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In a year when the Jays have NO CHANCE of playing .500 ball, why sign Dye? I would be more inclined to give Ruiz or Snyder more at bats. They work for less, and have more upside.
Jermaine Dye is a pure right fielder (albeit with diminished defensive range) and, by all accounts an excellent leader and locker room guy. The Jays do not have a RF (Snider is - or should be - a left fielder) unless they play Bautista there every day, which I don't see being a good thing. They certainly need a veteran leadership presence - Doc's gone and I think it's obvious that Vernon Wells is not nor ever will be that for the Jays.

It's all talk and chances are Dye wants to play for a team that has a shot of contending, but I wouldn't discount it completely.

(And Randy Ruiz is 32 going on 33 - he is what he is, a utility power bat who can play 1B, DH and maybe LF.)
 

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In a year when the Jays have NO CHANCE of playing .500 ball, why sign Dye? I would be more inclined to give Ruiz or Snyder more at bats. They work for less, and have more upside.

Don't kid yourselves. The Jays pitching is likely to be terrible this year. To have a decent season they need Lind and Hill to be as good as last year (not likely) and Wells to come out of his 2 year coma. why soi

Non hitting SS and 3rd base aren't going to help the cause. I don't see this team winning more than 70.
why sign Dye?..exactly as you quoted, we dont know how Wells will hit, Lind and Hill will have good years but are still young players and the Yankees are reportedly looking for another power bat to replace Matsui. Adding Dye with Arod and Tex could be a devestating 1.2.3. punch, and thy,r concerned about Nick Johnson staying healthy for the year,,,so why would the Jays let the Yanks or Bosox have him,,,spend the freekin $$ Rogers to justify my increase monthly bill!!!
 

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Is it the Vernon Wells of 2003?...33hrs, 117rbis, 550slg,,,or the Vernon Wells 2009?...15hrs,66rbis,400slg,,,,
 

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Way too much pessimism IMO. Isn't this time for hoping for something better?

After all they have Marcum and McGowan back plus strong competition from a whole bunch of other promising pitchers.

Early signs too (I know way too early to predict anything) of improved batting performance by wells, bautista and a few others.
 

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How good is he? Can he hit? Can he field?
He's a career .247 hitter with a .294 on base percentage who will hit between 10-15 hrs per year.

He has a .970 career fielding percentage and never won a gold glove.

Bottom line unless he really turns it around he will not come close too what Scutaro did for the Jays last year.
 

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He's a career .247 hitter with a .294 on base percentage who will hit between 10-15 hrs per year.

He has a .970 career fielding percentage and never won a gold glove.

Bottom line unless he really turns it around he will not come close too what Scutaro did for the Jays last year.
Marco Scutaro 2009 : 12 hr .282 b.a. .984 fielding percentage
8 seasons: 13 hr .265 b.a. .977 fielding percentage

Alex Gonzalez 2009: 8 hr .238 b.a. .984 fielding percentage
11 seasons: 15 hr .247 b.a. .970 fielding percentage

You pick Scutaro's best season, and compare it to Gonzalez's career. That is hardly comparing apples to apple. A.G.'s fielding %'age has improved almost every year in M.L.B.
Scutaro put up the best numbers of his career in '09 . M.S. is 34 years old. He was in a contract year. Shortstops don't typically improve as they hit their mid-thirties.
The Red Sox signed M.S. to a 2 year + option (around $6,250,000 per), whereas the Jays are only on the hook to A.G. for one year with a club option for 2011 ($2,750,000 per). I don't see M.S. being more than twice the player that A.G. is.
 

The Oracle

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Marco Scutaro 2009 : 12 hr .282 b.a. .984 fielding percentage
8 seasons: 13 hr .265 b.a. .977 fielding percentage

Alex Gonzalez 2009: 8 hr .238 b.a. .984 fielding percentage
11 seasons: 15 hr .247 b.a. .970 fielding percentage

You pick Scutaro's best season, and compare it to Gonzalez's career. That is hardly comparing apples to apple. A.G.'s fielding %'age has improved almost every year in M.L.B.
Scutaro put up the best numbers of his career in '09 . M.S. is 34 years old. He was in a contract year. Shortstops don't typically improve as they hit their mid-thirties.
The Red Sox signed M.S. to a 2 year + option (around $6,250,000 per), whereas the Jays are only on the hook to A.G. for one year with a club option for 2011 ($2,750,000 per). I don't see M.S. being more than twice the player that A.G. is.
Of course I took Marco's last year because thats what counts the most.

Pencil lets look at some intangibles shall we.

Scutaro is a lunch buckett guy who is improving as he goes.

He's at least a .20 point better hitter than AG who will take a walk and even lean into a pitch to get on base.

He can play a multitude of positions as well.

He was a perfect fit for the Jays at the top of the lineup and I'm not sure who can replace him to be honest with you.

