Reverie

The Meaning and Understanding of The Word 'NO'...

Captain Fantastic

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The name of the comedian is...

I wish I could rememeber the name of the comedian that did a routing on this subject. He's a Canadian comedian, his father is black and from Chicago, and his mother is white and from the prairies. He's a heavy gentleman, shaved head with a goatee, typically wears large earrings and dresses kind of pimp-esque.

But he was doing a routine on No means No. The general jist of his routine was as men, we expect our dogs to understand no, but when it applies to us...

If I could remember his name, I'd see if I could youtube his routine, because it rolled into date rape and whistling/yelling at women too.
... Kenny Robinson. Can't find the "no means no" routine online... but I didn't look all that hard either.
 

blank_dave

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DickHardwood

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No Means no. FUCK OFF! Means No. Not right now, means NO. I'm not really into getting my asshole fucked means NO! don't try to stick your cock up my ass!

I don't offer this, means NO. No baby, GREEK is not on the menu, means NO you can't fuck this ass.

I think all SP's should have the good old NO MEANS NO rape poster hanging somewhere above the bed. Refer to it. Here is a link http://www.ocsu.ca/images/NoMeansNo.png

And here it is inserted here:


Hell to annoy telemarketers, I had this as a message on my machine slightly modified. To all telemarketers: NO means no! FUCK OFF! Means NO! I am not going to buy anything from you ever, means fucking no. Eat me you loser, means NO! Drop dead, means NO... etc.
 
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Shit like this has been happening all too often lately. Just a reminder guys, just because someone said they got it doesnt mean you can get it or even that its the truth. You would be surprised at how many ladies have asked us to remove certain "services" from reviews that were posted because a) the reviewer embellished b) they were comfortable enough to let him do it but didnt expect him to broadcast it to the world.

The only thing you're getting is your clothes as you're being asked to leave.
i was thinking the same thing too as i was reading the OP. people need to calm the EFF down. i understand people are paying and expecting certain services...but really..at the end of the day...your paying for their time. do your research and find out what they're willing to provide...if not...then dont ever go in expecting anything. expectations kill experiences and can make what would have been a good session to a horrible one.
 

freespirit

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Honestly, I have to disagree with you on it being a "forcible sexual act" UNLESS your girls specifically say at the beginning of the session here are my rules no CIM.
Actually, a girl (paid or unpaid) can say NO at ANY time. It does not have to be at the beginning of the session. If you don't know that she does not want you to CIM then you obviously didn't ask!

It is your responsibility as hobbyists to do your research and communicate with the SP of your choice BEFOREHAND to determine whether or not she will fulfill all your desires/fantasies. Even if she says "yes" on the phone, there maybe other factors (that are mostly to do with YOU) that may make her change her mind DURING the session. If that occurs........NO still means NO!
 

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Honestly, I have to disagree with you on it being a "forcible sexual act" UNLESS your girls specifically say at the beginning of the session here are my rules no CIM.
Actually, a girl (paid or unpaid) can say NO at ANY time. It does not have to be at the beginning of the session. If you don't know that she does not want you to CIM then you obviously didn't ask!
When I used to do sex ed and rape prevention, we always talked about "enthusiastic consent" rather than mere consent.

Someone who is shit faced (from alcohol and/or drug) and almost passed out is not "enthusiastically consenting" to sex just because they are too drunk/stoned to say no.

A girl it is not "enthusiastically consenting" to swallowing your load just because she didn't have the time to tell you no before you shot in her mouth.

In other words, there's more to consent that not saying no. Consent means an enthusiastic, non-coerced, fully informed YES BABY!
 

Cobra Enorme

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Great post, some guys need a reality check!!! Like these girls want to taste your jizz. LOL

Just cum in your condom, take 2 steps to the right, throw it in the bin, put your pants on and leave. If you pause and ask for some bread,

No soup for you! Come back, 1 year!
 

blackrock13

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With this well timed thread out there at least won't be another thread from one of the usual corners complaining about the way he was treated by some unnamed SP. Well said.
 

tboy

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Too many guys have lost the meaning of the word "respect".

My theory (right or wrong) is to treat every woman as if she was my sister, daughter, mom, so, etc., we're all in this together.

Funny enough the more respect you show the more respect you receive, doesn't seem to be rocket science.

There is a reason for the "old" terms like "you get what you give".
EWWWWWW lol that's just c r e e p y lol

(sorry, couldn't resist lol)
 

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Honestly, I have to disagree with you on it being a "forcible sexual act" UNLESS your girls specifically say at the beginning of the session here are my rules no CIM.

When I used to do sex ed and rape prevention, we always talked about "enthusiastic consent" rather than mere consent.

Someone who is shit faced (from alcohol and/or drug) and almost passed out is not "enthusiastically consenting" to sex just because they are too drunk/stoned to say no.

A girl it is not "enthusiastically consenting" to swallowing your load just because she didn't have the time to tell you no before you shot in her mouth.

In other words, there's more to consent that not saying no. Consent means an enthusiastic, non-coerced, fully informed YES BABY!
Which runs horrifyingly aground when 'no' actually means 'yes'. The case in point is absolutely deplorable, and I've always 100% honoured 'consent with capacity', but in my life I've gotten in far more problems from honouring a 'no' that means 'yes' than the inverse. I'm ranting at the wrong crowd here, but it's just not men that need to know that 'no means no' or 'lack of capacity to say no means no'. Many women could use that lesson as well, and it shouldn't be seen as some sort of cute little game (given the implications). There is nothing quite as frustrating as having to do a 'dead stop' on a 'no that means yes', explaining that it's not funny, and waiting on a 'yes'. By that point the mood is generally gone.

