Is the police funeral over the top?
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I really don't get the point your trying to make you don't' care blah blah ok then that's your opinion that you don't care when others die
There are no MADD ride programs on St. Patrick's day eitherwow, no traffic tickets today?
I am really getting sick of all the "goody goody" kiss-asses around here. The guy may have been a good guy / family man etc. but have to admit the funeral (for the last time) was overkill.
finally someone makes sense I personally know people that wanted to go and show their respects
they even said on the news how many neighbours and others that didn't know him but were touched
by the story that went to show their support
no it wasn't over kill your just bitter relax have a coffee watch the news
Do you really want me to feel sorry for the death of someone that I never met? I am not happy about it but I can't say that I lost sleep over it last night. I listened to the news, and I said oh well...I really do feel sorry for the baby as I have a little one myself and I can relate but honestly I am indifferent about the guy's death. And I really don't buy into the bullshit that he died protecting me. He was a guy doing his job and an accident happened. Why does the fact that he was a cop change anything?
Naaah, if they hung him they may have actually prevented it from happening again.
They should have caught him and try to help him with his problems. Maybe put him in jail but protect him from other inmates, so he could write a book about his life and actually become someone. Then he could get out in a few years and go berzerk again.
Sarge, that was NO accident. It seems like he was targeted because he was just a cop doing his job.
The above does sound more than a bit like why do we need police, everyone for themselves.
Perhaps you wish that the truck and driver were still smashing their way across Toronto without a care in the world?
Funeral over the top. Channel 24 bringing nothing else most of the day. Police force quite powerful in Toronto. Great for the media to make it even bigger. Other people dying at their dangerous jobs just as important. Costly for the tax payer. The percentage of our city budget for policing going up percentagewise since the 50s. Crime increased with drugs etc making police even a more important force to have.
Well then, you know what to do, just like no one is forcing them to be cops, no one is forcing you to be on this board. If you can't handle other opinions contrary to yours, you can leave. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, C YA.
As for all those guys who keep saying the funeral is over the top, do you all think the organizers sat down and decided to send out invitations to attend? They guaged the public sentiment and knew this was going to be a large turnout and wanted to accomodate as many of the public as they could.
The other police forces throughout North America and fire fighters and emergency response teams all came on their own volition, this is quite common when one of them gets killed in the line of duty. They were not forced or asked to attend, it just happened that more than normal attended for this funeral. It turned out to be a very large funeral, the largest in Canada for a police officer, so what, that's the way it happened since there was a large volunteer turnout by the public and other forces. Give it a rest.
Fark, I go away for the day and the loonies are let loose.
I can only really speak for Peel Regional, Metro and the OPP, forces I have connections with close to TO, but the officers don't get paid to go, they go on their own time, going before or after their regular shifts covered by other officers for any overlap. Any officers that want to go, but are on schedule are easily able to get others to cover their shifts. Those that take this extra work on quite often take the money they earn and donate it to the family of the fallen officer. so far no extra cost. As for the out of town officers I can't speak of covering travel and hotels, although most hotels give substantial savings to police officers. I saw cruisers from a number of other towns, so they didn't fly.
I'm sure if there was a rush of criminal activity during this ceremony nuttyboi would have peeled himself away from his scanners and reported it to us.
The cost of this kind of mass funeral procession is not as much as you would think beyond the regular cost of a good size funeral. Funeral Home services, flowers, casket, hearses, and limos, all in normal range. They didn't have pay for an organist or for clergy today, so a savings.
Half the down town core was not closed down as one poster claimed, just 4 km stretch of a road and a large traffic jam the bottom of University Ave and Front St for about an hour. Not much difference than a Santa Claus parade, Saturday night at the ACC or a Sunday afternoon CFL game at the Rogers center. I doubt many businesses on that route are going to complain to City Hall about a loss of business.
The only major cost MIGHT be the rental for the use of the Halls D,E,F, and G at the MTCC. I have no idea what they would go for, but being that it's a Municipal building you can't count out a staff rate. I am quite familiar with the top 6 companies that would be approached to do the job of making the service run smoothly at the MTCC, with regards to A/V, lighting, and sound, including the in-house production company Showtech. The companies would probably pay their staff for the work done, and 'might' choose not charge the client/family for anything or would not charge for rental of the hardware; ultimately discounting the contract by 65-100%. There are few places in Toronto that can hold 10,000 people comfortably.
The fact that a few thousands co workers, friends, and family want to attend, pay their respects, and show support to the family is whose fault. Who's going to stand up and say we're sorry, you can't come.
Supporting the family is the number one purpose of this kind of celebration.
