Why Women lie about being Raped
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How do you know this? That it is RARE for women to make false accusations, and that there are HUNDREDS of non-reported rapes for every woman who makes a false allegation. How could anyone possibly know? How dare you simply assume it is safer to trust women than men?
All humans, women and men, mostly tell the truth, and all humans sometimes lie. The only safe thing for the justice system is to do the very best that can be done to find out which, without prejudice and without assumptions. You know -- the Canadian way.
I'd have to agree.
We patronise women and children too much.
This girl ruined....no wait, raped the guy's life imo. It has tarnished him for the rest of his life and he served prison ffs. Its not a place to be when you are an innocent man amongst actual rapist(s). Just think about what his family/friends went through as well.
Poor guy.
I agree 100% with what you said Gen.
I recall in my women's studies class we discussed rape statistics, and I can't remember the exact number but it was something like 25% (1 in 4) women will be raped in their lifetime or some crazy number like that. I wish I had the reference, but I don't, and it was an oral presentation given by the professor.
Having said that, I recall working at a place a while ago, and a new temp who was to replace me, and who I was responsible for training, was seriously incompetent, and would blame things on me. Then one day after two weeks of being there, while I was on my lunch break, she suggested I sexually harassed her to one of the senior executives. By the time I got back from lunch she was fired and no longer there. After I got back, the manager explained to me what happened, and confided to me that he simply did not believe her. But it could have easily gone the other way, and I had absolutely no idea she said those things of me, nor was I even remotely interested. A second time, this young hot girl in the office kept grabbing my ass when I would have to make a photocopy, and would lick her lips and look me in the eyes whenever I would walk by her desk. She had a boyfriend at the time, and when I asked her out, she turned me down (and I was extremely confused given her signals), and things quickly turned sour. During another lunch break, the hiring manager overheard me confide to another female senior staff member about how hurt I was, and a few days later, the girl I thought liked me, tried to convince the hiring manager that I was sexually harassing her. She grabbed my ass, and accused me of that. The hiring manager didn't believe her.
There are at least 2 other stories I have had while I was working, but in the end what I realize, is that there are many ladies who manipulate social insecurities to their benefit, ruthlessly. Thank goodness, those who were in the position to make employment decisions saw through this and backed me up (part of the reason was that I was there as a young adult and stayed there 7 years growing into a man, and the place was made up primarily of ladies who all saw me as a son, or the guy they would want their daughters to date, and my character and reputation was solid. I am still associated with that office, and it's been about 10 years now.
Throughout school and life I have seen so many ladies cheat and lie behind the backs of the ones they supposedly love, that nothing surprises me anymore about the capacity of humans to intentionally inflict harm on one another, particularly the ones they love.
Rape is not something to take lightly, but there are a few girls out their who will manipulate this to their benefit to destroy another man's life. When I see girls like that operate this way, it causes me to lose respect for them. Mind you, I have also had people close to me who have shared with me the fact that they were raped at some point in their life, and it's one of those things that is a true human violation. I just despise women who manipulate this for their end. It is disrespectful to the ones they are lying to, the ones they intend to hurt, and women and girls who have actually been raped.
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I heard that number too but it wasn't raped, it was "sexually assaulted" and not to minimalize it or anything, but that includes inappropriate touching like an ass grab in a bar which is a far cry from actual rape. That's the problem with statistics taken out of context or misquoted.
The number being discussed when I heard the stats too also included that activities played a big part in the statistic. ie: did they marry their childhood sweetheart and stay with him until death? Did they live in a small town or big city? Which part of the big city did they live in? Did they accept rides from strangers? Do they hitchhike? stuff like that. I also recall something about assault from family members being up there as opposed to total strangers but I could be (and probably are) wrong.
As gen was stating: cases like this help NO ONE. Those that report actual sexual assaults, those that don't, and the real victims (who in this case happens to be a man).
First of all, you are putting words in my mouth: I did not say nor implied that women should be de facto trusted more than men should.
As for how I know about the numbers of rape that go unreported compared to the numbers of rapes that are reported and the numbers of false accusations: because I have worked with rape crisis centers, assisting women who were victims of rape and working with the police and other resources available for those women. I'm also informed about the studies and reports available on the issue, and have done quite a bit of research around it.
