Yes indeed, shark fin soup for you. Judge tosses TO shark fin ban.

mandrill

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Nothing to do with sharks. City Council simply cannot legally legislate on issues and topics which are vastly beyond its purview. I ask myself why the fuck they got into this debate in the first place, knowing that they were acting illegally??!!

We'll be paying the city's legal fees for this ludicrous piece of shit nonsense.
 

Terminator2000

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Nothing to do with sharks. City Council simply cannot legally legislate on issues and topics which are vastly beyond its purview. I ask myself why the fuck they got into this debate in the first place, knowing that they were acting illegally??!!

We'll be paying the city's legal fees for this ludicrous piece of shit nonsense.
speak for yourself, asshole. i wouldn't mind paying the city's legal fees to save mother nature. in case you haven't noticed. mother nature can't just be replaced.
 

MattRoxx

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speak for yourself, asshole. i wouldn't mind paying the city's legal fees to save mother nature.
Me too. They cut off the fin and then throw the sharks back in the water to die...it's a sick, outdated practice that should be stopped immediately. And of course the city can pass a by-law to ban the serviing of shark fin soup. I don't see how the Ontario judge came to his conclusion; there's no enshrined provincial right to eat shark fins.
There are still bans in effect in Oakville and Brantford.

 

Don

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speak for yourself, asshole. i wouldn't mind paying the city's legal fees to save mother nature. in case you haven't noticed. mother nature can't just be replaced.
Hello? oagre is not supporting the sale of shark fin. He is saying that the council never had the power to pass a ban!
 

Samurai Joey

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From what I gather in the news report, the judge is not arguing the merits of the law but is stating that municipalities do not have jurisdiction in passing such laws.

Now personally I would not eat shark fin soup, as the world's population of sharks is declining. However, I wonder to myself whether a ban of this sort at the municipal level is really an effective means of protecting the shark population. A more effective approach would be through educational campaigns targeting the Chinese community (the primary consumers of shark fin soup), boycotts of restaurants or businesses selling shark fins or serving shark fin soup, and/or campaigning for a federal law banning the sale of shark fins.
 
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Nothing to do with sharks. City Council simply cannot legally legislate on issues and topics which are vastly beyond its purview. I ask myself why the fuck they got into this debate in the first place, knowing that they were acting illegally??!!

We'll be paying the city's legal fees for this ludicrous piece of shit nonsense.
The ethics of eating shark fin soup aside, it is not in the jurisdiction of any municipality ( The City of Toronto included ) to forbid that consumption shark fin soup.

They did this knowing that there would be a constitutional challenge and that they would loose. This is your tax dollars at work. Counting all the work done to draft this law and then mount a defense against the challenge plus the time of the courts. This fiasco cost easily well over a million dollars.

I have to wonder if this was all a show to gain popularity for the party in power at City Hall.
 

MattRoxx

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The ethics of eating shark fin soup aside, it is not in the jurisdiction of any municipality ( The City of Toronto included ) to forbid that consumption shark fin soup.
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Why is it not within a city's jurisdiction? They can license food carts - what they sell, and where they can park; they make by-laws about food prep and storage for restaurants. Kensington Market used to have live chickens for sale; a by-law put an end to that.
I don't know if there's a by-law against, but pretty sure there's nowhere in Toronto to order up sannakji.

What makes shark fins such a special case, that is exempt from by-laws?
 

mrsCALoki

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What makes shark fins such a special case, that is exempt from by-laws?
Someone told me they did not create the by-law in the correct format.

They could pass a law to say that it ca only be sold in specific locations and require a $100,000 permit pre month to sell it. But they cannot do it the way they worded it. Sort of like passing a law beyond their level of authority.


But the above may be BS,. It was explained to me by a magistrate, and they can be confusing.
 

Ceiling Cat

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Why is it not within a city's jurisdiction? They can license food carts - what they sell, and where they can park; they make by-laws about food prep and storage for restaurants. Kensington Market used to have live chickens for sale; a by-law put an end to that.
I don't know if there's a by-law against, but pretty sure there's nowhere in Toronto to order up sannakji.

What makes shark fins such a special case, that is exempt from by-laws?
Licensing of food cart has to do with the sanitary condition in which these food carts operate, there is also a traffic concern where in some areas you would not want any to hamper pedestrian or vehicle traffic. Selling of live chickens have to do with the sanitary condition, where you have live chickens, you have chicken shit. I had to look up what sannakji. is, but if there are no establishments serving it. Maybe there is no demand.

I will give you an analogy to the shark fin prohibition in Toronto. There is a prohibition to sell, trade or own ivory in Canada because ivory comes from endangered species. This is the law of Canada, and not a law of any municipality. The jurisdiction to ban the sale or trade of ivory is Federal. not Provincial or municipal.
 

shack

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speak for yourself, asshole. i wouldn't mind paying the city's legal fees to save mother nature. in case you haven't noticed. mother nature can't just be replaced.
You miss the point, (insert adjective). The money wasn't wasted on saving nature, it was wasted on passing a law which they had no legal right to pass in the first place and then really wasted on defending it in court on a case that they had absolutely no chance of winning.

The sentiment may be have been good but they were stupid and wasteful in passing it and then trying to defend it when it was never in their jurisdiction of law making.
 

msog87

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first of all, the ban is useless. And second if people like shark fin soup then theres nothing wrong with it. Animals have been going extinct for thousands of years I don;t see the big deal, and as far as I know the shark is not in any danger of extinction and is well protected in many waters. One way to solve the "problem" of endangered species is to farm the animals. farm tigers, sharks etc for commercial production just like with cows and chickens.
 

msog87

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speak for yourself, asshole. i wouldn't mind paying the city's legal fees to save mother nature. in case you haven't noticed. mother nature can't just be replaced.


you are dreaming, I love your optimism. and like others have said city council had no right to impose the ban. This is what govt does, they abuse their power
 

Mervyn

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I have no problem with banning shark fins, the whole thing is barbaric to me, but this never should have never been done on the municipal level, but on the provincial level, or better yet Federal.
 

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The sentiment may be have been good but they were stupid and wasteful in passing it and then trying to defend it when it was never in their jurisdiction of law making.
Loony liberal lefties, but legal or not, I still won't eat shark fin soup.
 
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