car ended abruptly in 1970 with emission controls.
Not so rube!
Those emission controls in the early 70s could very easily be disconnected which most guys did to get better performance and fuel economy. It wasn't till later that emission controls were made more difficult to defeat! But being the so called muscle car expert you claim to be, you already knew this....:rolleyes:
 

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How many times do you see a car on the side of the highway with a blown out tire nowadays?

Yeah... the good old days of the redline Firestone F70 Polyglass GT bias ply tires!
Been driving since early 60s and had only 2 blowouts in all that time.
First, in the 60s with a bias ply tire, doing 65 mph on the Thruway.
Second, last Nov with these crappy low profile Firestone radials with the weak sidewalls, going 35 mph!....:eyebrows:
 

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I would have been a proctologist except i can't stand the idea of working with assholes all day.
Not true Laddie!
We remember when you could always be found circling uranus....:eyebrows:
 

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If taking off the catalytic converter is your idea of restoring the performance, then we aren't on the same level. You are a tinkerer.
Nope had a couple buddy mechanics I grew up with who defeated all the emission controls. They showed me a lot. This enabled me to save a bundle over the years in vehicle repairs and how to avoid being ripped off by shady shop mechanics, TY....;)
 

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6 out of 10 Chinese Opthamologists have cataracts.................
Isn't that a Chinese cusine?


Don't like Ceiling Cat in on this act....:eyebrows:
 

LancsLad

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Not true Laddie!
We remember when you could always be found circling uranus....:eyebrows:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You remembered.

I was just there for the salad bar, honest. Say now this segues over to the lawyer blowjob thread because if you ever got rimmed by a lawyer then it could indeed be a tossed salad bar.

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Nope had a couple buddy mechanics I grew up with who defeated all the emission controls. They showed me a lot. This enabled me to save a bundle over the years in vehicle repairs and how to avoid being ripped off by shady shop mechanics, TY
Throwing the cats it the trash is just a start



Awe how come I can no longer post a picture
 

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I had a nail cause a flat. The shop said they won't fix it because it's on the sidewall.

A new tire (just one) is $270.

1)Is there any way to get it patched?

2)Why do I need a brand new tire. Can't they just insert a new tube inside, since the tread outside is brand new?
Do a search on Kijiji.ca for a used one. you can actually get fairly new tires on there. I bought my winter tires on kijiji. Only used for one season with lots of tread left.
 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, mister know it all car expert!....

I call bullshit and challenge you to just give me a few specifics of which "emission controls" you defeated and how. And how exactly they restored the performance of a 1972 Grand Torino even to pre-1970 performance specs.
My buddies did the modifications back in 1972 while I watched. They told me what they were doing as they did it. It was only a few adjustments basically. Things were not integrated into the engine and there was no vehicle computer like today. Don't forget this was a stock street vehicle NOT one of those high-performance muscle cars you claim to be such an expert on. When they were done the fuel economy was improved somewhat. Poor fuel economy was the main complaint back then. I even wrote a nasty letter to Ford bitching about the crappy fuel economy. Ford did respond to my letter with the same BS line corporations still carp today, claiming this was all the fault of FED GOV emission regs!

In the end fuel economy ended up being made the same as my pre-1970 vehicles so I was happy. Capish gearhead?....:rolleyes:
 

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I did not think you were allowed to replace only one tire.

You can replace one tire, but there will be uneven wear on the tires over time, it is best to change both in the front of the back of the car. I know Walmart still has road hazard warranty, but you would still have to buy a second new tire to be safe. You still have the third good tire you might be able to use later when the tread wears down to the same level, then you can rotate the three tires to get longer life.

I am not sure of this but I know a few years ago Canadian Tire discontinued their road hazard warranty. They may have started to offer road hazard warranty again because of a drop in sales.
 

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My buddies did the modifications back in 1972 while I watched. They told me what they were doing as they did it. It was only a few adjustments basically. Things were not integrated into the engine and there was no vehicle computer like today. Don't forget this was a stock street vehicle NOT one of those high-performance muscle cars you claim to be such an expert on. When they were done the fuel economy was improved somewhat. Poor fuel economy was the main complaint back then. I even wrote a nasty letter to Ford bitching about the crappy fuel economy. Ford did respond to my letter with the same BS line corporations still carp today, claiming this was all the fault of FED GOV emission regs!

In the end fuel economy ended up being made the same as my pre-1970 vehicles so I was happy. Capish gearhead?....:rolleyes:
My main hobby is fixing cars and I have been doing so for 20 years. I believe that it is a combination of things that WoodPeckr and Rubmeister believe.

Cars in the early 1970's and their emissions systems were very simple and crude. Most of them were add ons like an air pump that a handy guy could easily remove or even just leave in place and remove the belt so it stopped working. Since the things weighed about 50 lbs, hot rodders removed it because it was extra weight. If a guy had some carbuerator knowledge, he could remove the extra blocks in the fuel bowl to increase performance. If he was good with carbuerators, he could replace the jets to tune the carb to get better fuel economy and performance.

As far as increasing a 1972 car to the performance of a 1970 level, it can be done, BUT not without adding a fair amount of ad ons because for Ford and Chrysler, 1972 was the year the compression dropped to 8.5 resulting in a significant horsepower loss. Tuning the carb and disconnecting the air pump which was a huge drag on the engine would likely increase fuel economy, but not too much performance.

Adding things such as headers, better cam, high rise intake and a better matched carb as well as disconnecting all of the emissions would probably bring it up to match, but solely disconnecting the emissions and tuning the original carb alone would not compensate for the large compression drop.

What Woodpecker's friend probably did to improve fuel economy was remove all the emissions equipment and tune the carb which would definately increase the fuel economy, but horsepower wise, he would not be at 1970 levels.

As far as Woodpeckr's claim about the handling of 1970's vehicles compared to todays, there is no comparison. Even a family car like the Honda Accord with the V6 can match the performance of a lot of the old muscle cars

Tires today are light years better than the old bias ply using any performance measure. I do agree though that most cars have larger tires than they need.

Brake rotor materials are inferior today in a lot of cases, not just aftermarket, but new from the manufacturer. GM's are notorious for this.
 
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