It is beyond me why someone would make a false accusation of rape and let it go far enough that the accused would even spend time in jail for it.
Thanks for sharing, bookmarked. Good to see more men waking up and speaking out about this injustice.
How sure are you of those numbers? From the brief scans I've done most of the "statistics" on this topic are highly biased and either come from rape crisis centers or from the police. Both are open to allegations that they are not objective in their assessment of the rate of false reports, or even the rate of unreports. There are plausible studies that assert the false reporting rate is as low as 8% and others that have it as high as 40%. The reason for the gulf appears to be the bias in the sources and the studies. There is also a problem with what is meant by a "false report": Do you count every case of a woman calling the police, even if she later fails to press any charges, or only those cases that go to trial? Presumably a lot of false claims of rape are dropped before it goes too far.
However even at an 8% false report rate that does not add up to "hundreds" of real rapes per every false accusation.
As to reasons why a woman would lie about being raped:
1. To obtain custody of a child
2. Revenge
3. To elicit sympathy from someone else
Those would be the malicious cases.
Less malicious would be a woman who really was raped and has become so angry at the world that she simply wants to see someone pay, and names a man who she isn't really sure is the rapist, but asserts false evidence just to see someone, anyone pay for her suffering. This can be especially the case when alcohol is a factor, which it very often is.
From: Sexual Assault: Dispelling the Myths
http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/sexual_assault.html
By Ontario Women's Directorate
Dispelling the Myths
MYTH: Sexual assault is not a common problem.
FACT: Sexual assault is experienced by Canadian women every day at home, at work, at school and on the street.
A 1993 Statistics Canada survey found that one-half of all Canadian women have experienced at least one incident of sexual or physical violence. Almost 60% of these women were the targets of more than one such incident. (1)
A 1984 study found that one in four Canadian women will be sexually assaulted during her lifetime. Half of these assaults will be against women under the age of 16. (2)
For women with disabilities, these figures may be even higher one study indicates that 83% of women with disabilities will be sexually assaulted during their lifetime. (3)
MYTH: Women lie about being sexually assaulted, often because they feel guilty about having sex.
FACT: Women rarely make false reports about sexual assault. In fact, sexual assault is a vastly under-reported crime. According to Statistics Canada, only 6% of all sexual assaults are reported to police.
For example, four out of five female undergraduates recently surveyed at Canadian universities said that they had been victims of violence in a dating relationship. Of that number, 29% reported incidents of sexual assault. (5)
REFERENCES
(1)Statistics Canada, "The Violence Against Women Survey," The Daily, November 18, 1993.
(2) J. Brickman and J. Briere, "Incidence of Rape and Sexual Assault in an Urban Canadian Population," The International Journal of Women's Studies, Vol. 7, no. 3, 1984.
(3) Liz Stimpson and Margaret C. Best, Courage Above All: Sexual Assault Against Women with Disabilities, Toronto: DisAbled Women's Network, 1991.
(4) J. Brickman and J. Briere, "Incidence of Rape and Sexual Assault in an Urban Canadian Population", The International Journal of Women's Studies, Vol. 7, no. 3, 1984.
(5) W. DeKeseredy and K. Kelly, "The Incidence and Prevalence of Woman Abuse in Canadian University and College Dating Relationships: Results From a National Survey," Ottawa: Health Canada, 1993.
(6) D. Kinnon, "Report on Sexual Assault in Canada," Canadian Advisory Council on the Status of Women, Ottawa, 1981.
(7) Helen Lenskyj, "An Analysis of Violence Against Women: A Manual for Educators and Administrators," Toronto: Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, 1992.
(8) Lenskyj, 1992.
(9) Statistics Canada, 1993.
(10)Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women, 1993.
FURTHER RESOURCES
Toronto Rape Crisis Centre, "Rape," No Safe Place: Violence Against Women and Children, Connie Guberman, Toronto: Women's Press, 1985.
Diana Russell, Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child Abuse and Workplace Harassment, California: Sage Publishing, 1984.