So there's room to spread some education around. Mind you focusing on young males is clearly where the focus should go. Apologies for the OT rant but this came up recently for the first time in years, and it went poorly...
 

freespirit

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Huh????

Which runs horrifyingly aground when 'no' actually means 'yes'. The case in point is absolutely deplorable, and I've always 100% honoured 'consent with capacity', but in my life I've gotten in far more problems from honouring a 'no' that means 'yes' than the inverse. I'm ranting at the wrong crowd here, but it's just not men that need to know that 'no means no' or 'lack of capacity to say no means no'. Many women could use that lesson as well, and it shouldn't be seen as some sort of cute little game (given the implications). There is nothing quite as frustrating as having to do a 'dead stop' on a 'no that means yes', explaining that it's not funny, and waiting on a 'yes'. By that point the mood is generally gone.

So there's room to spread some education around. Mind you focusing on young males is clearly where the focus should go. Apologies for the OT rant but this came up recently for the first time in years, and it went poorly...[/QUOTE]
 

genintoronto

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I'm ranting at the wrong crowd here, but it's just not men that need to know that 'no means no' or 'lack of capacity to say no means no'. Many women could use that lesson as well, and it shouldn't be seen as some sort of cute little game (given the implications).

So there's room to spread some education around. Mind you focusing on young males is clearly where the focus should go. Apologies for the OT rant but this came up recently for the first time in years, and it went poorly...
I actually believe that this education should be focused as much on boys and girls.

I think someone made the point above that men are socialized into thinking that no doesn't really means no, and that it's just the way that the flirting and chasing game goes. The same holds true for women, who are socialized into thinking that they need to play hard to get else they will look like a slut.
 

LadyTY2Uall

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"But baby your ass is so hot, how about just the tip"

LOL, guys actually say shit like this?
Oh yes, yes they do.....often they will try to 'slip' it in accidently yah, right. "oops, didn't mean to do that, but since it's halfway in anyways....."
 

demien2k5

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Interesting thread...my sense is that apart from the actual 1:1 confrontation that actually ensues when a hobbyier just won't accept No! as an answer, there are actually other lingering ramifications....

Case in point...

Recently did a repeat with a lady that I find to be a very gracious and accomodating SP, she's reasonably new to the industry, and things had been going swimmingly until out of the blue she gets a really bad TERB review. When I see her, I ask, "how you doing honey, I know that stuff can be hard to take!?" when I can see she's unusually reserved this time around.

She says, y'know, I can take criticism when its warranted, but the reviewer created an issue by not accepting I don't offer Greek. A real scene. She de-escalated the issue mid-session, but clearly any chemistry that had existed was lost, hence bad session - bad review. She says " Every fucking guy that comes through the door and meets me for the first time becomes instantly obsessed with my bum! But my published services are clearly stated...why do I keep having to go through this difficult discussion each time, and always go home worrying that another "bad" review will result from my refusal of this particular fetish!?" Clearly the issue is stressing her out. In my opinion, its just not fair to treat the ladies like this...sex is supposed to be FUN. When it becomes oppressive, no wonder ladies wind up jaded or downright nasty, worse, lose what original passion for sensuality/sexuality they may have had when entering the industry in the first place.

What bugs me most is that this type of asshat behaviour is what makes women lose their basic respect for men. It's just not necessary, and creates havoc in the hobby world, if not everywhere else. Most men wouldn't put up with that shit in their work-a-day lives if they were being subjected to it constantly, so why do they expect its all good when they're dishing it in their secret hobby endeavours? Just boils down to simple abuse. Not cool.

Good advice - Listen AND Hear what the lady says. Listening is just NOT enough.

Just my 2 cents...
 

cyberhunter

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what about kayla and the cim

I had to post something about this a few months ago as well. I do not allow CIM with any of my girls. If they want to do that, they can work elsewhere. It is just my rule.

I have had to blacklist 3 people from our agency jut last week because "oops, they accidentally busted" in her mouth. It is not an accident but a forcible sexual act.

No means NO. :mad:
So what about Kayla shes famous for the bbbjtcmsw.. what happens now
 

Aardvark154

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Someone who is shit faced (from alcohol and/or drug) and almost passed out is not "enthusiastically consenting" to sex just because they are too drunk/stoned to say no.
Known to some of us here as "inablity to give consent" or "inablity to give informed consent." That most definately is not what I was mentioning. (Indeed it is Rape)
Actually, a girl (paid or unpaid) can say NO at ANY time. It does not have to be at the beginning of the session.
Sorry if I gave the impression that she only has one chance to say no. You are entirely correct in what you say and certainly that is the law in most places here in North America on the point.
Even if she says "yes" on the phone, there maybe other factors (that are mostly to do with YOU) that may make her change her mind DURING the session. If that occurs........NO still means NO!
Of course no, means that. But it is also her responsiblity to make sure that she has said no and that you have heard her say that. Just as it is your responsiblity to discuss it in the first place. However, some people prefer to conduct that business negotiation before the session, hence if the rules are changing that should be made clear.

Still I think there is a difference between client says I'm close you didn't say a thing and client CIM and then you are upset; and client is attempting anal you say no and they keeping trying to do so.
 
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