"Canadian prostitutes sue for right to open bordellos"

[misdirected]

I offer the following news story without comment. Sorry if it's already been posted before, I haven't been checking up on TERB much in recent weeks.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/091006/canada/canada_society_prostitution_justice_court

 

[james t kirk]

I'm not so sure about opening brothels just anywhere.

I wouldn't have a problem if they opened up in industrial or commercial parks - like allot of the rub and tugs (Allure, HFH, SRM, etc.) , but I'd have a real problem with it if they started opening up in houses in residential areas.

To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure I see a problem with the existing system. Outcalls are legal - that's fine by me.

I definitely don't want to see a street walker scene in Toronto. It's not necessarily the girls that are the problem, it's the fuck heads that go with it.

 

[Riley.Royal]

I am for the right to work from home as long as your not making a disturbance. Isolation is harmful why should we be separated from the rest of society.

 

[Bear669]

The Problem with the existing system..

I'm not so sure about opening brothels just anywhere.

I wouldn't have a problem if they opened up in industrial or commercial parks - like allot of the rub and tugs (Allure, HFH, SRM, etc.) , but I'd have a real problem with it if they started opening up in houses in residential areas.

To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure I see a problem with the existing system. Outcalls are legal - that's fine by me.

I definitely don't want to see a street walker scene in Toronto. It's not necessarily the girls that are the problem, it's the fuck heads that go with it.

... and ANY system that criminalizes sex between consenting adults- is that the laws ALWAYS increase the risk to SPs of death, injury, extortion and blackmail.

As part of this court case I read a big stack of sociological studies from around the world. Despite a lot of agenda and PC driven crap, the conclusion is inescapable.

 

[Berlin]

... aaah, Bedford.

As for decriminalization, I am all for it. How many more years / decade it will take to achieve that is the question.

 

[james t kirk]

I am for the right to work from home as long as your not making a disturbance. Isolation is harmful why should we be separated from the rest of society.

Cause I don't want a pile of cars / men and the BS that goes with it where I live.

So no, you're not OK to work from home in my books. It is impossible to quantify exactly what "making a disturbance" is. That's why they have this thing called "zoning".

Since you're charging for it - it's commercial, so keep it in the commercial areas. If you're too cheap to rent a place then let the law come after you for all I care.

 

[Thunderballs]

Cause I don't want a pile of cars / men and the BS that goes with it where I live.

So no, you're not OK to work from home in my books. It is impossible to quantify exactly what "making a disturbance" is. That's why they have this thing called "zoning".

Since you're charging for it - it's commercial, so keep it in the commercial areas. If you're too cheap to rent a place then let the law come after you for all I care.

I totally agree with Kirk. But more to the point that it creates traffic within a residential area of let's face it, some less than desirable characters at times. It's not like a programmer working from home. It's a high traffic business that belongs in a commercial zone.

 

[Bear669]

Sure ZONING laws..

Cause I don't want a pile of cars / men and the BS that goes with it where I live.

So no, you're not OK to work from home in my books. It is impossible to quantify exactly what "making a disturbance" is. That's why they have this thing called "zoning".

Since you're charging for it - it's commercial, so keep it in the commercial areas. If you're too cheap to rent a place then let the law come after you for all I care.

No need for special category. Residents could reasonably object to a milk store in the wrong place too, due to heavy traffic.

 

[neverwas]

Most municipalities provide a right to operate a home-based business within a residential zone. It is not uncommon for those same by-laws to allow at least one employee to work in the home-based business. Those types of businesses are readily distinguished from retail stores in current by-laws.
The question then would be whether a one person brothel is one of the home-based businesses allowed in a residential zone. Politicians would likely want to separate that type of business from other home-based businesses and could likely justify doing so.
The issue for the current Toronto hearing is whether the Criminal Code provision prohibiting bawdy houses violates an SP's rights. If it does, and if it is not a "reasonable limitation justifiable in a free and democratic society" the prohibition will be struck down.
Then and only then it will become a zoning issue to be dealt with by each municipality. At the present time brothels operate in many cities without any zoning control, but only controlled by the police, if at all.
If brothels are decriminalized municipalities will quickly decide the zoning issue.

 

[Sammy the Bull]

That dickweed Victor Malarek was on the radio again today spouting nonsense about how legalization will increase trafficking in women...etc.
That guy needs to get a life

 

[Stokley]

Sorry if it`s already been posted before, I haven`t been checking up on TERB much in recent weeks.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=255457

3 pages and 50+ posts

 

[Meister]

What Canada should do is to research other countries that have relaxed the rules. Trying to avoid the mistakes other countries have made and come up with the best possible system.

I think good points would be:
- licensing of SPs
- mandatory health checkups
- zoning for incalls as well as bordellos confining them to non-residential areas
- controls on advertising

Things to avoid are:
- red light districts that would concentrate many establishments in one area attracting crime
- temporary or foreign workers

 

[Stokley]

What Canada should do is to research other countries that have relaxed the rules.

We have, here is a link to the report.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Committee/391/JUST/Reports/RP2599932/justrp06/sslrrp06-e.pdf

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2800833&postcount=48

Read pages 77 to 84 in many cases violence against women actually increased.

Some countries went back to making prostitution illegal because of there was even greater organized crime activity.

 

[Meister]

We have, here is a link to the report.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Committee/391/JUST/Reports/RP2599932/justrp06/sslrrp06-e.pdf

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2800833&postcount=48

Read pages 77 to 84 in many cases violence against women actually increased.

Some countries went back to making prostitution illegal because of there was even greater organized crime activity.

Exactly what I was suggesting, force licensing.
In Netherlands crime went up because the drug addicted prostitutes did not want to get licensed and wanted to sell their services in unregulated zones.

My point is, clients will gravitate towards safe, regulated brothels, massage parlours.... and it will force the druggies to either clean up or ship out.

I favour the system in Germany where most of the prostitution has moved to FKKs or Brothels. There is very little SWs in Germany for 2 reasons, clients don`t want the risk and prices in FKKs are very reasonable.

 

[GDLLover]

How about using the Nevada brothels as an example, it seems to work.

Don't start with all the crime in Vegas as thats a completely different area.

GDL

 

[WhaWhaWha]

How about using the Nevada brothels as an example, it seems to work.

Don't start with all the crime in Vegas as thats a completely different area.

GDL

The Brothels in Nevada confine their women, they say, to avoid risks for temporary periods. It's a brutal lifestyle. If they don't like the confinement or suddenly need to go, then they are free to leave in the middle of a work cycle without pay for work done. I agree that the incall law precludes honest working women from plying their trade, but it does sweep away the confinement issue with a broad brush.

 

[GDLLover]

The Brothels in Nevada confine their women, they say, to avoid risks for temporary periods. It's a brutal lifestyle. If they don't like the confinement or suddenly need to go, then they are free to leave in the middle of a work cycle without pay for work done. I agree that the incall law precludes honest working women from plying their trade, but it does sweep away the confinement issue with a broad brush.

I didn't know that, its not like i've ever been there either.

Ok, that setup sucks for the ladies. I do think that the same type of incall ranch system could be used here as long as the ladies can have their freedom to come and go as long as they set their hours. It could work like the agencies here in TO. Of course they only would get paid when actually working.

Basically replaces the cost of hotel or condo with a mortgaged house.

GDL