Audio-visual: The Family Violence Prevention Division of Health and Welfare Canada has compiled a collection of over 90 films and videos on violence against women and children which can be borrowed free of charge through the regional offices of the National Film Board.
Reporting Issues
Facts to consider
The majority of sexual assaults are not reported to police.
According to Statistics Canada, only 6% of all sexual assaults are reported to police. (1)
Only 1% of women who have been sexually assaulted by an acquaintance report the incident to police. (2)
An Alberta study on sexual assault against people with disabilities found that while 88% of offenders are known to the victim (family members, friends, acquaintances, caregivers), 80% are never charged and less than 10% are convicted. (3)
In one study, women gave the following reasons for not reporting incidents of sexual assault:
belief that the police could do nothing about it (50% of women gave this reason);
concern about the attitude of both police and the courts toward sexual assault (44%);
fear of another assault by the offender (33%);
fear and shame (64%). (4)
Women who have been sexually assaulted often fear that if they report a sexual assault, the will be revictimized by the justice system.
For women of colour, and immigrant and refugee women that fear is compounded by racism.
The credibility of women with disabilities has often been questioned when they report sexual assault, particularly in the case of women with developmental, psychiatric and learning disabilities.
The credibility of sex trade workers is also often questioned.
Incidents of sexual assault are often questioned by police, doctors, courts, even family and friends.
If a woman is raped by a man she knows, it is often perceived that she "asked for it" in some way. Women often hear, and may tell themselves, messages such as "what did you think he wanted," "you drank with him didn't you," or "you should have expected something like this to happen."
REFERENCES
(1) Statistics Canada, "The Violence Against Women Survey," The Daily, November 18, 1993.
(2) Diana Russell, Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child Abuse and Workplace Harassment, California: Sage Publishing, 1984
(3) D. Sobsey, "Sexual Offenses and Disabled Victims: Research and Practical Implications," Vis-A-Vis: A National Newsletter on Family Violence, 6, no. 4, Winter, 1988. Ottawa: Canadian Council on Social Development.
(4) Solicitor General of Canada, "Canadian Urban Victimization Survey," Bulletin 4: Female Victims of Crime. Ottawa, 1985.
The Impact on Health
Facts to Consider
Sexual assault can have profound effects on women's health and well-being. It can result in physical injuries as well as psychological and emotional trauma.
Statistics Canada indicates that women are physically injured in 11% of sexual assaults. (1)
The effects of sexual assault on a woman's mental health and well-being can be just as serious as physical injuries. Nine out of ten incidents of violence against women have an emotional effect on the victim. The most commonly reported effects are anger, fear and becoming more cautious and less trusting. (2)
The emotional and psychological effects of sexual assault can also include:
depression
confusion
sleep disturbances, including nightmares
erratic mood swings
eating disorders
anxiety
flashbacks
Assaults on women with disabilities can trigger severe physical reactions. A woman with epilepsy may have a seizure, a woman with cerebral palsy may develop even more unclear speech, or a woman with diabetes may go into insulin shock. (3)
A Toronto study shows that 83% of female psychiatric in-patients reported a history of physical or sexual abuse. (4)
Research indicates that there is a higher rate of drug use among women who have been sexually or physically abused. Of women who have been sexually assaulted as adults, 20% use sleeping pills and 20% use sedatives. (5)
Sexual abuse by physicians is a significant problem one study found that 8% of Ontario women aged 25-44 have been sexually harassed or abused by their physician. (6)
REFERENCES
(1)Statistics Canada, "The Violence Against Women Survey, " The Daily, November 18, 1993.
(2) Statistics Canada, 1993.
(3) DisAbled Women's Network (DAWN), Violence Against Women With Disabilities, Toronto: DAWN
Canada, 1989.
(4) Temi Firsten, An Exploration of the Role of Physical and Sexual Abuse for Psychiatrically
Institutionalized Women, Toronto: Ontario Women's Directorate.
(5) J. Groeneveld and M. Shain, "Drug Abuse Among Victims of Physical and Sexual Abuse: A
Preliminary Report," Toronto: Addiction Research Foundation, 1989.
(6) Health and Welfare Canada, "Canada Health Monitor Survey," Ottawa, 1991.
