Woodbine Entertainment Group vs. Golf vs Covid19

[New World]

I have a friend who races thoroughbreds at Woodbine. The CEO of Woodbine has been pleading with Eileen De Villa/Tory to allow them to race. They have granted Woodbine the ability to have horsemen to train and care for the horse but are not allowed to race. Doug Ford has agreed to allow Woodbine to race if local public health official agree. The problem is De Villa/Tory have not responded or are not even aware of the situation. There is a massive fire brewing and they dont seem to even care. If Woodbine is not allowed to race there is no revenue generated to pay the bills that race horses require to survive. So they question is if Doug Ford truely is the ultimate decision maker why does he not force Williams to respond and or reach out to De Villa?

As Ontario fiddles, the horse racing industry burns

The only horse racing going on in Ontario these days is the race to the border.

torontosun.com

 

[basketcase]

So the major crisis we are facing is whether or not people can gamble on horses running around?

 

[New World]

So the major crisis we are facing is whether or not people can gamble on horses running around?

Incorrect..

 

[Jenesis]

So the major crisis we are facing is whether or not people can gamble on horses running around?

No. It is making the money off that gambling to pay for food for the horses.no income = dead horses.

It is like the LCBO staying open to save drinks form withdrawals.

it is for health and safety.

 

[basketcase]

No. It is making the money off that gambling to pay for food for the horses.no income = dead horses.

It is like the LCBO staying open to save drinks form withdrawals.

it is for health and safety.

???????

Safety for the horses?

Do gambling addicts rely only on woodbine to sate their needs?

 

[Jenesis]

???????

Safety for the horses?

Do gambling addicts rely only on woodbine to sate their needs?

Are you really that daft or just playing one for TV??? How hard is it to understand?

No income = dead horse. Woodbine needs the income to keep the horses alive. It is not about the fucking gamblers, it is about their money being brought in so the horses can be cared for.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Are you really that daft or just playing one for TV??? How hard is it to understand?

No income = dead horse. Woodbine needs the income to keep the horses alive. It is not about the fucking gamblers, it is about their money being brought into the horses can be cared for.

Same argument can be made for hookers.

 

[shack]

Are you really that daft or just playing one for TV??? How hard is it to understand?

No income = dead horse. Woodbine needs the income to keep the horses alive. It is not about the fucking gamblers, it is about their money being brought in so the horses can be cared for.

Woodbine does not own the horses. The owners are usually very wealthy individuals who do this as a hobby. They paid good money for these animals and will not just let them die for the price of a bag of oats.

 

[New World]

???????

Safety for the horses?

Do gambling addicts rely only on woodbine to sate their needs?

You obviously have no domain knowledge around horse racing. Its called the sport of king for a reason.. That said lets go to school.

Owners are responsible to pay all the bills that are associated with racing horses which include the following but not limited too

Trainers fees to train horse - Trainer fees are circa $100 (on the low end) per day per horse
Veterinarian Bills
Feeding bills
Transport fees
Entry fees
Stakes nomination fees etc

Trainers have there own expense too which include but not limited to
Staff
Boarding fees
Stabling fees
Drugs
Licenses
other operation costs etc.

Jockey get paid based on rides and commissions based on where the particular horse they ride finishes in a race

If horses don't race for purse money and finish in the top 5 placing in a race - there is no revenue ($$$) coming in to the owner of the horses.

Yes indeed gambling revenue does fuel purse money - That said the Provincial and Federal Gov's take there cut from all money wagered in every race.

Operationally the Gov't and Public health have allowed all personnel essential that care and train horses but no racing can take place. What makes no sense is there is no extra risk if allowed to race because the same people who are allowed deemed essential to take care and train horse are the same people that race the horses. Not to mention all training and racing takes place outside so the risk of covid is even lower.

Keep in mind there has been zero cases of covid at Woodbine whom raced for most of the season last year. From a risk standpoint It truely is no different than golf.

Also keep in mind there has been more cases of Covid in the NHL vs Horse racing and the NHL is still allowed to play there season.

If you actually read the article it outlines the details..

 

[Jenesis]

Woodbine does not own the horses. The owners are usually very wealthy individuals who do this as a hobby. They paid good money for these animals and will not just let them die for the price of a bag of oats.

Wait what? Now I’m confused. And I swear - I read the article. LOL

Screwed it up somewhere. My bad.

 

[basketcase]

Are you really that daft or just playing one for TV??? How hard is it to understand?

No income = dead horse. Woodbine needs the income to keep the horses alive. It is not about the fucking gamblers, it is about their money being brought in so the horses can be cared for.

First, the horses are owned by other people, not by the government.
Second, huge numbers of horses die because of racing as they have been bred for bones that are light, not strong. Hundreds have to be put down every year because of major broken bones. It's not a sport for animal lovers.

More importantly, if it comes to a choice between horses and people ...

 

[basketcase]

You obviously have no domain knowledge around horse racing. Its called the sport of king for a reason.. That said lets go to school.

Owners are responsible to pay all the bills that are associated with racing horses which include the following but not limited too

Trainers fees to train horse - Trainer fees are circa $100 (on the low end) per day per horse
Veterinarian Bills
Feeding bills
Transport fees
Entry fees
Stakes nomination fees etc

Trainers have there own expense too which include but not limited to
Staff
Boarding fees
Stabling fees
Drugs
Licenses
other operation costs etc.

