Cowards
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It's not surprising. Everybody assumes that somebody else is going to make the call.
How many street bums have you passed on the street without givein them a second glance? Do you ever ask yourself "maybe this guy needs my help, maybe he's not passed out drunk, but he is suffering a serious health problem and is about to die". None of us do, because none of us give a fuck.
In theory everybody would jump in but reality is always different I'm afraid.
Remember those planes that were flown into the buildings a few years back?
One plane had some heroes but the other two...well.. not so much.
I guess my point is that you never know until your put into that situation.
If what you say is true (and I doubt it is), you'll end up dead some day.
This is different from breaking up two guys in a heated discussion. It's a serious criminal act with potentially deadly results. You step in on two guys in a robbery, you could easily end up with a bullet in your skull or enduring a crippling beating.
You won't take that risk. You only think that you would from the safety of your home on a Tuesday morning in front of your computer.
You probably would have been more like this guy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jieWMpXw6xs&feature=related
And those "heroes" only became "heroes" when they learned about the fate of the other planes. They knew they were facing certain death. So they could have chosen to sit and die, or try to fight and survive. The instinct to survive drove them to fight - it was no genuine act of heroism. When somebody is about to swing a baseball bat to your face you still raise your hand over your face to block it even though it's not going to protect you very much. It's an instinctual reaction, a last resort, an attempt to increase the small odds of survival. If they had no knowledge of the other planes, they would have sat and done nothing hoping for the best, just like the passengers in the other planes. There would be no precedent to do otherwise.
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First, to be fair the planes which hit the WTC were the first. When the passengers on the fourth plane heard via loved ones on cell phones, they reacted.
I am not superman nor bullet proof and yes I would be afraid, but would still react.
Been there, done that, got arrested for it. After the truth came out, my position changed from assaulter to victim.
I have also confronted a man verbally abusing his wife. Got right in his face. TTC operator asked me to return to my seat. He then radioed for the police.
Both incidents were recorded by police.
I will not stand by.
Excellent that you called 911 absolutely the right thing to do, but you state what you would have done, but you didn't!
1. Why didn't you head to the scene (front entrance and start hitting all the buzzers, while on the cell phone)
2. You could have also taken your aluminum baseball bat with you
3. Why tell the dispatcher "in the next 60 seconds" That was 59 seconds too late.
There are 2 kinds of people those who do and those that wish they did. Just sayin'
Confronting a man that is verbally abusing his wife isn't the same as standing up to two men in a robbery. Apples and oranges.
Heck, it's not even the same as confronting a man that is physically assaulting his wife. If you do that, SHE might end up killing you.
I cannot speak to what would have happened if the passengers on that fourth plane would have done had they not known, neither do you.
It is beginning to sound like you would do nothing and just hope everyone else reading these messages are like you.
Like I stated, I know I would react.
It has nothing to do with what I would do or have done. This stuff has been studied. It's about what people actually do in these situations time and time again. The vast majority of people behave in similar ways in similar situations. This is the science talking, not me. Your anecdotal examples about what you claim to have done hold little water.
The people who may be most likely to do something different in a situation, are people like me who are aware of how typical the behavior of most people are. Beyond that, people like me don't feel the need to beat our chests or pat ourselves on the back proclaiming how we 'know we would do so and so' in a given situation, or how big our hearts are that we protect women from their husband's verbal assaults.
I feel empowered every day by the mere understanding of how dull most people are.
I would place a phone call if I witnessed a robbery, because I've learned that most people won't. The science has already shown this, so my knowledge of this would ensure that I place the call. However, I know for a fact that I would NOT jump into danger by defending an old man against two robbers who may be armed. To do so would be playing Russian Roulette. It's not worth it. He's been robbed but he'll live. Why risk dying over it? Those fucking idiots kill people for less than $10.
I feel empowered every day by the mere understanding of how dull most people are.
I would place a phone call if I witnessed a robbery, because I've learned that most people won't. The science has already shown this, so my knowledge of this would ensure that I place the call. However, I know for a fact that I would NOT jump into danger by defending an old man against two robbers who may be armed. To do so would be playing Russian Roulette. It's not worth it. He's been robbed but he'll live. Why risk dying over it? Those fucking idiots kill people for less than $10.
I got arrested, initially, for an incident at Kennedy Station. I confronted several teens acting like idiots. Inmimiating people, acting in a threatening manner. I thought there was only about six of them. After I told one of them to "Get the fuck out of my way punk.", he did, but got several more friends and followed and confronted me. There was a lot more then the six I thought there were. I focused on the leader, got him to threaten me and I reacted phyically.
Since you are likely doubting this message, it is pointless to go on, but the arrest report, if the police keep them for ten years or so, is at the police station at Kennedy and Birchmount.
Here we go. Nice switch.
You attempted to speak for me, tell me how I would react when faced with a real life situation.
You believe whatever you want. I cannot change that.
Those are bold and general statements. Do I know you? Have we met? No. How do you know what I will do in any situation? Are you the amazing Kreskin? Do you know what my profession is? Do you know what training I have?
Can I stop a bullet? No, never said I could. Can I disarm someone with a weapon? Yes Can I restrain/contain and inflict pain if required? Yes Could I get hurt in the process? Yes, but I also know how to minimize attacks and injuries
Granted the majority wouldn't react mainly due to shock and lack of knowledge/training. Point being don't make blanket statements when you don't people.
Anytime there is a thread like this on any forum, there is always one or two Ironheads in it fighting tooth and nail to prove that they would be the ones to help save the day.
Maybe you're among the rare individuals that would do what you think or hope that you would do in that situation. But it's unlikely.
Grown men confront punk teens every day. Again, this is a far cry from a robbery going down.
