Zelensky condemns NATO leaders (and I agree with him)

[fall]

From BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60532634

Reportedly speaking from his office in Kyiv, Zelensky condemned Nato leaders' refusal on Friday to establish a no-fly-zone over his country.
Zelensky said: "All the people who die, starting today, will also die because of you. Because of your weakness, because of your disconnection."
He continued: "The Nato summit took place today. A weak summit. A confused summit. A summit that shows that not everyone considers the fight for freedom for Europe the number one goal."
"All the intelligence agencies of the Nato countries are well aware of the enemy's plans. They confirmed that Russia wants to continue the offensive."
"Nato has deliberately decided not to close the skies over Ukraine. Nato countries created a narrative that closing the skies over Ukraine would provoke Russia's direct aggression against Nato."
“This is the self-hypnosis of those who are weak, insecure inside, despite the fact they possess weapons many times stronger than we have."

 

[oil&gas]

Is it his way of telling Putin NATO sucks and he won't join it
after the invasion? Seeing that Canada is the only member
who got the guts to sanction Russian oil Zelensky is convinced
he can't depend on NATO for protection even as a member
nation Putin will soon announce mission accomplished and
withdraw his army having amassed sumptuous oil profits.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

Nato responds: Soviet occupation of Ukraine is better than ww3.

 

[fall]

Is it his way of telling Putin NATO sucks and he won't join it
after the invasion? Seeing that Canada is the only member
who got the guts to sanction Russian oil Zelensky is convinced
he can't depend on NATO for protection even as a member
nation Putin will soon announce mission accomplished and
withdraw his army having amassed sumptuous oil profits.

It is a symbolic gesture. Same as when U.S will ban the oil import from Russia,. Neither Canada nor U.S. import meaningful amount of oil from Russia. It is EU that need to stop gas and oil import.

 

[HungSowel]

If Putin did not have nukes, NATO, the US, and even the girl scouts would be in Ukraine stomping Russia into the ground. It also goes without saying that NATO would never invade Russia because it has nukes, regardless if Ukraine is a buffer zone or not.

I think Putin is in this for his own ego, it is not about security or other earthy things. There is no negotiation with ego.

 

[fall]

Nato responds: Soviet occupation of Ukraine is better than ww3.

Yes, and it is exactly what is wrong with NATO: they are weak and are not willing to fight. Hell, Biden even surrendered to Taliban because of a few U.S. casualties. They rather wait until Russia occupies Ukraine and then gradually ease restrictions and will trade with Russia again. They do not care about democracy - only about their own well-being. And Russia is no Soviet - it is totalitarian. Canada is more communist than Russia.

 

[fall]

If Putin did not have nukes, NATO, the US, and even the girl scouts would be in Ukraine stomping Russia into the ground. It also goes without saying that NATO would never invade Russia because it has nukes, regardless if Ukraine is a buffer zone or not.

I think Putin is in this for his own ego, it is not about security or other earthy things. There is no negotiation with ego.

So, what if next Putin will invade Finland and Latvia? And then Moldova, Poland, and Sweden? Then Check republic and Slovakia? At which point NATO will be willing to stop him despite of him having the nukes? The current sanctions should have being imposed 8 years ago when he annexed Crimea. If NATO will not be willing to use military force now, it will show a weakness and Putin will surely try to get a piece of Baltic states next.

 

[HungSowel]

So, what if next Putin will invade Finland and Latvia? And then Moldova, Poland, and Sweden? Then Check republic and Slovakia? At which point NATO will be willing to stop him despite of him having the nukes? The current sanctions should have being imposed 8 years ago when he annexed Crimea. If NATO will not be willing to use military force now, it will show a weakness and Putin will surely try to get a piece of Baltic states next.

NATO needs to get them into NATO ASAP.

NATO not going at it with Russia is not a sign of weakness it is a sign of pragmatism. Putin already made nuclear threats.

 

[Frankfooter]

So, what if next Putin will invade Finland and Latvia? And then Moldova, Poland, and Sweden? Then Check republic and Slovakia? At which point NATO will be willing to stop him despite of him having the nukes? The current sanctions should have being imposed 8 years ago when he annexed Crimea. If NATO will not be willing to use military force now, it will show a weakness and Putin will surely try to get a piece of Baltic states next.

Putin is clearing troops across the country for Ukraine.
They don't have enough left, smart bombs for jets, tires for trucks or enough stupid kids to try another war.

 

[HungSowel]

Likely many countries are sending in their special forces under the guise of volunteers to help Ukraine. Also, it is likely that tanks and other heavy equipment are being sent to Ukraine but it would be the same models of soviet era weapons that Ukraine already has because there is plausible deniability.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

Before the invasion, When Biden was saying Americans get out, I knew that Ukraine was on its own. And look what the west is doing, cancelling and sanctioning a regime that is like North Korea. It’s not gonna work. Putin will jail and kill his own pple. Ukraine is fucked. The comedian is fucked.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-nato-war-russia-1.6373148

 

[fall]

Before the invasion, When Biden was saying Americans get out, I knew that Ukraine was on its own. And look what the west is doing, cancelling and sanctioning a regime that is like North Korea. It’s not gonna work. Putin will jail and kill his own pple. Ukraine is fucked. The comedian is fucked.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-nato-war-russia-1.6373148

But our own clown will get as much benefits from it as possible. A few dollars sent to Ukraine, harsh words, virtue signalling through "not importing oil from Russia", and no real actions is what he is good at. Instead of demonstration in front of Russian embassies (who cares about it - just another virtual signalling), people should demonstrate in front of their own parliaments demanding real actions against Putin.