FURTHER RESOURCES
Margaret Gordon and Stephanie Riger, The Female Fear, New York: The Free Press, 1989.
Jillian Ridington, Beating the Odds: Violence Against Women with Disabilities, Toronto: DAWN Canada, 1989.
"Aftermath: Short Term Effects of Sexual Assault," 1990.
This video on the physical, psychological and emotional effects of sexual assault is available from Women's College Hospital, Sexual Assault Care Centre, Toronto, Ontario. A second video entitled, "Long Term Effects of Sexual Assault" is also available.
or simply, what Gen wrote.
As for the 1/4 girls will be raped statistic (I don't really want to use this as a reference, but I couldn't find an academic source at the moment):
http://www.elitecanada.com/pdfs/cnd_rape_stats.pdf
scroll down to the "General Rape Statistics" section, "College Rape Statistics" section. I think this is what my prof was referring to.
To make things a bit more confusing to the topic:
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/IWF_One_In_Four_Rape_Stat_27APR06.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
But after talking with some of the ladies I knew who confided with me about being raped, and the number of women I know who were, compared to the total number of women I know, it does seem true from their accounts that they tend to underreport, and that they don't report because they don't feel the police will be able to help and/or protect them, or fear retaliation. I don't really know how valid the 1/4 stat is, because without the actual study and design to analyze, it is hard to say, but anecdotally, I feel it is in the ballpark.
What Gen wrote, coincides with what I learned, and what was discussed and presented in class by leaders in the field.
http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/sexual_assault.html
By Ontario Women's Directorate
Dispelling the Myths
MYTH: Sexual assault is not a common problem.
FACT: Sexual assault is experienced by Canadian women every day at home, at work, at school and on the street.
A 1993 Statistics Canada survey found that one-half of all Canadian women have experienced at least one incident of sexual or physical violence. Almost 60% of these women were the targets of more than one such incident. (1)
A 1984 study found that one in four Canadian women will be sexually assaulted during her lifetime. Half of these assaults will be against women under the age of 16. (2)
For women with disabilities, these figures may be even higher one study indicates that 83% of women with disabilities will be sexually assaulted during their lifetime. (3)
MYTH: Women lie about being sexually assaulted, often because they feel guilty about having sex.
FACT: Women rarely make false reports about sexual assault. In fact, sexual assault is a vastly under-reported crime. According to Statistics Canada, only 6% of all sexual assaults are reported to police.
For example, four out of five female undergraduates recently surveyed at Canadian universities said that they had been victims of violence in a dating relationship. Of that number, 29% reported incidents of sexual assault. (5)
REFERENCES
(1)Statistics Canada, "The Violence Against Women Survey," The Daily, November 18, 1993.
(2) J. Brickman and J. Briere, "Incidence of Rape and Sexual Assault in an Urban Canadian Population," The International Journal of Women's Studies, Vol. 7, no. 3, 1984.
(3) Liz Stimpson and Margaret C. Best, Courage Above All: Sexual Assault Against Women with Disabilities, Toronto: DisAbled Women's Network, 1991.
(4) J. Brickman and J. Briere, "Incidence of Rape and Sexual Assault in an Urban Canadian Population", The International Journal of Women's Studies, Vol. 7, no. 3, 1984.
(5) W. DeKeseredy and K. Kelly, "The Incidence and Prevalence of Woman Abuse in Canadian University and College Dating Relationships: Results From a National Survey," Ottawa: Health Canada, 1993.
(6) D. Kinnon, "Report on Sexual Assault in Canada," Canadian Advisory Council on the Status of Women, Ottawa, 1981.
(7) Helen Lenskyj, "An Analysis of Violence Against Women: A Manual for Educators and Administrators," Toronto: Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, 1992.
(8) Lenskyj, 1992.
(9) Statistics Canada, 1993.
(10)Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women, 1993.
FURTHER RESOURCES
Toronto Rape Crisis Centre, "Rape," No Safe Place: Violence Against Women and Children, Connie Guberman, Toronto: Women's Press, 1985.
Diana Russell, Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child Abuse and Workplace Harassment, California: Sage Publishing, 1984.
