The second article misstates what the Pope said. The first quotes it directly.
I am sure an academic like yourself understands why they call it a primary source. The quote is clear. Your childish hatred blinds you.
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I am sure an academic like yourself understands why they call it a primary source. The quote is clear. Your childish hatred blinds you.
And just to show how wrong you are and point out another or your lies, please enjoy the official catholic position on salvation:
http://www.ancient-future.net/prots.html
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html
Which clearly states the non-Catholics can be saved.
The truth must really annoy you eh CM? Care to lie some more?
http://www.ancient-future.net/prots.html
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html
Which clearly states the non-Catholics can be saved.
The truth must really annoy you eh CM? Care to lie some more?
This last exchange proves an old maxim that hate grows out of ignorance.
CM was, once again, completely wrong in his understanding of Christian doctrine and ended up with backwards reasoning.
He decided he did not like the group and then inaccurately attributed a negative characteristic to them. Typical bigotry from an ignorant man against an identifiable group.
At least now we can be certain what kind of person we are dealing with in CM.
CM was, once again, completely wrong in his understanding of Christian doctrine and ended up with backwards reasoning.
He decided he did not like the group and then inaccurately attributed a negative characteristic to them. Typical bigotry from an ignorant man against an identifiable group.
At least now we can be certain what kind of person we are dealing with in CM.
So what did you have in mind, canada-man??! A little pogrom??
Or how about another holocaust genocide to get rid of all those annoying Catholics and Christians??!!
You know you want to, and if you had the means like Hitler did you'd already be rounding them up by now
Or how about another holocaust genocide to get rid of all those annoying Catholics and Christians??!!
You know you want to, and if you had the means like Hitler did you'd already be rounding them up by now
Inappropriate Test Prep: Baltimore Principal Leads Students In Prayer
“As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school.”
That’s an aphorism I’ve seen often on bumper stickers and t-shirts, but I never thought public school officials would adopt it as a matter of official policy.
The Baltimore Sun reported yesterday that Principal Jael Yon of Northeast Baltimore’s Tench Tilghman Elementary/Middle School scheduled a special prayer service in preparation for state-mandated tests.
According to the newspaper, “For two years, prayer services have been held at Northeast Baltimore’s Tench Tilghman Elementary/Middle School as the Maryland School Assessments, a standardized test for third through eighth grades, neared. Fliers promoted the most recent event, on March 5, as a way to ‘come together, as one, in prayer and ask God to bless our school to pass the MSA.’”
The Sun said the 30-minute prayer service marked the” culmination of Saturday classes the school has held to provide additional preparation for the Maryland School Assessments. The flier, which included images of praying hands and cited common Christian Bible verses, was distributed to staff to circulate to the school’s 400 students and their families.”
Civil liberties experts quickly pointed out that the Supreme Court ruled long ago that public schools cannot promote prayer and other forms of worship. That would violate the constitutional separation of church and state. Top school officials agreed that Yon’s intervention in religion was “not appropriate” and promised to investigate.
That didn’t go over well with some. Jimmy Gittings, president of the city principals’ union, told The Sun he supported his colleague’s move.
“The only individuals I hold accountable for these injustices for Ms. Yon are the narrow-minded politicians from some 50 years ago, for removing prayer from our schools,” Gittings blustered. “Once prayer was removed from our schools, the respect for our teachers and administrators has been increasingly out of control.”
I don’t know which is more surprising: that one public school principal would think it’s okay to turn her public school into a church or that another would have such a warped view of constitutional history.
Sorry, Principal Gittings, it wasn’t “narrow-minded politicians” who “removed” prayer from our schools. It was the U.S. Supreme Court, which has ruled repeatedly that the Constitution forbids government officials, including public school teachers and administrators, to intrude into children’s religious upbringing. Parents should decide what instruction their children get about religion.
And, furthermore, the high court didn’t “remove” prayer; it simply barred school officials from dictating it. Students are still quite free to engage in personal devotions as long as they aren’t interfering with the rights of others (or doing it while they’re supposed to be studying for standardized tests).
Principal Gittings has been reading too much Religious Right propaganda. If student respect for teachers and administrators has declined, it’s not because of the Supreme Court’s prayer rulings. The idea that some sort of school-mandated, watered-down rote prayer is going to instill respect in students is simply ridiculous.
I suspect that The Sun article will quickly result in a correction of Baltimore school practices regarding religion. We’ll be keeping an eye on things to make sure.
In the mean time, if Principals Yon and Gittings want sound information on the law governing religion and public schools, they can check out a recent book on the topic on the AU website. Anne Marie Lofaso’s Religion in the Public Schools: A Road Map for Avoiding Lawsuits and Respecting Parents’ Legal Rights covers this issue and many more. You can download it for free!
http://blog.au.org/2011/03/14/inappropriate-test-prep-baltimore-principal-leads-students-in-prayer/
“As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school.”
That’s an aphorism I’ve seen often on bumper stickers and t-shirts, but I never thought public school officials would adopt it as a matter of official policy.
The Baltimore Sun reported yesterday that Principal Jael Yon of Northeast Baltimore’s Tench Tilghman Elementary/Middle School scheduled a special prayer service in preparation for state-mandated tests.
According to the newspaper, “For two years, prayer services have been held at Northeast Baltimore’s Tench Tilghman Elementary/Middle School as the Maryland School Assessments, a standardized test for third through eighth grades, neared. Fliers promoted the most recent event, on March 5, as a way to ‘come together, as one, in prayer and ask God to bless our school to pass the MSA.’”