 

[Insidious Von]

I'm surprised that Putin is allowing Alexei Navalny to live. Putin has good reason to fear him, he made clear the longer Putin is in power the poorer Russians will become.

Putin's mandate has him in power until 2035 minimum. Russia has festering social problems that are not being addressed. The population of the country is 144 million and dropping, by 2035 it may reach 128 million...less than Nigeria.

Too bad General MacArthur isn't around, he'd know what to do. So much for Man of Steel, Stalin was a Big Chicken.

 

[james t kirk]

The true test of NATO will come when Putin invades Poland.

That would invoke Article 5, "you attack one of us, you attack all of us".

I don't think NATO would let that slide. It remains to be seen whether or not Putin wants to test NATO's resolve.

 

[shack]

Nato responds: Soviet occupation of Ukraine is better than ww3.

I'd say that there's merit to that statement.

 

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This is crazy to even suggest this.

Zelensky is desperate now and willing to say and try anything to deflect the efforts off him and pull others in.

Like they said before Putin has a huge ego, god and narcissistic issues and who knows what else. He is disconnected from reality. He doesn’t care about life but an idea. He will not hesitate to send nukes all around the world in support of his ideas.

Do you guys even realize what that means? How many people will die instantly and long term if that happens who are supporting this?

I am actually surprised that Trudeau stood up against this and NATO didn’t knee jerk and did they right thing despite the media want so bad for it to happen like we saw during the nuclear attack plant and how much these reputable news organizations ran with misinformation that could have led to no fly zones and nuclear wars.

To the people who support no fly zones I honestly believe you don’t understand people, their nature history and what they are capable and what this really means for the world. This is different then movies and what your idea of war is. You are not thinking even of China and how they are just waiting and observing with their 1.45 BILLION people.

What should happen IMO is nato on standby. Unfortunately Ukraine will fall. Russia won’t attack those other countries right away. During this time invest is missile defense, and whatever else systems they need to ensure they can withstand a nuclear war. Right now many people are naïve to what this means. NATO is not ready for a nuclear war but Russia and China are. Do you even realize how demoralized and weakened the soldiers have gotten especially in the past few years? Their willingness to defend and fight is just not the same.

If Ukrainian didn’t give up their nukes they would’ve been attacked. This is a huge lesson to all in the world.

If you are interested to understand what this means listen to this…

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498733549662482433

^she said Ukraine was the 3rd worlds largest nuclear country and signed a piece of paper that their sovereignty will be guaranteed and see how well that worked out. She also says and paints how brutal it is. Do you really think Putin cares if he creates wwiii with nukes. They have subs all over the world with 500 nukes ffs. You people need to wake up and stop spreading this because it is NOT a good idea. It is not smart and wise, despite all of us want to help it will NOT. This happened because of peoples naivety and delusion about war and what this really means. Let’s not keep repeating the same mistakes and signing a piece of paper for sovereignty. Fucking WAKE UP and learn and understand before it is too late.

Also keep this in mind. Some wealthy elites like Putin think nuclear war is good for global warming and want this to happen. Be smart and don’t get sucked in.

 

[mellowjello]

Is it his way of telling Putin NATO sucks and he won't join it
after the invasion? Seeing that Canada is the only member
who got the guts to sanction Russian oil Zelensky is convinced
he can't depend on NATO for protection even as a member
nation Putin will soon announce mission accomplished and
withdraw his army having amassed sumptuous oil profits.

I may have missed it but did you give credit to Trudeau for that somewhere on this board?
If you did I commend you, if not, why not and do you think that just fell out of the sky?

 

[K Douglas]

So, what if next Putin will invade Finland and Latvia? And then Moldova, Poland, and Sweden? Then Check republic and Slovakia? At which point NATO will be willing to stop him despite of him having the nukes? The current sanctions should have being imposed 8 years ago when he annexed Crimea. If NATO will not be willing to use military force now, it will show a weakness and Putin will surely try to get a piece of Baltic states next.

Putin wants the Donbas region and a security guarantee that Ukraine won't join NATO. He has no designs on expanding westward. He doesn't have any interest in occupying Ukraine because he knows his military does not have the logistical capacity to do so. That has become very apparent over the course of the invasion so far.

 

[K Douglas]

The true test of NATO will come when Putin invades Poland.

That would invoke Article 5, "you attack one of us, you attack all of us".

I don't think NATO would let that slide. It remains to be seen whether or not Putin wants to test NATO's resolve.

Not gonna happen.

 

[Anbarandy]

Putin wants the Donbas region and a security guarantee that Ukraine won't join NATO. He has no designs on expanding westward. He doesn't have any interest in occupying Ukraine because he knows his military does not have the logistical capacity to do so. That has become very apparent over the course of the invasion so far.

Wow just wow.