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silentkisser

Master of Disaster
Jun 10, 2008
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Jesus. Ever few years, someone pulls out this bullshit about how the government funds this stuff. And, I hate to break it to y'all, but every government for the past 35-40 years has funded this type of stuff. And, here is the shocker, no federal minister ever signs off on what is accepted. You may hate the grant system, but it is apolitical and also pays for research I'm sure you all care about. So, bottom line, this type of research/grant has been around for several decades. I'm sure we could find equally cringe worthy research during the Harper years.

And, while this guy is spouting out big figures, do we know if they got that in one go, or is that the accumulation of grants over a period of several years? Finally, these money has been budgeted for research. It would probably be illegal to use it for other purposes. Basically, this is just a conservative politician grandstanding but offering no alternatives or solutions.
 
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Jesus. Ever few years, someone pulls out this bullshit about how the government funds this stuff. And, I hate to break it to y'all, but every government for the past 35-40 years has funded this type of stuff. And, here is the shocker, no federal minister ever signs off on what is accepted. You may hate the grant system, but it is apolitical and also pays for research I'm sure you all care about. So, bottom line, this type of research/grant has been around for several decades. I'm sure we could find equally cringe worthy research during the Harper years.

And, while this guy is spouting out big figures, do we know if they got that in one go, or is that the accumulation of grants over a period of several years? Finally, these money has been budgeted for research. It would probably be illegal to use it for other purposes. Basically, this is just a conservative politician grandstanding but offering no alternatives or solutions.
Yeah it’s a cultural thing. Not a gov thing
 

Anbarandy

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Basically, this is just a conservative politician grandstanding but offering no alternatives or solutions.
And < insert mic drop here > ... that's all they ever do.
 

JohnLarue

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Wow. Universities produce the vast majority of the basic science and medicine which has made the USA and the west the economic powerhouses they are.
oh i do not know about that
US Corporate research has produced a lot of breakthroughs especially in medicine, materials, optics, energy, info tech, transistors and semi conductors etc
The pursuit of profit drives innovation.

University scientists do get to work on what they are passionate or interested in and certainty have more freedom to explore new ideas/ concepts
Exploring new ideas/ concepts in STEM can result in innovation/ invention and act as a conduit of ideas start ups for industry.

University scientists can also work on ideas that do not have a snowballs chance in hell of resulting anything useful other than expanding the knowledge base.
Which is generally a positive thing.

Scientific research and product development is expensive & universities are constrained by having to allocate broadly across many research areas ( including the studies of Snowy Owl feather structure and composition)
and their core business is "education"

There are not enough of the vocational jobs nor factory jobs to absorb those non uni attending students.
Look at that vast pool of underemployed men with little prospects. They used to work mining, factory, and transport jobs that paid well enough. Those jobs don't exist anymore.
The cost of an "education" has become more and more prohibitive
Whether they understand it or not students need a ROI on their tuition

Universities/ colleges will likely have to tilt towards programs that provide students with in demand skills, rather than the objective of providing a broad based diverse education.
highly educated but unemployable humanities graduates often wind up working for minimum wage + tips
a terrible waste of potential
best to cull back the enrolment in paths to nowheresville
 

silentkisser

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And < insert mic drop here > ... that's all they ever do.
In fairness, when you're in the opposition, your job is to make the sitting government look inept or problematic. You save solutions for the campaign trail...usually....
 

kherg007

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oh i do not know about that
US Corporate research has produced a lot of breakthroughs especially in medicine, materials, optics, energy, info tech, transistors and semi conductors etc
The pursuit of profit drives innovation.

University scientists do get to work on what they are passionate or interested in and certainty have more freedom to explore new ideas/ concepts
Exploring new ideas/ concepts in STEM can result in innovation/ invention and act as a conduit of ideas start ups for industry.

University scientists can also work on ideas that do not have a snowballs chance in hell of resulting anything useful other than expanding the knowledge base.
Which is generally a positive thing.

Scientific research and product development is expensive & universities are constrained by having to allocate broadly across many research areas ( including the studies of Snowy Owl feather structure and composition)
and their core business is "education"


The cost of an "education" has become more and more prohibitive
Whether they understand it or not students need a ROI on their tuition

Universities/ colleges will likely have to tilt towards programs that provide students with in demand skills, rather than the objective of providing a broad based diverse education.
highly educated but unemployable humanities graduates often wind up working for minimum wage + tips
a terrible waste of potential
best to cull back the enrolment in paths to nowheresville
I reckon industry has often relied upon basic science to capitalise on products etc. Thus a bloke studying the lifecycle of mould discovers penicillin. Industry turn that into a pill and makes a fortune.
Many seemingly silly Fruit fly experiments helped push forward bid advances in DNA understanding.
The issue with basic science is sometimes you're not sure where it's going to go.
Industry can focus and target that knowledge.
There is no automobile without people knowing the basic properties of carbon and oxygen etc.
But in my experience I see credit given to industry for creating things, but whats not appreciated is these things would have been impossible without university research on the basic nature of proteins or whatever.
And the usa does that amongst the best.
 
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