Yes they do. Most of them are gentlemen and respect boundaries though so no need to apologize for your genderReading through this thread almost makes me embarrassed for my gender...
Guys actually try this shit?
Yes they do. Most of them are gentlemen and respect boundaries though so no need to apologize for your genderReading through this thread almost makes me embarrassed for my gender...
Guys actually try this shit?
Walking onto the thin ice. This indeed poses a problem in some cross cultural relationships. Western men (at least most of us) are quite aware of no means no, you need active consent. When this bumps up against a woman from a culture where saying yes, or not playing hard to get means I'm a slut - the results can be a miserable relationship or marriage.I think someone made the point above that men are socialized into thinking that no doesn't really means no, and that it's just the way that the flirting and chasing game goes. The same holds true for women, who are socialized into thinking that they need to play hard to get else they will look like a slut.
The ones that are "successful" with this trick must have very small dicks... actually and metaphorically......"oops, didn't mean to do that, but since it's halfway in anyways....."
Some times I'm quite happy that I don't like games...I think someone made the point above that men are socialized into thinking that no doesn't really means no, and that it's just the way that the flirting and chasing game goes. The same holds true for women, who are socialized into thinking that they need to play hard to get else they will look like a slut.
But that 'yes' from a civi girl should still be considered a 'Holy No', if for no other reason that you might have a hard time explaining that devilish grin and the raw heat of the moment to a judge or an officer... Mind you if she wants to yell "Squeee!" and run about all nekkid, or to engage in some amateur wrestling I'm all in... Explaining "no really meant yes" to a person with a badge or a robe is a fools game, and relationships can go really bad... It's not a funny joke, IMHO. But we all have our own baggage.She might be saying no, but only because she's getting a kick out of watching your balls turn blue and flirting every which way from Sunday. That's a yes.
Cyberhunter, I understand this is very upsetting news for you that Kayla is now working at SR and will no longer be offering CIM service, but 2 threads and a PM is a little much in my opinionSo what about Kayla shes famous for the bbbjtcmsw.. what happens now
Paid or not, as already explained, unless she tells you it is okay, you assume it is not. The untold answer is no until she tells you yes.Honestly, I have to disagree with you on it being a "forcible sexual act" UNLESS your girls specifically say at the beginning of the session here are my rules no CIM.
However, I completely agree with you on the larger point that No means just that.
That's easy. When the question is "honey, let's go shopping", and you say "yes", then yes means yes and you better be enthusiastic about those 100 shops. But when the question is "baby, let's go to the motorcycle show", and she says "yes", then yes means no and you're crazy for not reading between the lines and offering her an out!Now onto a more humorous look at it: if your gf or ??? harps on you about taking her shopping and you really don't want to go, but go anyways, what is THAT? I specifically remember times where I really wanted to go to the motorcycle show and the gf didn't, but went along with me anyways (and yeah, we had to hit sherway gardens afterwards lol)......
Obviously this is an issue for you, and I'm not going to beat the issue to death. Additionaly, in the case of your agency you have made it perfectly clear what your rules are. Clients should either respect them or not patrionize your agency.Paid or not, as already explained, unless she tells you it is okay, you assume it is not. The untold answer is no until she tells you yes.
Absolutely on all points.I came "of age" in the early 70's and I can't count the number of times in the locker room when guys talked about how they scored with this girl or that girl, and how she was reluctant at first and kept saying "NO" but she eventually relented and then was enthusiastic.
Looking back on that now, I am sure there was ALOT of date rape going on.
My parents taught me that "No mean NO" and that it wasn't "No means try harder and she'll give in".
Not always, if they are pumping away and 'accidently' pull out then push back in the wrong spot they can manage to slide in before I holler OW FUCKER and twist away........I have given an elbow to the side of the head 'accidently' a time or two.The ones that are "successful" with this trick must have very small dicks... actually and metaphorically...
It is not an issue, I just don't agree with you.Obviously this is an issue for you, and I'm not going to beat the issue to death. Additionaly, in the case of your agency you have made it perfectly clear what your rules are. Clients should either respect them or not patrionize your agency.
The point I'm attempting to make is that communication is a two way street. Just as clients need to assertain limits, SPs need to make plain what those limits are if they are not spelled out. Particularly is this so if a term with legal meaning such as "Forceable Sexual Act" is going to be used.