Your Daughters

[genintoronto]

It isn't cultural. It is religious and has seeped in to the culture through time. I think Quran clearly states that women are supposed to cover their bodies and hair when they go outside their house or in a situation where men who are not close family could lay eyes on them.

Like any other human/social behaviors, the rational and motivations for women to wear the veil (or other forms of covering) are a bit more complex than that: religion, culture, nationalism, personal history and preferences all come to play.

For instance, during the revolutions in Turkey and Iran, many women started wearing the veil as a stance against imperialism. Today in France, the headscarf is frequently worn by young women for explicitly political reasons, such as their support for the Palestinian cause, for instance. Other wear it as an identity marker, to mark their belonging to a cultural/national/religious community.

This is not to deny that some/many women are forced to cover themselve by a religious patriarchal society. But to suggest that all women who wear the veil do so only because the Quran says so (which not everybody agrees on in the first place) is as simplistic (and wrong) as suggesting that all women who get fake boobs do so because our sexist patriarchal society 'forced' them to do so.

 

[Rylan]

It really isn't hypocrisy.

Yes it is.

When you have no issues fucking someone else daughter, but have all these feelings about whether it was your daughter, it is hypocrisy.

Also I think you are really taking it to heart since you keep calling the OP names and putting him down for his right to post the question, and his opinion - which is the same as yours BTW.

 

[LexingtonJeremy]

Call me a creep, but I think it would be kind of cool that guys found my daughter that attractive.

 

[oldjones]

Where it goes stupid is where Dad can't imagine daughter as a sexual being. She is, or will be. Get over it. If it's OK for you to be, so it's OK for her, and if those occupations are OK for you to patronize, then they're OK for your daughter, even if you think she might do better.

Or you could resolve to daily admit to being a two-faced, hypocrite to yourself and to her. This is important because you will be bringing her up to be one as well, and she should get all the warning you can give her.





One, a son, since you asked.

 

[Rockslinger]

where Dad can't imagine daughter as a sexual being. She is, or will be. Get over it.

Shoot. Are we back on topic again? Does this mean no more babes on motorcycle pics?

 

[snowleopard]

Where it goes stupid is where Dad can't imagine daughter as a sexual being. She is, or will be. Get over it. If it's OK for you to be, so it's OK for her, and if those occupations are OK for you to patronize, then they're OK for your daughter, even if you think she might do better.

Or you could resolve to daily admit to being a two-faced, hypocrite to yourself and to her. This is important because you will be bringing her up to be one as well, and she should get all the warning you can give her.

Well said ... I tend to agree that if we bring up our kids to be independent, thoughtful, resourceful, free spirits, and they then choose, for whatever reason, to become an SP, then we should ultimately respect that decision, whether or not we agree. There are a lot of choices our kids make that we don't necessarily agree with (I sure as hell did when I was a kid), however, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt, and respect their right to make those choices. I would never disown my daughter, or love her any less, if I found out she had become an SP. And judging by some of the remarkable ladies who frequent terb, and others that I've visited, I'd half to say that some parents, and/or other care-givers, did a pretty damn good job of raisng them. They sure have nothing to be ashamed of, and I'm not sure that I do either.

 

[oldjones]

Had I a daughter, she could do way worse than emulate some of the fine and special women I have met in this biz. It's not what you do but what you are that counts.

 

[Gyaos]

Yes I DO have a daughter!!!!! She 26 ,married and has a 4 month old son. I would be very upset if I found out she was SP MPA etc

If she's hot, I wouldn't. Let me know when she's working. However, if her babysitter is hotter, well, you won't have anything to worry 'bout 'cuz da babysitter can take the job instead for my dough and blow.

Gyaos.

 

[Tiffany_69]

Yes

Had I a daughter, she could do way worse than emulate some of the fine and special women I have met in this biz. It's not what you do but what you are that counts.

You are so right. I just got off phone with a pro Athlete, he said same. Hockey is what I do babe not who I am.

 

[alex52]

Well said ... I tend to agree that if we bring up our kids to be independent, thoughtful, resourceful, free spirits, and they then choose, for whatever reason, to become an SP, then we should ultimately respect that decision, whether or not we agree. There are a lot of choices our kids make that we don't necessarily agree with (I sure as hell did when I was a kid), however, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt, and respect their right to make those choices. I would never disown my daughter, or love her any less, if I found out she had become an SP. And judging by some of the remarkable ladies who frequent terb, and others that I've visited, I'd half to say that some parents, and/or other care-givers, did a pretty damn good job of raisng them. They sure have nothing to be ashamed of, and I'm not sure that I do either.

What you say is logical, but I think its theoretical until you have been through such a situation.
Kids can hurt a caring parents pretty badly with their actions without realizing it.
We are all hypocritical sometimes in our lives, it's impossible not to be hypocritical. We live with contradictions all the time.

 

[21pro]

Knowing what you know about the SP MP business,What would you do, how would feel if your daughter became a SP or MPA?

collect 30%.

 

[snowleopard]

What you say is logical, but I think its theoretical until you have been through such a situation.
Kids can hurt a caring parents pretty badly with their actions without realizing it.
We are all hypocritical sometimes in our lives, it's impossible not to be hypocritical. We live with contradictions all the time.

True enough ... I didn't say I would be totally comfortable with such a choice, I just said I would respect her right, as an adult, to make that choice.

