Yes indeed, shark fin soup for you. Judge tosses TO shark fin ban.

[Rockslinger]

No animals should be killed to feed humans.

I wouldn't go that far but I heard that the fins are chopped off live sharks and then tossed back into the water to drown. BTW: Plants and vegetables also feel pain. They are living beings as well.

 

[Thousand]

Shark fin or not, this doesn't benefit the Torontonian at all. Thank you to your councillors who have nothing better to do than to vote and fight for something that does not help us.

 

[Thousand]

Why don't the councillors just build a fucken gladiator arena to further distract us of our need to build a better Toronto?

 

[MattRoxx]

Licensing of food cart has to do with the sanitary condition in which these food carts operate, there is also a traffic concern where in some areas you would not want any to hamper pedestrian or vehicle traffic. Selling of live chickens have to do with the sanitary condition, where you have live chickens, you have chicken shit. I had to look up what sannakji. is, but if there are no establishments serving it. Maybe there is no demand.

I will give you an analogy to the shark fin prohibition in Toronto. There is a prohibition to sell, trade or own ivory in Canada because ivory comes from endangered species. This is the law of Canada, and not a law of any municipality. The jurisdiction to ban the sale or trade of ivory is Federal. not Provincial or municipal.

Nothing you have posted indicates that a municipality does not have the power to pass a by-law prohibiting the sale of ivory, or anything else. The municipality is passing by-laws about food, for various reasons and justifications, and you agree that it has the power to do so.

Just as a restaurant can be shut down if there are mice present, I see no reason that a restaurant could not be shut down if there are shark fins present.

 

[5hummer]

Why don't the councillors just build a fucken gladiator arena to further distract us of our need to build a better Toronto?

You didn't see Ford's last day at City Hall? "Liar! Liar! Liar!"

 

[MattRoxx]

first of all, the ban is useless. And second if people like shark fin soup then theres nothing wrong with it. Animals have been going extinct for thousands of years I don;t see the big deal, and as far as I know the shark is not in any danger of extinction and is well protected in many waters. One way to solve the "problem" of endangered species is to farm the animals. farm tigers, sharks etc for commercial production just like with cows and chickens.

Of course it should surprise no one that what you say you know, is wrong.

Consumers of shark fin soup — a delicacy served in Washington and major cities around the country — may be unwittingly consuming animals threatened with extinction, according to a analysis released Thursday.

A team of scientists from Stony Brook University and Chicago’s Field Museum, working in conjunction with the Pew Environment Group, found that some of the soup purchased in 14 major U.S. cities featured fins from imperiled species — including scalloped hammerheads, smooth hammerheads, school sharks and spiny dogfish.
All four species face some threat of extinction, according to the International Union for Conservation of Nature.

“The soup test is significant because it shows the United States is also contributing to the global decline of sharks. And Americans who eat the shark’s fin soup may be consuming an endangered species without even knowing it,” Liz Karan, manager of global shark conservation at the Pew Environment Group, said in a telephone call with reporters. “This is bad for sharks, but also bad for the ocean environment.”

About one-third of all shark species are vulnerable to extinction, according to the IUCN, because they are targeted for their fins and because they are caught accidentally by vessels fishing for species such as tuna and swordfish.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

first of all, the ban is useless. And second if people like shark fin soup then theres nothing wrong with it. Animals have been going extinct for thousands of years I don;t see the big deal, and as far as I know the shark is not in any danger of extinction and is well protected in many waters. One way to solve the "problem" of endangered species is to farm the animals. farm tigers, sharks etc for commercial production just like with cows and chickens.

Good idea! Farmed humans! Baby back ribs!

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Moron.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Nothing you have posted indicates that a municipality does not have the power to pass a by-law prohibiting the sale of ivory, or anything else.

Just as a restaurant can be shut down if there are mice present, I see no reason that a restaurant could not be shut down if there are shark fins present.

It is the jurisdiction of law, Federal law covers the prohibition on endangered species. If the municipal law on the prohibition on sharks fins has been struck down in Toronto, you will see it struck down in the other municipalities as well.


Quote article

Justice James Spence said in a ruling Friday that a city bylaw banning shark fins and foods such as the Chinese dish shark fin soup fell beyond the city's jurisdiction.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/technol...tossed+judge/7639532/story.html#ixzz2DvZTRZxF

 

[harryass]

Another example that humans are parisites.

If it was the last remaining shark in the ocean, some cultures would have no second thoughts of killing it for its fins.


Lets cut off the judge's dick and feed it to a shark. Btw, better not , the judges dick likley has major STD. yuk yuk

 

[KBear]

We'll be paying the city's legal fees for this ludicrous piece of shit nonsense.

Could the city also be ordered to pay the legal fees for the people who brought this issue to court, and/or to the restaurants that may have lost business during the ban?

 

[LKD]

sweeeeettt... so i can cut down on my shark fin soup consumption now that there is no ban... I've been going on a daily binge thinking they would be banned. These good for nothing lawmakers just caused an increase in the consumption of shark fin among all enthusiasts. Who thinks they got paid off by the shark fin industry for this trick?

drink on

 

[Thousand]

Could the city also be ordered to pay the legal fees for the people who brought this issue to court, and/or to the restaurants that may have lost business during the ban?