I can only really speak for Peel Regional, Metro and the OPP, forces I have connections with close to TO, but the officers don't get paid to go, they go on their own time, going before or after their regular shifts covered by other officers for any overlap. Any officers that want to go, but are on schedule are easily able to get others to cover their shifts. Those that take this extra work on quite often take the money they earn and donate it to the family of the fallen officer. so far no extra cost. As for the out of town officers I can't speak of covering travel and hotels, although most hotels give substantial savings to police officers. I saw cruisers from a number of other towns, so they didn't fly.
I'm sure if there was a rush of criminal activity during this ceremony nuttyboi would have peeled himself away from his scanners and reported it to us.
The cost of this kind of mass funeral procession is not as much as you would think beyond the regular cost of a good size funeral. Funeral Home services, flowers, casket, hearses, and limos, all in normal range. They didn't have pay for an organist or for clergy today, so a savings.
Half the down town core was not closed down as one poster claimed, just 4 km stretch of a road and a large traffic jam the bottom of University Ave and Front St for about an hour. Not much difference than a Santa Claus parade, Saturday night at the ACC or a Sunday afternoon CFL game at the Rogers center. I doubt many businesses on that route are going to complain to City Hall about a loss of business.
The only major cost MIGHT be the rental for the use of the Halls D,E,F, and G at the MTCC. I have no idea what they would go for, but being that it's a Municipal building you can't count out a staff rate. I am quite familiar with the top 6 companies that would be approached to do the job of making the service run smoothly at the MTCC, with regards to A/V, lighting, and sound, including the in-house production company Showtech. The companies would probably pay their staff for the work done, and 'might' choose not charge the client/family for anything or would not charge for rental of the hardware; ultimately discounting the contract by 65-100%. There are few places in Toronto that can hold 10,000 people comfortably.
The fact that a few thousands co workers, friends, and family want to attend, pay their respects, and show support to the family is whose fault. Who's going to stand up and say we're sorry, you can't come.
Supporting the family is the number one purpose of this kind of celebration.
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I'm not a cop because, as an Aboriginal person, I don't want to be part of a "little boys club" that has a well known history for opressing my people. For me, to be a willing part of that opression would be like being a traitor, a turncoat to my people. Nothing would ever make me stoop that low.
I generally don't comment on the police threads on Terb. As always, it is a polarizing subject, with those on both sides being adamant that their view is correct. You are not going to convince someone of the opposite viewpoint to change their mind, but those who voice their dislike of the police forces often compare their jobs to other high risk jobs. I have worked in one of the high risk occupations, and still work with people who do so on a daily basis. I have come close to losing my life due to the accidents and unsafe acts of other people while doing my job. Co - workers have died or sustained serious injuries on jobs I worked on over the past 25 years.
I think a big difference is the issue of risk/safety controllability. The iron workers, firefighters and others have safety rules and regulations that prevent them from performing any unsafe acts. They have PPE equipment, procedures and training to ensure their safety and well being. We try to ensure they have a safe work environment. The police have equipment to protect them too, but they often encounter volatile situations where the intent of the person or people they encounter is to harm them. Some of the posters here have been saying that the police are well paid and they seem to think that justifies them walking into a situation where they have to face someone high on drugs, mentally deranged, armed with a knife, gun, or other weapon. I'm sure there are many people here who make as much as or more than the police do, what has that have to do with anything? The cops must be shitting themselves as much as anyone else would in this situation, but they go forward when most of us would be going in the other direction.
I am not a blind cheerleader for the cops, I know that there are some who join for their own benefit, I have dealt with some officers and thought to myself that they were arrogant and aloof and I think many people have a dislike for them due to their standoffish attitude. That is probably something else that happens to them over time. They deal with society's dregs, are lied to on a daily basis and after some time feel that they can only trust other cops. I have gone for drinks at their club, where they can be themselves and have seen them with their guard down. Just regular guys having a drink and a laugh.
I have come to the assistance of an officer struggling to take down a combatative suspect, no matter how much training they have, they are still vulnerable in these situations. ( I just Googled to look for info on the female officer who was stabbed and almost killed in Victoria on Monday, and was offered at least 8 links to different incidents of other officers being stabbed) Again, the difference between their jobs and other high risk jobs is that people are sometimes willfully attempting to inflict harm on them.
If someone with a weapon breaks into my home, I can call 911 and have someone come to my assistance. Will it be someone who joined because he liked the uniform, the perks, or the desire to make the world a safer place? It doesn't matter at that moment, because he or she will be there to help, more than all the armchair quarterbacks in the world.