Jockey get paid based on rides and commissions based on where the particular horse they ride finishes in a race

If horses don't race for purse money and finish in the top 5 placing in a race - there is no revenue ($$$) coming in to the owner of the horses.

Yes indeed gambling revenue does fuel purse money - That said the Provincial and Federal Gov's take there cut from all money wagered in every race.

Operationally the Gov't and Public health have allowed all staff and horses to be taken care and train but NOT race. What makes no sense is there is no extra risk if allowed to race because the same people who are allowed on the ground to take care and train horse are the same people that race the horses. Not to mention all training and racing takes place outside so the risk of covid is even lower.

Keep in mind there has been zero cases of covid at Woodbine whom raced for most of the season last year. From a risk standpoint It ttruely is no different than golf

Also keep in mind there has been more cases of Covid in the NHL vs Horse racing and the NHL is still allowed to play there season.

If you actually read the article it outlines the details..

Yes, rich people pay money to raise horses. That has no bearing on whether or not Woodbine is open.

 

[New World]

Yes, rich people pay money to raise horses. That has no bearing on whether or not Woodbine is open.

Woodbine is open for essential workers (Trainers Jockeys, Vets, Grooms, hot walkers etc.) who care for horses.

 

[squeezer]

Woodbine is open for essential workers (Trainers Jockeys, Vets, Grooms, hot walkers etc.) who care for horses.

and they are there taking care of the horses, what's your point?

 

[nervousintheservice]

I have a friend who races thoroughbreds at Woodbine. The CEO of Woodbine has been pleading with Eileen De Villa/Tory to allow them to race. They have granted Woodbine the ability to have horsemen to train and care for the horse but are not allowed to race. Doug Ford has agreed to allow Woodbine to race if local public health official agree. The problem is De Villa/Tory have not responded or are not even aware of the situation. There is a massive fire brewing and they dont seem to even care. If Woodbine is not allowed to race there is no revenue generated to pay the bills that race horses require to survive. So they question is if Doug Ford truely is the ultimate decision maker why does he not force Williams to respond and or reach out to De Villa?

As Ontario fiddles, the horse racing industry burns

The only horse racing going on in Ontario these days is the race to the border.

torontosun.com

As opposed to any other business that has been shut down and the owners and staff can't make money to feed themselves and their families? Or pay the bills or...

 

[Jenesis]

First, the horses are owned by other people, not by the government.
Second, huge numbers of horses die because of racing as they have been bred for bones that are light, not strong. Hundreds have to be put down every year because of major broken bones. It's not a sport for animal lovers.

More importantly, if it comes to a choice between horses and people ...

First, I never gave my personal opinion on the matter of horse racing so personally I don’t really care about yours. That is not the discussion here and I am not going to engage it taking of off topic.

Second, I already admitted to messing up what I read in the article so maybe read all the comments before commenting yourself. Sometimes people beat you to it and repeating yourself ends up seeming rather silly.

moving on now.

 

[New World]

and they are there taking care of the horses, what's your point?

There is no money coming in because they cant race.

 

[New World]

First, the horses are owned by other people, not by the government.
Second, huge numbers of horses die because of racing as they have been bred for bones that are light, not strong. Hundreds have to be put down every year because of major broken bones. It's not a sport for animal lovers.

More importantly, if it comes to a choice between horses and people ...

As I said before you have no domain knowledge about the horse racing industry.

 

[basketcase]

There is no money coming in because they cant race.

Considering you claim to know about horse racing, you know that the owners are wealthy and don't rely on prizes to pay the bills. You even pointed out that horses that don't do well don't get paid.

As I said before you have no domain knowledge about the horse racing industry.

So please explain where I'm wrong.

Are most race horses really owned by struggling families trying to pay for basics?
Are the horses not being cared for when they aren't racing?

Other than MAYBE bringing in a tiny amount of government revenue, what essential role does running races provide that would make them worthy of essential service status?


But if it makes you happy, it looks like golf is out now.

 

[New World]

Considering you claim to know about horse racing, you know that the owners are wealthy and don't rely on prizes to pay the bills. You even pointed out that horses that don't do well don't get paid.



So please explain where I'm wrong.

Are most race horses really owned by struggling families trying to pay for basics?
Are the horses not being cared for when they aren't racing?

Other than MAYBE bringing in a tiny amount of government revenue, what essential role does running races provide that would make them worthy of essential service status?


But if it makes you happy, it looks like golf is out now.

Again you are demonstrating no knowledge of the horse racing industry. I will keep this short and simple.

Not all owners are wealthy, truth is the vast majority of owners are not wealthy. Same can be said for many of the participants. That's why you have trainers, jockeys, grooms and hot walkers living in dorms on the backstretch earning less than minimum wage and relaying on contested races to earn a living etc

My previous post did outline a glimpse into the industry. Perhaps when Woodbine re-opens you should go for a visit and see for yourself.

My friend who owns qty 8 thoroughbreds is far from wealthy. He actually runs the stable as a business. He also has a training bill of $20+K per month. It wont take long before he will have to sell horses asap.

Im not even going to get into how much money is generated for the gov't in taxes.