Audio-visual: The Family Violence Prevention Division of Health and Welfare Canada has compiled a collection of over 90 films and videos on violence against women and children which can be borrowed free of charge through the regional offices of the National Film Board.
Reporting Issues
Facts to consider
The majority of sexual assaults are not reported to police.
According to Statistics Canada, only 6% of all sexual assaults are reported to police. (1)
Only 1% of women who have been sexually assaulted by an acquaintance report the incident to police. (2)
An Alberta study on sexual assault against people with disabilities found that while 88% of offenders are known to the victim (family members, friends, acquaintances, caregivers), 80% are never charged and less than 10% are convicted. (3)
In one study, women gave the following reasons for not reporting incidents of sexual assault:
belief that the police could do nothing about it (50% of women gave this reason);
concern about the attitude of both police and the courts toward sexual assault (44%);
fear of another assault by the offender (33%);
fear and shame (64%). (4)
Women who have been sexually assaulted often fear that if they report a sexual assault, the will be revictimized by the justice system.
For women of colour, and immigrant and refugee women that fear is compounded by racism.
The credibility of women with disabilities has often been questioned when they report sexual assault, particularly in the case of women with developmental, psychiatric and learning disabilities.
The credibility of sex trade workers is also often questioned.
Incidents of sexual assault are often questioned by police, doctors, courts, even family and friends.
If a woman is raped by a man she knows, it is often perceived that she "asked for it" in some way. Women often hear, and may tell themselves, messages such as "what did you think he wanted," "you drank with him didn't you," or "you should have expected something like this to happen."
REFERENCES
(1) Statistics Canada, "The Violence Against Women Survey," The Daily, November 18, 1993.
(2) Diana Russell, Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child Abuse and Workplace Harassment, California: Sage Publishing, 1984
(3) D. Sobsey, "Sexual Offenses and Disabled Victims: Research and Practical Implications," Vis-A-Vis: A National Newsletter on Family Violence, 6, no. 4, Winter, 1988. Ottawa: Canadian Council on Social Development.
(4) Solicitor General of Canada, "Canadian Urban Victimization Survey," Bulletin 4: Female Victims of Crime. Ottawa, 1985.
The Impact on Health
Facts to Consider
Sexual assault can have profound effects on women's health and well-being. It can result in physical injuries as well as psychological and emotional trauma.
Statistics Canada indicates that women are physically injured in 11% of sexual assaults. (1)
The effects of sexual assault on a woman's mental health and well-being can be just as serious as physical injuries. Nine out of ten incidents of violence against women have an emotional effect on the victim. The most commonly reported effects are anger, fear and becoming more cautious and less trusting. (2)
The emotional and psychological effects of sexual assault can also include:
depression
confusion
sleep disturbances, including nightmares
erratic mood swings
eating disorders
anxiety
flashbacks
Assaults on women with disabilities can trigger severe physical reactions. A woman with epilepsy may have a seizure, a woman with cerebral palsy may develop even more unclear speech, or a woman with diabetes may go into insulin shock. (3)
A Toronto study shows that 83% of female psychiatric in-patients reported a history of physical or sexual abuse. (4)
Research indicates that there is a higher rate of drug use among women who have been sexually or physically abused. Of women who have been sexually assaulted as adults, 20% use sleeping pills and 20% use sedatives. (5)
Sexual abuse by physicians is a significant problem one study found that 8% of Ontario women aged 25-44 have been sexually harassed or abused by their physician. (6)
REFERENCES
(1)Statistics Canada, "The Violence Against Women Survey, " The Daily, November 18, 1993.
(2) Statistics Canada, 1993.
(3) DisAbled Women's Network (DAWN), Violence Against Women With Disabilities, Toronto: DAWN
Canada, 1989.
(4) Temi Firsten, An Exploration of the Role of Physical and Sexual Abuse for Psychiatrically
Institutionalized Women, Toronto: Ontario Women's Directorate.
(5) J. Groeneveld and M. Shain, "Drug Abuse Among Victims of Physical and Sexual Abuse: A
Preliminary Report," Toronto: Addiction Research Foundation, 1989.
(6) Health and Welfare Canada, "Canada Health Monitor Survey," Ottawa, 1991.