Given what I'm spending to send her to university in France this year, I'm not so crazy about that choice either! But I believe that travel will make her a more well-rounded and open-minded person, and the importance of having a second language, so I make sacrifices ... like seeing my favorite SPs.

 

[whoasweet]

Sorry but this statement just reminded me how ignorant some Westerners are....
I spend two months every year in the Middle East visiting family. So I know the lifestyle/beliefs/culture pretty well...

The reason many women cover their bodies: 1) out of self respect and for the protection of their bodies so men will not stare 2) for religious reasons, although the Koran only states a woman must cover her hair while in prayer 3) for cultural reasons (In Yemen, women began covering their bodies after foreign armies began raping the beautiful women). I cover my body when I am in the middle east. Men respect a woman who is covered, and women respect themselves when they are covered. I made the mistake of not covering when I took a trip to Egypt... I felt the difference greatly.

Many women are allowed to drive but choose not to. In most Middle Eastern countries women do not drive because 1) the roads are crazy and dangerous! 2) police officers will not speak to women drivers in fear of insulting/disrespecting her and hence, causing conflict with her father,brother,husband, etc...

Today, most (if not all) Middle Eastern countries now permit women to vote. Yes, it is behind, but it is changing.

Some countries do not permit women to be alone with men, other than their brothers or father. This is for both religious purposes and to avoid conflict between a man and the woman's family. I do not hear you commenting on all the Mormon families who will not allow their children to date unless chaperoned....

Sorry, don't want to stir the pot ... But I just had to let you know from first hand experience.

You summed that up perfectly. My parents are Tunisian and I've been all over that country. When my mom is there she covers herself by choice but there are lots who chose not to, also. Women there aren't oppressed like people think. It irks me when people assume arab/middle eastern/north african countries are exactly how they're described on ignorant TV shows and movies. But I also kind of understand why a lot of people don't have a clue about what it's like there because of the way the media generally portrays our culture. That is a whole other conversation though haha. Basically what I'm trying to say is Aden is right

 

[Mencken]

The OP topic is something I have thought about...and probably one of the things that has kept me from FS. But even that would be hypocritical of me...I go to strip clubs so am guilty of the same hypocrisy. But...other posts have said it...there are really two parts to this. For most of us we have a hard time with any thought relating to our daughter's sexuality. This is normal. Probably nature's way of keeping us from inbreeding. Whatever the case that makes any thought of sexuality let alone sex worker seem uncomfortable.

I would be uncomfortable with the the idea of one of my daughters being in the industry, but if it was her choice and a choice not made under duress I suppose I would get used to it and would certainly try to be supportive and a "normal father" irregardless. But to be honest I think it would be hard and I know that is somewhat hypocritical on my part.

As for it being "empowering", etc....It may very well be, but that might not make me feel a lot better.

It certainly could be financially empowering. Far too many kids are far too vulnerable when it comes to money, so as a parent I have to be at least generous enough to see that they don't have to do something they are truly not comfortable with in order to make enough money to live on. But if someone I loved chose that as a way to make a living...I guess I would have to get over it. And not hobby in that neighborhood...for sure.

 

[OddSox]

...women cover their bodies: 1) out of self respect and for the protection of their bodies so men will not stare...

Yet, in our western culture, we have young women (and girls) walking around the streets wearing not much of anything - but expect men not to look because "that's just rude". Some of the hypocrisies in western culture are just as bad as the apparent misogyny in eastern cultures...

On topic, I have no problem with my daughter doing whatever she wants with her life as long as it makes her happy. In fact, I would prefer that she lives her life in an 'honest' career like stripping or SP-ing, as compared to the dishonesty of some of the young girl rock stars like Brittany and Lindsay - who are obviously not very happy even though they are stinking rich...

I mean, dancing half naked in front of millions of people and claiming that you're 'saving yourself for marriage' while singing 'If you seek Amy' is anything but honest work...

 

[herames]

a recent film relative to this thread is "The Babysitters" (2007)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796302/

kind of interesting on the whole to watch.

 

[OddSox]

a recent film relative to this thread is "The Babysitters" (2007)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796302/

kind of interesting on the whole to watch.

"Shirley is just your normal babysitting teenager, until she begins an affair with one of her clients (John Leguizamo). After he slips her a few extra bucks in addition to her normal babysitting fee, she quickly decides to make this into a business opportunity and gets her girlfriends into the act of making dough the 'hard' way."

An entrepreneur!

 

[Bear669]

No daughters, but...

Over the last few years I have often thought about my 'baby' sister being an SP.

Needs $ badly. She really is hot for men and sex.
Even though she is well past prime years for the biz, she is very good looking with a great body and style, and smart.

Unfortunately, she has the maturity of an average teenager- i.e., no survival instincts. So for THAT reason, I would never want her near the biz.

As for my 22 year old niece- after she finishes MD school she is heading for Darfur.
Would I prefer she were a top SP in Toronto? YOU BET YOUR ASS!

 

[rama putri]

What happened to the whole "sex work is empowering for women" argument that some were making in another thread a little while ago?

LMAO Good one. Funny how men attribute professions to women as their sole identity.

 

[Mr. Lucky]

I'm going to go on a date with Bear669's niece

Taking her out for a nice dinner then back to the hotel with a
nice bubble bath and champagne. I will make sure I take a good viagra