Which would mean that in this last election, many Liberals would be elected soley based on second place votes. You should go back to your claim that Canadian democracy has a lot to learn from Saudi Arabia.
What do you think of Bridgette DePape's protest
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There's nothing really wrong with being elected from 2nd place votes. It is also fair to say that is not the system that we have today.Which would mean that in this last election, many Liberals would be elected soley based on second place votes. You should go back to your claim that Canadian democracy has a lot to learn from Saudi Arabia.
Also not every NDP would be comfortable voting Liberal as a second place. There would be at least a few that would give their 2nd place vote to the Conservatives, and a fair number who would refuse to put any 2nd place choice down at all. In Quebec perhaps a lot of them would put BQ down as 2nd.
Still, having said the above, it is equally fair to point out that while Harper has a majority of the seats, it would be stupid of him to walk around talking like his policies attracted the votes of a majority of Canadians. His platform has only minority support among the population and quite clearly the other 60% of the population has views further to the left of the Conservatives.
On this we agree Fast. I believe the same math was tried with a police survey not long ago. If you used the word main in your observation it would more correct although there has been 4 main parties for the last 20 years, until recently.Can we get something straight here, our country has 3 (main) parties, NONE of the parties that LOST, got more than 40% of the vote.
The conservatives got MORE votes than any of the other parties.
Lumping the 2 other parties together is ridiculous.
The kid probably hasn't WORKED a day in her life.
FAST
As for her work history, I doubt you get to be a Senate paige by showing your a couch potato and a do-nothing drain on society.
She had a pretty good job which she sacrificed for her beliefs. Protest and doing all she has done takes a LOT of initiative. So FAST I think you are being a bit slow. You are not lumping votes together, you are giving people a first and second choice. I would say 2nd choice votes for the libs would split 60/40 for the conservatives. Many libs do NOT like the NDP.Can we get something straight here, our country has 3 parties, NONE of the parties that LOST, got more than 40% of the vote.
The conservatives got MORE votes than any of the other parties.
Lumping the 2 other parties together is ridiculous.
The kid probably hasn't WORKED a day in her life.
FAST
I don't want the runner up to lead this country. Mind you, somebody might say, 'how Canadian'.She had a pretty good job which she sacrificed for her beliefs. Protest and doing all she has done takes a LOT of initiative. So FAST I think you are being a bit slow. You are not lumping votes together, you are giving people a first and second choice. I would say 2nd choice votes for the libs would split 60/40 for the conservatives. Many libs do NOT like the NDP.
Which would mean that in this last election, many Liberals would be elected soley based on second place votes. You should go back to your claim that Canadian democracy has a lot to learn from Saudi Arabia.
I'm not so sure the Libs would have won. Many libs would have put the cons as 2nd place..which may have resulted in a even stronger Conservative victory. I still would have been more comfortable with that outcome as it would have been more democratic.
Ditto that.i hate harper and i think she's an idiot.
It's called Democracy and Harper won fair and square. If she doesn't like him for whatever reason, I suggest any number of different mediums to express that criticism, but not the stunt she pulled.
Young people (for the most part) are kinda stupid. It's just lack of experience and being dependant. I admit I was too. I was quite the radical liberal back in the day. Even communist as many would scream nowadays. As I got older, I started to go more conservative. I still listen to some of the punk and rock music from those days, but that's about it.I think her calling for an Arab spring is a bit far fetched. Young people need to open their eyes and see that though Canada may have it's faults, it's still an incredibly free society. Unlike the countries where people protesting their governments get shot in the street.
They would not be the runner up, they would be the winner with the broadest support in the country. Even with people who picked them as a second choice they would have some appeal. The so called "winner" right now was not selected in any way by 60% of voters.I don't want the runner up to lead this country. Mind you, somebody might say, 'how Canadian'.
Notty it is clear as day you don't want a democracy, you want a system of government that only elects those who share your political views.They would not be the runner up, they would be the winner with the broadest support in the country. Even with people who picked them as a second choice they would have some appeal. The so called "winner" right now was not selected in any way by 60% of voters.
I think electoral reform would be a good thing in the longer run. Calling for an Arab Spring is just rhetoric. I doubt many people want a total change to our system of govt. Just some tweaking would restore the viability of our democracy for several generations.I think her calling for an Arab spring is a bit far fetched. Young people need to open their eyes and see that though Canada may have it's faults, it's still an incredibly free society. Unlike the countries where people protesting their governments get shot in the street.
If the liberals or NDP had gotten into power would she still stand on this electoral reform value she holds so dear?
Notty it is clear as day you don't want a democracy, you want a system of government that only elects those who share your political views.
Why would that be the case? As someone pointed out one of the few governments in Canada to win by a clear majority in recent history was the Conservative Government of Brian Mulroney... believe it or not I have voted Conservative once in the past.