Yes, doctors save lives, fishermen and farmers feed us. Some of those things we could do for ourselves. Without police, would you want to live with anarchy? Without police I wouldn't want to re-live the wild west or worry about my safety each time I leave my necessarily heavily guarded home.
I work close to where the police officers were massing before the funeral today, and arrived before they were in formation. There were officers from Cleveland, Border Patrol, across Ontario and Canada. As far as I could see on University Ave, from College down to Dundas and beyond, standing in the cold were officers showing respect to their fallen comrade. On Labour day, there are as many or more workers on the same street, marching to show solidarity. No one thinks it is over the top for them to march. The police were doing the same thing today. Maybe they got paid, or had some of their expenses covered. If they did, it was just one day, not enough to balance or break a budget.
An aquaintance who happened to be in the area was one of the first on the scene last week after the officer was struck by the snowplow. I won't describe what he saw, but at the end, Officer Ryan was just doing what he thought was right, trying to stop a maniac from hurting anyone else. He slipped and lost his life. He paid with his life for contributing to his part in protecting society.
I think a big difference is the issue of risk/safety controllability. The iron workers, firefighters and others have safety rules and regulations that prevent them from performing any unsafe acts. They have PPE equipment, procedures and training to ensure their safety and well being. We try to ensure they have a safe work environment. The police have equipment to protect them too, but they often encounter volatile situations where the intent of the person or people they encounter is to harm them. Some of the posters here have been saying that the police are well paid and they seem to think that justifies them walking into a situation where they have to face someone high on drugs, mentally deranged, armed with a knife, gun, or other weapon. I'm sure there are many people here who make as much as or more than the police do, what has that have to do with anything? The cops must be shitting themselves as much as anyone else would in this situation, but they go forward when most of us would be going in the other direction.
I am not a blind cheerleader for the cops, I know that there are some who join for their own benefit, I have dealt with some officers and thought to myself that they were arrogant and aloof and I think many people have a dislike for them due to their standoffish attitude. That is probably something else that happens to them over time. They deal with society's dregs, are lied to on a daily basis and after some time feel that they can only trust other cops. I have gone for drinks at their club, where they can be themselves and have seen them with their guard down. Just regular guys having a drink and a laugh.
I have come to the assistance of an officer struggling to take down a combatative suspect, no matter how much training they have, they are still vulnerable in these situations. ( I just Googled to look for info on the female officer who was stabbed and almost killed in Victoria on Monday, and was offered at least 8 links to different incidents of other officers being stabbed) Again, the difference between their jobs and other high risk jobs is that people are sometimes willfully attempting to inflict harm on them.
If someone with a weapon breaks into my home, I can call 911 and have someone come to my assistance. Will it be someone who joined because he liked the uniform, the perks, or the desire to make the world a safer place? It doesn't matter at that moment, because he or she will be there to help, more than all the armchair quarterbacks in the world.
Yes, doctors save lives, fishermen and farmers feed us. Some of those things we could do for ourselves. Without police, would you want to live with anarchy? Without police I wouldn't want to re-live the wild west or worry about my safety each time I leave my necessarily heavily guarded home.
I work close to where the police officers were massing before the funeral today, and arrived before they were in formation. There were officers from Cleveland, Border Patrol, across Ontario and Canada. As far as I could see on University Ave, from College down to Dundas and beyond, standing in the cold were officers showing respect to their fallen comrade. On Labour day, there are as many or more workers on the same street, marching to show solidarity. No one thinks it is over the top for them to march. The police were doing the same thing today. Maybe they got paid, or had some of their expenses covered. If they did, it was just one day, not enough to balance or break a budget.
An aquaintance who happened to be in the area was one of the first on the scene last week after the officer was struck by the snowplow. I won't describe what he saw, but at the end, Officer Ryan was just doing what he thought was right, trying to stop a maniac from hurting anyone else. He slipped and lost his life. He paid with his life for contributing to his part in protecting society.
The information is all public. If you want to keep your head up your ass, go for it.
I would go into detail, but to be honest, I wish I never said anything at all, there is no point.
Cops savour the opportunity to display their strength in numbers....after all, it IS called a police FORCE... In that regard, not that dissimilar from gangs of Harley bikers out on a motorcade weekend jaunt from Montreal to Toronto...a display of colours. Todays venue was, as is always the case with high profile funerals, political opportunism. After all, there have been a LOT of bad cop stories in the news in the past year. Just look at the RCMP as example. Garnering sympathies for a fellow member is a psychological technique, be it a relatively shallow one, designed to win back some credibility with the general public...and hey..perhaps citizens will for the moment forget about the G20 nasties, or the poor schlep who got kicked in the face after he fell to his knees in BC