Yes, but it means that we eventually are the ones who pay out of our pocket through tax. The whole debate about shark fin got nothing that benefit Torontonian. Thanks again to your city councillors.

 

[fuji]

No animals should be killed to feed humans.

Why not?

 

[tennessee]

Poor sharks.

What's the incidence of people dying from shark attacks, like 1 in 100,000? And yet we massacre them all like no tomorrow for... well, no reason. Fucking humans.


And yes I understand, shark fin is an Asian tradition, just like how foie gras is a French tradition, and how human sacrifice is an Aztec tradition. I'm a proud worshipper of Quatzalcoatl and I believe that one human should be sacrificed each month because I'm so firmly rooted in my tradition. Or how about my Persian tradition, where some folks in my country believes that all women should be dressed from head to toe with only their eyes revealed?

Bottom line: Leave the poor sharks alone!

 

[mandrill]

Could the city also be ordered to pay the legal fees for the people who brought this issue to court, and/or to the restaurants that may have lost business during the ban?

The judge could order that the successful applicants be reimbursed for their legal fees by the losing party. In fact, it's a standard court order in civil matters. You would have to check the judgment to see if he did it here.

I do not believe that the city could be made to pay for lost profits, absent a finding that the damaged parties were targeted in bad faith - i.e. for personal reasons by the politicians concerned.

 

[mandrill]

Someone told me they did not create the by-law in the correct format.

They could pass a law to say that it ca only be sold in specific locations and require a $100,000 permit pre month to sell it.

No, they can't. You get your legal research from the back of cereal packets.

 

[mandrill]

Nothing you have posted indicates that a municipality does not have the power to pass a by-law prohibiting the sale of ivory, or anything else. The municipality is passing by-laws about food, for various reasons and justifications, and you agree that it has the power to do so.

Just as a restaurant can be shut down if there are mice present, I see no reason that a restaurant could not be shut down if there are shark fins present.

Well, there's a course in law school called "constitutional law" that you take that tells you all about this kind of stuff. If anyone relied on TERB posts for their legal knowledge, we'd be in a state of anarchy by now.

 

[Jennifer_]

Poor sharks.

What's the incidence of people dying from shark attacks, like 1 in 100,000? And yet we massacre them all like no tomorrow for... well, no reason. Fucking humans.


And yes I understand, shark fin is an Asian tradition, just like how foie gras is a French tradition, and how human sacrifice is an Aztec tradition. I'm a proud worshipper of Quatzalcoatl and I believe that one human should be sacrificed each month because I'm so firmly rooted in my tradition. Or how about my Persian tradition, where some folks in my country believes that all women should be dressed from head to toe with only their eyes revealed?

Bottom line: Leave the poor sharks alone!

The topic truly upsets me.
i don't understand why our ban was struck down. Several other Canadian cities have bans already. Was it wording or just because no one has challenged it elsewhere?

Watch "shark water" or any other video on the topic... No compassionate human being could possibly condone this practise. I don't care what your ethnic customs are-if your customs are as cruel as consuming shark fin or profiting off of this horrible industry - it's time to evolve.

The thing that kills me most is that it's tasteless. Insanity.

I'm scared shitless of sharks- to the point where I've researched shark attacks before booking vacations lol... But I'm smart-enough to recognize the cruelty in it and the impact it has on the ecosystem.... I am perplexed that anyone could be ok way it continuing.

Shark fin was supposed to be a delicacy for the rich. China has turned it into a mass produced product- if your country can mass produce iPhones in factories (where nets need to be installed to curtail the number of people jumping from the roof)- fine... Sad but fine... But when the same mentality is used with destroying the ecosystem (while using the lame ass excuse that its your custom...). It needs to be stopped by whatever means possible.

I understand there is likely a flaw in the bylaw- but why should those who are profiting from it even have customers consuming the product?

What the hell is wrong with people???

Shameful......

 

[Samurai Joey]

The topic truly upsets me.
i don't understand why our ban was struck down. Several other Canadian cities have bans already. Was it wording or just because no one has challenged it elsewhere?

Watch "shark water" or any other video on the topic... No compassionate human being could possibly condone this practise. I don't care what your ethnic customs are-if your customs are as cruel as consuming shark fin or profiting off of this horrible industry - it's time to evolve.

The thing that kills me most is that it's tasteless. Insanity.

I'm scared shitless of sharks- to the point where I've researched shark attacks before booking vacations lol... But I'm smart-enough to recognize the cruelty in it and the impact it has on the ecosystem.... I am perplexed that anyone could be ok way it continuing.

I understand there is likely a flaw in the bylaw- but why should those who are profiting from it even have customers consuming the product?

What the hell is wrong with people???

Shameful......

My suspicion is that the bans in the other cities were not challenged in court previously. This would mean that if the current Toronto ban remains struck down on appeal, that would put the legality of the existing bans in other municipalities into question.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

I would suggest that instead of bitching on TERB, those opposed to shark fin soup actually take their energy and DO something to make a real, positive change that will not only hold up in the courts of law but will actually change societal behaviour...