The Sun said the 30-minute prayer service marked the” culmination of Saturday classes the school has held to provide additional preparation for the Maryland School Assessments. The flier, which included images of praying hands and cited common Christian Bible verses, was distributed to staff to circulate to the school’s 400 students and their families.”
Civil liberties experts quickly pointed out that the Supreme Court ruled long ago that public schools cannot promote prayer and other forms of worship. That would violate the constitutional separation of church and state. Top school officials agreed that Yon’s intervention in religion was “not appropriate” and promised to investigate.
That didn’t go over well with some. Jimmy Gittings, president of the city principals’ union, told The Sun he supported his colleague’s move.
“The only individuals I hold accountable for these injustices for Ms. Yon are the narrow-minded politicians from some 50 years ago, for removing prayer from our schools,” Gittings blustered. “Once prayer was removed from our schools, the respect for our teachers and administrators has been increasingly out of control.”
I don’t know which is more surprising: that one public school principal would think it’s okay to turn her public school into a church or that another would have such a warped view of constitutional history.
Sorry, Principal Gittings, it wasn’t “narrow-minded politicians” who “removed” prayer from our schools. It was the U.S. Supreme Court, which has ruled repeatedly that the Constitution forbids government officials, including public school teachers and administrators, to intrude into children’s religious upbringing. Parents should decide what instruction their children get about religion.
And, furthermore, the high court didn’t “remove” prayer; it simply barred school officials from dictating it. Students are still quite free to engage in personal devotions as long as they aren’t interfering with the rights of others (or doing it while they’re supposed to be studying for standardized tests).
Principal Gittings has been reading too much Religious Right propaganda. If student respect for teachers and administrators has declined, it’s not because of the Supreme Court’s prayer rulings. The idea that some sort of school-mandated, watered-down rote prayer is going to instill respect in students is simply ridiculous.
I suspect that The Sun article will quickly result in a correction of Baltimore school practices regarding religion. We’ll be keeping an eye on things to make sure.
In the mean time, if Principals Yon and Gittings want sound information on the law governing religion and public schools, they can check out a recent book on the topic on the AU website. Anne Marie Lofaso’s Religion in the Public Schools: A Road Map for Avoiding Lawsuits and Respecting Parents’ Legal Rights covers this issue and many more. You can download it for free!
http://blog.au.org/2011/03/14/inappropriate-test-prep-baltimore-principal-leads-students-in-prayer/
Same shite different day. Nice C&P, but the blog is from one person in an organization who sole purpose is to dig up nickel and dime shite like this ffs, and this is about a single case in Baltimore. You can continue to do this until you're blue in the face, but it won't strengthen your position.
CM if you ever want to have the least bit of credibility or have people care about what you post on this subject you need to do two things:
1) man up and apologize for the lies you have told, and misstatements you have made. We don't forget just because you disappear for a few days.
2) actually put in some useful input. You just cut and paste shit you don't understand because you don't care about the facts.
No one on this board has disagreed about the separation of church and state. You are just making a fool of yourself.
Has hiding behind an internet account made you abandon all of your pride? Do you have any left?
1) man up and apologize for the lies you have told, and misstatements you have made. We don't forget just because you disappear for a few days.
2) actually put in some useful input. You just cut and paste shit you don't understand because you don't care about the facts.
No one on this board has disagreed about the separation of church and state. You are just making a fool of yourself.
Has hiding behind an internet account made you abandon all of your pride? Do you have any left?
How disingenuous, is the blogger (and CM) familar with Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000)
Well said!
The neat thing I find about Catholicism is that if you take aways the imaginary friend, the ideas hold up pretty good or at least make meaningful sense to me. Once you put it the theocratic dictatorship that gets its writ to rule from the compatriot of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (whichever one you want works), it all starts losing its coherence and going to hell in handbasket. Throw in the cover ups of child abuse and I just can't really support it anymore. All belief in imaginary friends on this institutional scale of such power and influence is fucking retarded.
GET A GRIP PEOPLE! THIS IS FUCKING STUPIDITY!
Sigh...
It will never happen though. We're human. This kind of stupidity is built right into us. No other conclusion is possible. Hell, just look at the atheists! Then look at every other believer of every sort (and there are schwacks and schwacks of them). There's no cure. We are fucking insane by nature.
Ah well, it's cheaper than street drugs, so enjoy it. I guess...
I might agree that it's a indication of a more complex thought process, but to make it a trait in evolution is a bit of a stretch. So much of earliest man time and energy was to get food, protect the family, and procreate, but evidence of ceremonial burials comes to light with the neanderthal period. There's no record of what/who they believed in, but burial practices tend to show something was being considered. Was it a survival technique to give answers to the unknown, who knows?
More likely the common human reaction of ascribing falsehoods to describe natural phenomena one does not understand.
Humans have self reflection. Religion is one of the numerous outcomes of that ability.
They didn't know they were wrong. It sounded fine to them. It's kind of like if you think it's a true story and you tell the story are you lying when it's shown to be untrue? A long time conundrum
It's not much of a conundrum in religion as it is very hard to prove that God is "untrue".
Tried that back '76, and realized it's a mugs game. When the Christians say, 'since you can't prove that God doesn't exit, then of course that means he must,' there was a giant rip in the logic universe somewhere after that one, but she was so cute I listened to her trying to convert me for the whole three day weekend.
Karl Marx said Religion is the Opiate of the Masses....
Fitting sign in front of a Baptist church:
"Religious suffering is. . . the expression of real suffering . . .
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world."
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world."
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