Would Galileo Be Good Enough for Woke America?
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Even more so because history regards Galileo as a great artist and inventor who contributed greatly to learning. If history notes this other guy at all, it will be as a pimple on a flea's ass...
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Considering that Galileo was done in by the religious right for putting forward ideas that offended the Jesus folk, I'm a little surprised by the OP.
Isn't the real simile Republican folks in red states preventing science from being taught in schools.
Isn't the real simile Republican folks in red states preventing science from being taught in schools.
Except they're really not, are they?
Aside from the GOP stump speeches that pass for facts in your lexicon, there's no evidence that "opinions" about race are curriculum items. And if you want to chat about this, please give concrete curriculum examples and not what Matt Gaetz said at a rally last Thursday.
Except it can't and doesn't work like that. Otherwise, I could presumably have a heavily Serbian immigrant district and a 50.1% majority of parents could decide that the school was going to teach only Serbian history and nothing else. So I'm calling bullshit on that and I'm going to suggest that curricula are set by the state board of education. Otherwise, you would get ludicrous, dysfunctional chaos.
And parents can't "decide what their children are taught". See the above example. I could give you others. How about a Latino school district where the parents decide that the whole history curriculum would focus on US imperialism in the Mexican-American War?
How about a school district where half the parents are atheists and half Evangelicals and the latter want the kids to learn Creationism and the former Evolution.
And parents aren't particularly well-qualified to decide what any curriculum should be - even math. That's why people go to grad school to get a teacher's diploma. So why don't you do a little "homework" and stop carping about the "hyper-aggressive liberals".
You often describe yourself as "TERB's intellectual presence", but your posts are often little more than kindergarten ranting.
Jesus himself was done in by the religious right, so what can we expect???
No one has EVER banned a book on Klingon. Hence write all books in Esperanto and what not and end book burning/book banning. As an aside you might want to read Swift's Modest Proposal which has a take on starvation.
Well I doubt teacher education does much "in the real world" but the point that the majority of parents are not qualified to teach even basic subjects - the are you smarter than a 5 th grader test/jokes are based on a dash of truth.
Here's a random test to see if you could even match a child let alone the teacher:
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The Galileo thing is dead on, just not what they meant.
Galileo did the science, he'd be pushing for vaccines and climate change fixes while the church loving, book banners would try to cancel him.
They'd be banning his social science work against racism while his opponents ban imaginary CRT courses.
No, you see, it goes like this:
Some teachers mentioning things you don't like or students arguing for marginalized voices is tyrannical oppression stunting science itself and driving brilliant galileo's-to-be out of the academy.
Government laws banning subjects, offering bounties to snitch on teachers who mention "forbidden subjects", cameras in school to monitor teachers so that they don't say something the State has determined Must Not Be Taught, removing books from libraries and burning books is just people loving liberty.
All very straightforward and normal.
Yes, there are a mix of stakeholders on school boards.
This is uncontroversial.
Not sure why you are against that.
The context is that laws are being passed censoring ideas, laws are being passed to propose putting cameras in school to monitor teachers for dissent, and there was a recent book burning you may have noticed?
The context is that this is happening right now, and you seem fine with it.
I'm brazenly critical of this kind of state censorship.
Shit is bad.
Book burning is bad.
I get that you are fine with state power to suppress facts the political regime thinks are inconcenient.
I'm not.
Sadly for the alt-right, woke means simply considering other people's feelings. I get why they are so against it.
Well, THAT anology certainly does stand up! "Conventional wisdom" in both cases (burning books as an effective way of disputing ideas and the planet earth at the center of the universe) is a lot of crap!!!
Once they totally lose the narrative, their movement is over. They've already lost the culture war already, the under 40 crowd has evolved past the old ways of thinking.
Galileo had the advantage of having Venice's glassblowers at his disposal. He didn't invent the telescope, he perfected it with custom made lens...and also eye wear.
Unfortunately he confirmed Copernican theory during one darkest periods of human history. The mini ice age induced famine, constant warfare and Montezuma's Revenge (syphilis) ran roughshod over the continent.
Unfortunately he confirmed Copernican theory during one darkest periods of human history. The mini ice age induced famine, constant warfare and Montezuma's Revenge (syphilis) ran roughshod over the continent.
Conservatives always lose the culture wars with the under 40 crowd. Hence the saying “If a person is not a liberal when he is twenty, he has no heart; if he is not a conservative when he is forty, he has no head." We might have a lot of TERB members in the latter. Maybe not.
You can see the recoil with cities that cut police budgets only to reinstate police hiring and police budgets. Or moderate Democrats disillusionment with current policies at the border. How bout urban District Attorneys who were lax on prosecution being recalled or voted out in their next elections. Are the twentysomething Americans going to want to give up their private employer plans once they get into the workforce?
My point is that in a robust Democracy American parents have a lot of say over their schools especially in districts with elected school boards. It's just the way it is in the U.S. I trust parents to make good decisions for their children's education. Sometimes the parental backlash can go all the way to the Governor's mansion (i.e. Virginia 2020 - Youngkin's victory over McAuliffe).
McAuliffe Saying Schools Shouldn't Be Influenced by Parents Factor in Vote
"I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach," McAuliffe said during a debate in September.
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Does this mean you don't think American voter's should be able to vote out school boards or elected leaders who don't follow their wishes? Do you feel there are higher powers that know what it is best for American children above and beyond their parents? Without much dispute, studies have shown that parent's who are involved in their children's education raise more successful children and likely better citizens.
If you noticed, I have not supported book burning in this thread. As far as cameras, parents got a look at what teachers were teaching their children via on-line cameras. Now they want to ensure they have input to what is taught going forward.
You are aware no one has rights of free speech at work. Not you, not me. If our employer doesn't like our speech, they can fire us. Even Conservatives, fuck this one up in their head. You sort of have the right of free speech at work, but you are not free from the consequences. So at the end of the day, teachers do not have freedom to teach whatever they want. School administrators have oversight over teachers. School administrators answer to school boards. And in the end directly or indirectly, school boards answer to voters/parents. Or they get "McAullffed".
Book burning is bad. If we are talking about what books are distributed to six, seven and eight year olds that's another question.
I'm sorry, but I find your comments intellectually hollow. You have not presented one specific example of terrible censorship. If you got away from dramatic effect and criticism, you might find we have some common ground. And no, I doubt we would agree on all things that should be taught and shouldn't be taught in schools. However if you followed my argument, I don't have that authority over someone's children and neither should you.
