Everything works ...until it doesn't. The British system has evolved quite a bit while Canada remains in the stone age. The Saudi system works a lot better then many other countries as well, does that mean they should not aspire to improving? Having a more representative system would result in a more stable and less contentious system. People would support the govt more if they felt it had greater legitimacy and if their vote wasn't wasted by voting for the loser.
What do you think of Bridgette DePape's protest
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Everything works ...until it doesn't. The British system has evolved quite a bit while Canada remains in the stone age. The Saudi system works a lot better then many other countries as well, does that mean they should not aspire to improving? Having a more representative system would result in a more stable and less contentious system. People would support the govt more if they felt it had greater legitimacy and if their vote wasn't wasted by voting for the loser.
It's not that terribly difficult a concept. You had a vote to see who would represent the riding and he/she got more votes than anyone else. See simple. Now go back to sleep and worry about a system that gives the right to vote based on taxes paid.
So you want another party with even less % of the vote in power? Wouldn't that be more pathetic? Even more dictatorial?
A long as you have more than two party models you will always have that. Even in the US model you have approximately a third of the voters not aligned and basically holding their noses and vote for the party closest to their values they have, not really supporting them.
I liked Mark Steyn's take on the DePape silliness (http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/4136/26/), partcularly this line:
What the F! are you going on about? The Saudi system (royal dictatorship) is a beacon system? I guess that's true if you aspire to being in a despotic society that gives no rights to women or anyone else not rich and Saudi for generations.
No I was just pointing out that just because our system is somewhat functional does not mean it cannot be improved.
It is an idiotic statement. I don't see her comparing Harper to Mubarak. When do you consider yourself to be oppressed? In many cases it is when the minority rule over the majority...like in Canada.
I have to admit, she looks pretty hot here:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...--protesting-page-headlines-ottawa-march?bn=1
I would get lots of votes in that case, if you are saying it is the system, then that is pretty much the same as some Chinese representative saying "I am legitimate because I was appointed by the party"
This argument that says that Harper's government is illegitimate because 60% voted against him is the most stupid argument I've heard in a long time. The fact of the matter is that 40% of the people voted for the Tories. That's more than voted for any other party. When you have more than two significant parties, it would be very rare that the governing party would ever get more than 50% of the votes.
It makes me laugh how all the left wing kooks want electoral reform when they lose power for any significant period of time. I love that Harper just killed the vote subsidy for political parties. The Liberals are now on their death bed. They deserve to go anyway. They have completely lost touch with the populace and are bereft of ideas.
Soon we will have only an extreme right party and an extreme left party. Because there will be only two parties, both will be strong and they will keep each other honest. The will compromise on middle of the road policies. I love democracy.
Nottyboi, a left wing kook? You are certifiably out of your mind. You've just showing how much you don't know and simply spout shite. Notyboi has his flaws and can and has been called many things, but that is not one of them. You haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about. pleas return to the rock you crawled out from under.
In her press release, she said, "This country needs a Canadian version of an Arab Spring...".
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ins.../paging-security-throne-speech-protestor.html
Such a scenario would be terrible for this country, with extreme swings from left to right at each election. Only an idiot would think that would be good for the country. I've supported electoral reform for a long time regardless of who is in power.
Kook I will agree is too strong, loveable nut is better. But are you trying to say that he doesn't post from left of center?
More laughing matters: We note the CPOC is, even as we speak, embroiled in an electoral reform controversy at their convention. Should they switch to one member one vote, or stick to the equal votes for each riding system they have now. Harpo's Reform Rumpers want the every 'member's vote counts equally [PR]' version; McKay's Progressive-Con Rump wants to stick to the FPTP system, where smaller ridings don't get swamped by huge ones.
Electoral reform always looks attractive when it benefits you; we'll see if Harpo's zeal to make things fair, by making every person's vote equal, extends to the system that put him in power with less than 40% of the votes. My riding elected Layton. The Liberal runner-up got enough votes to have been the unanimous choice in a big PEI, or northern Saskatchewan riding. Variations are way too big to be fair; the proposed adjustments are not only a decade overdue but piddling and half-hearted.
And, like Harpo's proposed Senate elections, they do not accomplish 'one citizen, one eqal vote'. Then there's PR which does.
Left of center is one thing, but that doesn't make him left wing. He has mellowed lately. It must be age catching up to him. Even the Liberals are left of center a great deal of time, relative to the rest of the world. Our whole country is considered left of center, giving rise to our political systems definition.
It will be interesting what the Conservatives take on eliminating the party funding,when they are on the short end of the stick. This will come back and bite them bad.
As far as the Liberal party being on his death bed, I wonder how old Nightie is, because he seems to have forgotten the Conservatives back in 1984(?) taking 211 seat and leaving the Liberals with 40 seats. Then what happened in the not too distance future, after 2 terms of Conservative rule, they were almost completely wiped off the electoral map with TWO seats and a Liberal majority government. I'll repeat that for the slow people in the audience TWO seats.
Nightie might not be old enough to remember Prime Minister Deifenbaker's similar fall from gracefrom a '58 maority to a thumping fall in '63, infantile amnesia being what it is, but Deif'' lost almost 60% of his seats held after the first election and they went, no surprise, to no one to the Liberals who won a majority.
Interesting that I was describing much larger Conservative Party defeats.
Nightie's ignorance is gaining Woodie status.
Shhhh! Nightie going to go off on a rant about them and might call them left wing kooks.
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