FURTHER RESOURCES
Margaret Gordon and Stephanie Riger, The Female Fear, New York: The Free Press, 1989.
Jillian Ridington, Beating the Odds: Violence Against Women with Disabilities, Toronto: DAWN Canada, 1989.
"Aftermath: Short Term Effects of Sexual Assault," 1990.
This video on the physical, psychological and emotional effects of sexual assault is available from Women's College Hospital, Sexual Assault Care Centre, Toronto, Ontario. A second video entitled, "Long Term Effects of Sexual Assault" is also available.
or simply, what Gen wrote.
As for the 1/4 girls will be raped statistic (I don't really want to use this as a reference, but I couldn't find an academic source at the moment):
http://www.elitecanada.com/pdfs/cnd_rape_stats.pdf
scroll down to the "General Rape Statistics" section, "College Rape Statistics" section. I think this is what my prof was referring to.
To make things a bit more confusing to the topic:
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/IWF_One_In_Four_Rape_Stat_27APR06.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
But after talking with some of the ladies I knew who confided with me about being raped, and the number of women I know who were, compared to the total number of women I know, it does seem true from their accounts that they tend to underreport, and that they don't report because they don't feel the police will be able to help and/or protect them, or fear retaliation. I don't really know how valid the 1/4 stat is, because without the actual study and design to analyze, it is hard to say, but anecdotally, I feel it is in the ballpark.
What Gen wrote, coincides with what I learned, and what was discussed and presented in class by leaders in the field.
Winstar, "sexual assault" includes things like a guy grabbing a girls ass or pretty much anything else like that. When this figure then gets quoted as "rape" it is highly misleading. That also sheds some light on statements like "Only 6% of sexual assaults are reported", well, how many women report to the police that a guy grabbed their ass in a club? Yet that is an unreported sexual assault--and probably also forgotten the next day.
This is also dodgy and indicates a biased source:
That sort of misleading rhetoric should cause you to question the source and merit of everything else they're saying as they are clearly interested in pulling the wool over your eyes.
This is also dodgy and indicates a biased source:
This statement supposedly refutes that women make false reports by saying that many rapes are not reported, but BOTH statements can be true: It is possible that half of reported rapes are false reports, while at the same time only 6% of actual rapes are reported. In fact, with such a low reporting rate of actual rapes it would not be surprising at all if a very large percentage of reports were false reports since the real cases aren't being reported.
That sort of misleading rhetoric should cause you to question the source and merit of everything else they're saying as they are clearly interested in pulling the wool over your eyes.
I agree. And in the case of ass grabbing, in one circumstance it's sexual assault, in another it's sex play, and yet another it's flirting. I do agree that when you use the blanket term sexual assault, and given how the survey questions are asked as with the criticism of the 1/4 rape stat from one of the links I provided, it is hard to ascertain what proportion of the sexual assaults are in fact assaults or rapes. Academia can be swayed by politics, but this information is the best we have at the moment. I have doubts about the validity (and reliability) of the studies conducted, but from talking with the girls I know, rape seems to be a reality for a significant number of girls in the population I know, who felt safe enough to share this with me. I've learned that just because a girl doesn't talk about rape, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
I'm not harping on men or defending women per se, but I am just saying that the data seem to jive with what the reality is within the group of girls I know.
I guarantee you that when a rape victims advocacy group puts together statistics that they will go on to use to justify their funding, that they will use the broadest possible definition so as to come up with the scariest possible statistic. That is where this "25% of women are sexually assaulted" claim comes from. The question is, how many of those assaults were so minor that the victim doesn't even recall that they happened a few weeks later.
I agree. I am sure the majority of serious sexual assaults go unreported as well. That also has nothing to do with the rate of false reports.
As I pointed out a LOW reporting rate of actual rapes INCREASES the proportion of false reports. If as Gen seems to think there is 1 false report per, say, 100 actual rapes, but only 6% of rapes are reported, that means 1 in 7 reports of rape is a false report.
Ridiculous Threads Created to Elicit Reactions
Here I am reacting to another thread which is just based on a stupid premise. My advice to me is, just ignore these - too bad I seldom follow my own advice.
