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Would Galileo Be Good Enough for Woke America?

WyattEarp

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Except it can't and doesn't work like that. Otherwise, I could presumably have a heavily Serbian immigrant district and a 50.1% majority of parents could decide that the school was going to teach only Serbian history and nothing else. So I'm calling bullshit on that and I'm going to suggest that curricula are set by the state board of education. Otherwise, you would get ludicrous, dysfunctional chaos.
In practice, voters in many districts do have direct control over school boards and have influence on curriculum. Social studies (as it was called in my day) is generally where parents have issues. This includes sexual education, historical interpretation of politics, etc. What very young children are taught and not taught has always been debated in the U.S.

State Boards of Education do have a lot of say over curriculum, but when they venture away from mainstream curriculum parents can make State leaders pay a price. See my comments above on Governor McAuliffe losing re-election in Virginia.

I found your comment on Serbian parents wanting Serbian history taught in school an interesting thought. In reality, it is not much of an issue. Almost all our immigrants want their children taught an American-driven curriculum. In the example below where I mentioned that there our Hispanic districts that teach to young children a U.S. imperialist perspective on the Mexican War, this seems to be driven by progressive teachers and not Mexican-American parents. By high school, we are all exposed to these ideas. It's really a matter of what age to expose children to certain political, historical and social ideas.


And parents can't "decide what their children are taught". See the above example. I could give you others. How about a Latino school district where the parents decide that the whole history curriculum would focus on US imperialism in the Mexican-American War?
Interestingly, you mentioned this. Republican and moderate teachers I know actually complain to me about this exact curriculum in Mexican-American dominated school districts. Young Mexican-American children are taught that their land was taken away and to blame the U.S. for Mexico's dysfunctional governments. Now this might be exactly something non-Hispanic parents would try to remove from their school's curriculum.

How about a school district where half the parents are atheists and half Evangelicals and the latter want the kids to learn Creationism and the former Evolution.
Our Courts actually decide matters such as this under our separation of Church and State.

And parents aren't particularly well-qualified to decide what any curriculum should be - even math. That's why people go to grad school to get a teacher's diploma. So why don't you do a little "homework" and stop carping about the "hyper-aggressive liberals".
I know a lot of teachers. They are not the intellectual vanguard of America that you seem to suggest. They might perceive themselves to be a political vanguard though. Some are very political and influenced by the progressive wings of their unions. Most actually want the unions to stay out of national political debates and stop bringing unpopular ideas into the classroom.

You often describe yourself as "TERB's intellectual presence", but your posts are often little more than kindergarten ranting.
You're kind of full of shit because when you "quote" someone it should actually be something they wrote. That seems fair. As far as my "kindergarten ranting" (see how I used quotes appropriately), I think I did a pretty good job of describing how our more decentralized education system works. You don't have to like it, but some of this is just the way it is.
 
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mandrill

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Conservatives always lose the culture wars with the under 40 crowd. Hence the saying “If a person is not a liberal when he is twenty, he has no heart; if he is not a conservative when he is forty, he has no head." We might have a lot of TERB members in the latter. Maybe not.

You can see the recoil with cities that cut police budgets only to reinstate police hiring and police budgets. Or moderate Democrats disillusionment with current policies at the border. How bout urban District Attorneys who were lax on prosecution being recalled or voted out in their next elections. Are the twentysomething Americans going to want to give up their private employer plans once they get into the workforce?
You want to give concrete examples re the stuff you say in your last paragraph, so we can discuss it? Maybe a few stats?

The police budget cuts issues is something that is frequently discussed on this board.
 

mandrill

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Conservatives always lose the culture wars with the under 40 crowd. Hence the saying “If a person is not a liberal when he is twenty, he has no heart; if he is not a conservative when he is forty, he has no head." We might have a lot of TERB members in the latter. Maybe not.

You can see the recoil with cities that cut police budgets only to reinstate police hiring and police budgets. Or moderate Democrats disillusionment with current policies at the border. How bout urban District Attorneys who were lax on prosecution being recalled or voted out in their next elections. Are the twentysomething Americans going to want to give up their private employer plans once they get into the workforce?
 

basketcase

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In practice, voters in many districts do have direct control over school boards and have influence on curriculum. Social studies (as it was called in my day) is generally where parents have issues.
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And that is one of the many problems with the US system. Instead of listening to experts, they get a bunch of parents who's volume and political influence outdoes their sense of reality.
 

Valcazar

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Do you feel there are higher powers that know what it is best for American children above and beyond their parents?
You do, clearly.
But yes, in a democracy, there is a push and pull about the curriculum and there should be.
Anyone who thinks only parents have input is being silly.
But we also have a strong tradition of open inquiry and public education that isn't mere indoctrination.
Do we always live up to it? No.
But some of us think education is important, others think indoctrination is.
I am sad to find you on the side of the latter.

If you noticed, I have not supported book burning in this thread. As far as cameras, parents got a look at what teachers were teaching their children via on-line cameras. Now they want to ensure they have input to what is taught going forward.
Yes you have.
You are clearly supporting these moves.
I'm not sure why you are dodging it.

You are aware no one has rights of free speech at work. Not you, not me. If our employer doesn't like our speech, they can fire us. Even Conservatives, fuck this one up in their head. You sort of have the right of free speech at work, but you are not free from the consequences. So at the end of the day, teachers do not have freedom to teach whatever they want. School administrators have oversight over teachers. School administrators answer to school boards. And in the end directly or indirectly, school boards answer to voters/parents. Or they get "McAullffed".
So you support Youngkin's laws.
As I said.

Book burning is bad. If we are talking about what books are distributed to six, seven and eight year olds that's another question.
And your criteria on these is what, exactly?

I'm sorry, but I find your comments intellectually hollow. You have not presented one specific example of terrible censorship. If you got away from dramatic effect and criticism, you might find we have some common ground. And no, I doubt we would agree on all things that should be taught and shouldn't be taught in schools. However if you followed my argument, I don't have that authority over someone's children and neither should you.
I had assumed from what you were saying that you were aware of the laws being passed and weren't arguing from ignorance.
I see mandrill has started a small smattering of these.
I had assumed - since you obsessively bring up McAullife - that you were aware of Youngkin's executive orders.
I didn't think it needed to post information you were obviously aware of.
 
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