Who do you suggest?
 

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Scutaro is a lunch buckett guy who is improving as he goes.

He's at least a .20 point better hitter than AG who will take a walk and even lean into a pitch to get on base.

He can play a multitude of positions as well.

He was a perfect fit for the Jays at the top of the lineup and I'm not sure who can replace him to be honest with you.

Who do you suggest?
What offensive numbers does the lunch bucket put up ?

I enjoyed watching M.S. last year, but I have serious doubts that he'll be able to duplicate (or come close) those numbers.

A.G. is capable of playing 3 infield positions, that's a wash.

As far as who's going to bat lead off for the Blue Jays, that's a good question. My best guess at this point is Jose Bautista.

In a perfect world, would the Jays have resigned Scutaro? Probably, but, the return on investment just isn't there. He was looking for more than a 1 year commitment, and the Jays feel they have enough infield talent in the pipeline that they didn't want to invest the dollars & term on an aging middle infielder.
 

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What offensive numbers does the lunch bucket put up ?





As far as who's going to bat lead off for the Blue Jays, that's a good question. My best guess at this point is Jose Bautista.

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Bautista!! My lord.

His OBP is .329 , doesn't steal any bases and strikes out too much.

He should be your ninth place hitter.
 

pencilneckgeek2

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Bautista!! My lord.

His OBP is .329 , doesn't steal any bases and strikes out too much.

He should be your ninth place hitter.
Should be 9th in the lineup, but, it wouldn't surprise me if Cito bats him leadoff, at least to start the year.
 

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Should be 9th in the lineup, but, it wouldn't surprise me if Cito bats him leadoff, at least to start the year.
As far as maintaining an optimistic outlook, Bautista (and I was very sour on him last year) had a very strong September and is looking good so far in spring training. He claims the coach's hitting philosophy has kicked in. Keeping the fingers crossed.
 

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As far as maintaining an optimistic outlook, Bautista (and I was very sour on him last year) had a very strong September and is looking good so far in spring training.
He might make us forget Alex Rios or even Vernon Wells with his offensive numbers in 2010. Mind it is really difficult to underhit Alex.
 

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Looks like starting rotation for opening of season is going to be:

1. Shaun Marcum
2. Ricky Romero
3. Marc Rzepczynski
4. Brandon Morrow
5. Brian Tallet or Dustin McGowan

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/mike_rutsey/2010/03/10/13187621.html

McGowan is expected back in rotation between mid April and Mid May.
Once a pitcher drives down (torn/frayed) labrum road like McGowan the rest of their careers usually involve a lot of time on injury reserve.
Labrum problems are usually chronic and it ruins the careers of most pitchers. Chris Carpenter the former Jay is one of the few players who successfully came back from a torn labrum.

I hope Brett Cecil spends most of next year in Las Vegas. He didn't look anywhere near ready for MLB when he made 17 starts last year.
 

Rockslinger

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Does anybody know who will be the starting pitcher for game one? When is game one anyway?

Actually, anybody care to speculate on the opening day lineup?

2nd base - Aaron Hill
LF - Adam Lind
CF - "Him"
1st base - Overbay
RF - Bautista
 

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Jermaine Dye is a pure right fielder (albeit with diminished defensive range) and, by all accounts an excellent leader and locker room guy. The Jays do not have a RF (Snider is - or should be - a left fielder) unless they play Bautista there every day, which I don't see being a good thing. They certainly need a veteran leadership presence - Doc's gone and I think it's obvious that Vernon Wells is not nor ever will be that for the Jays.

It's all talk and chances are Dye wants to play for a team that has a shot of contending, but I wouldn't discount it completely.

(And Randy Ruiz is 32 going on 33 - he is what he is, a utility power bat who can play 1B, DH and maybe LF.)
Dye is regarded as one of the worst defensive OF in baseball. I think it is actually surprising no team has signed him, but honestly, if I were runing the Jays, I wouldn't spend the money on him. The Jays aren't close to challenge for the division with or without Dye, so I'd rather see them spend the money on sigining their draft picks, which they failed to do so with some guys last year, than spend the money on a veteran who won't propel the Jays to a playoff spot.
 

dagwood69

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Dye is regarded as one of the worst defensive OF in baseball. I think it is actually surprising no team has signed him, but honestly, if I were runing the Jays, I wouldn't spend the money on him. The Jays aren't close to challenge for the division with or without Dye, so I'd rather see them spend the money on sigining their draft picks, which they failed to do so with some guys last year, than spend the money on a veteran who won't propel the Jays to a playoff spot.
so are you saying Travis Snider would put up better #s than Dye?
 

mandrill

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so are you saying Travis Snider would put up better #s than Dye?
Snider is the future and he's a damn sight cheaper than Dye would be.
 
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