So far as I know she hasn't called for electoral reform. She asserted that Harper's policies were a threat to Canada and noted that he got a minority of votes. She stopped short of calling for electoral reform, and appears to have delivered only a call to action to the 60% of Canadians who did not vote for Harper to make themselves heard.If the liberals or NDP had gotten into power would she still stand on this electoral reform value she holds so dear?
It's others who have turned her statement into a call for electoral reform. It isn't clear if Bridgette herself believes in that, or at least, it wasn't clear from the public statement she made at the time. I don't know what she might have said since.
Electoral reform is not what she has asked for. Just opposition to Harper and mentioning the popular vote to voice her belief that he does not have a public support to enact whatever policies he wishes, even if he does have the seats.So far as I know she hasn't called for electoral reform. She asserted that Harper's policies were a threat to Canada and noted that he got a minority of votes. She stopped short of calling for electoral reform, and appears to have delivered only a call to action to the 60% of Canadians who did not vote for Harper to make themselves heard.
It's others who have turned her statement into a call for electoral reform. It isn't clear if Bridgette herself believes in that, or at least, it wasn't clear from the public statement she made at the time. I don't know what she might have said since.
Actually our country has five parties in the house......
Can we get something straight here, our country has 3 parties, NONE of the parties that LOST, got more than 40% of the vote.
The conservatives got MORE votes than any of the other parties.
Lumping the 2 other parties together is ridiculous.
The kid probably hasn't WORKED a day in her life.
FAST
The NDP picked up more traditional Liberal voters in the recent election than did the Cons. That being said we have a Neo-Con party governing our country not a conservative party.
She had a pretty good job which she sacrificed for her beliefs. Protest and doing all she has done takes a LOT of initiative. So FAST I think you are being a bit slow. You are not lumping votes together, you are giving people a first and second choice. I would say 2nd choice votes for the libs would split 60/40 for the conservatives. Many libs do NOT like the NDP.
Harper won a false majority. 39.6% of voters and about 25% of eligible voters. What she did was nothing short of heroic. We need more direct action going forward.
Ditto that.
It's called Democracy and Harper won fair and square. If she doesn't like him for whatever reason, I suggest any number of different mediums to express that criticism, but not the stunt she pulled.
So far as I know she hasn't called for electoral reform. She asserted that Harper's policies were a threat to Canada and noted that he got a minority of votes. She stopped short of calling for electoral reform, and appears to have delivered only a call to action to the 60% of Canadians who did not vote for Harper to make themselves heard.
It's others who have turned her statement into a call for electoral reform. It isn't clear if Bridgette herself believes in that, or at least, it wasn't clear from the public statement she made at the time. I don't know what she might have said since.
I believe you are correct Fuji. She did not say anything about electoral reform. I believe she is too immature to take such a position. Had she said it, i would probably have more respect for her than I do now. At least she would have been making a statement about something! But to disrupt the house simply because the party you voted for did not get elected is stupid and immature. It's just like all the other liberals we have to listen to now, on this board as well as mainstream media, that are saying we need electoral reform. This has only been an issue since the conservatives started winning elections. While the Liberals were in power, there was no need for electoral reform.
I love how the Liberals, seeing that they can't win the game using the traditional rules, now attempt to change the rules to play to their strengths. Grow up children!! Harper is the Prime Minister. And I, for one, am happy that we find ourselves in a new political landscape where the Prime Minister of this country does not need to hail from Quebec. Thank you Mr. Harper!!
I sure would like to see how you came to this conclusion as even those who live eat and breath politics daily can't seem to come to to that conclusion.The NDP picked up more traditional Liberal voters in the recent election than did the Cons. That being said we have a Neo-Con party governing our country not a conservative party.
It not a false majority as inside the guidelines of Canadian FPP electoral system that we have we use for a looooooooooong time, he won the majority of the seats. In the history of Canada, since 3+ parties took part, ~1925, there are only about half of the governments where the winning party took over 50% or more of the vote cast and even fewer when you consider the actual percentage of voters.Harper won a false majority. 39.6% of voters and about 25% of eligible voters. What she did was nothing short of heroic. We need more direct action going forward.
If someone's chosen not to vote, it's their democratic right, but too bad. I suspect they won't vote in any system, especially another one where your second choice might form the government.
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I can't believe I'm going to say this.....I sure would like to see how you came to this conclusion as even those who live eat and breath politics daily can't seem to come to to that conclusion.
It not a false majority as in side the guidelines of Canadian FPP electoral system that we have we use for a looooooooooong time, he won the majority of the seats. In the history of Canada, since 3+ parties took part, since ~1925, there are only about half of the governments where the winning party took over 50% or more of the vote cast and even fewer when you consider the actual percentage of voters.
If someone's chosen not to vote, they their democratic right, but too bad. I suspect they won't vote in any system, especially another one where your second choice might form the government.
Ya blackrock... you tell 'em!!!