The false rape and eventually recanting story is tragic. That's all, just tragic. It doesn't prove any point or suggest a fault in the justice system, or provide insights. It is an anomaly.
Why not just start a thread - why men cheat at golf, why teenagers lie to their parents, why parents lie to their teenagers, whatever. If this thread was about why some people lie even though. there are extreme consequences - ok. This situation is not about why women lie about about rape, it is about why one woman lied. No further conclusion can be drawn.
Maybe next time I'll ignore this type of thread. I should start a TERB support group - Just say no to stupid threads! This is your brain. This is your brain after responding to another stupid thread.
Here I am reacting to another thread which is just based on a stupid premise. My advice to me is, just ignore these - too bad I seldom follow my own advice.
The false rape and eventually recanting story is tragic. That's all, just tragic. It doesn't prove any point or suggest a fault in the justice system, or provide insights. It is an anomaly.
Why not just start a thread - why men cheat at golf, why teenagers lie to their parents, why parents lie to their teenagers, whatever. If this thread was about why some people lie even though. there are extreme consequences - ok. This situation is not about why women lie about about rape, it is about why one woman lied. No further conclusion can be drawn.
Maybe next time I'll ignore this type of thread. I should start a TERB support group - Just say no to stupid threads! This is your brain. This is your brain after responding to another stupid thread.
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burt-oh-my!
The solution to these situations is... EVIDENCE! No physical evidence, or at least a number of people corroboraing the story, no conviction. He said/she said cases should in my opinion not be successfully prosecuted. No evidence, no case.
I heard that the statistic was 25% of women in college have been raped sometime in their life. Of course that’s utter nonsense. That would mean that 1 in 4 girls you knew in college have been raped.
How the women’s groups arrive at the number is they define rape as any unwanted sexual activity. Even if they wanted it at the time but later changed their mind, it’s defined as raped.
That means that if ever in the life of the college girl, if she had sex with a guy and later regretted it, then it is rape.
By that definition, 25% of guys in college have been raped too.
The reality is that in North America, on average, every major university has to deal with approximately one case of reported rape per school year.
On average, approximately 1/3 of women change their mind and drop the charges.
On average, approximately 1/3 of investigations conclude that the accusations were false.
On average, approximately 1/3 of cases turn out to be legitimate.
The reasons that they give for falsely reporting rape is:
Regret,
Guilt, if the girl has a strict/religious upbringing, she’ll make up the story that she was raped and it was beyond her control.
Spite, to get back at the guy.
Sympathy.
How the women’s groups arrive at the number is they define rape as any unwanted sexual activity. Even if they wanted it at the time but later changed their mind, it’s defined as raped.
That means that if ever in the life of the college girl, if she had sex with a guy and later regretted it, then it is rape.
By that definition, 25% of guys in college have been raped too.
The reality is that in North America, on average, every major university has to deal with approximately one case of reported rape per school year.
On average, approximately 1/3 of women change their mind and drop the charges.
On average, approximately 1/3 of investigations conclude that the accusations were false.
On average, approximately 1/3 of cases turn out to be legitimate.
The reasons that they give for falsely reporting rape is:
Regret,
Guilt, if the girl has a strict/religious upbringing, she’ll make up the story that she was raped and it was beyond her control.
Spite, to get back at the guy.
Sympathy.
Where did you get these statistics?
My understanding is there are NO unbiased statistics on rape available. Sure it's true that rape victim advocacy groups fudge their numbers egregiously, but the statistics you're quoting look just as phony in the opposite direction.
How do you know that the 1/3rd who drop the charges weren't actually raped and have been intimidated by a difficult legal system? How do you know that the investigations did not conclude "lack of evidence" rather than "accusations were false"?
The problem with discussing statistics on rape is that practically all source of information suffer from gender bias. Rape is seen as a "front line" issue by many feminists who have radicalized the issue in dishonest ways. On the other side you have an actual male bias institutionalized in courts and policing systems that tends to minimize the problem. The truth behind all of this is entirely elusive.
It's my guess, and due to the lack of good statistics not much more than a guess, that both sides are right: Far more women are raped than report it, and far too many reports of rape are false reports.
