Women do not make it very easy for men when it comes to dating.

[Butler1000]

if you are prepared to waste time on conveyor belt workers who become dumber with every day of work maybe you are missing out?

Thats some serious elitism going on there. You are devaluing human beings.

 

[frankcastle]

Women do not make it very easy for men when it comes to dating. I took a lady out on a date in March just before the provincial lockdown . We were still talking right afterwards, I tried to set up another date; She agreed to it, flaked on me and subsequently ghosted me out of nowhere.

I super liked another girl on Tinder and sent a friend request to her snapchat account that was in her bio. She added me back. I told her that I super liked in her on Tinder. She says she's doesn't use it that much. We chatted a bit. I found her to be very interesting and i told her that I wanted to meet up with her to smoke some joints. She agreed. I tried to set up a date until she started ignoring me.

These are the struggles that I have to deal with as a man just to get myself acquainted with the opposite sex. I have to keep dealing with rejections , flakes and ghosting. I would rather get rejected than to be left on read and get ghosted. Women are very fickle and capricious when it comes to dating. They say one thing and then do the complete opposite. They do one thing and say the completely opposite. You can build an excellent rapport with a woman and it's all find and dandy until they dissappear before the blink of an eye. This is why I fully believe in 80% of the women look for the top 20% of the men in the male dominance hierachy. That was my first date in six years; Yes my dating life is that bad and this is honestly very exhausting...I'm trying my best to make something happen for myself when it comes to dating but women are generally setting standards so high that being an average man is not good enough. Furthurmore, it's very difficult calibrating with women considering that they can change their mood on you at anytime even when everything is good. I don't know how you married men do it.

This is why I value this industry so much because I don't have to deal with the ghosting , flaking and rejection. All it takes is one phone call to see a lady at a spa, All It takes is one text to see a lady at an escort agency. There's too many hoops and obstacles you have to deal with it comes to dating and it shouldn't have to be. We have reached the point in society where modern women have gotten so much attention on social media that they much more picky in mate selection. There's 25 year old male virgins, There's men in there early to mid thirties who had sex twice and there's men like me who hasn't had sex with a civilian in 7 years. Now when I meet an attractive woman, the first thing I think in my head is "I hope she escorts" than "I'd like to take her out" because If she's an escort, I have a better chance of actually spending time with her. It's unfortunate that I have to think this way but women have made so hard for men due to their high standards. I had to read The Game by Neil Strauss when i was younger and I still wasn't getting any results.

Lil Loaded killed himself over a breakup, A California man killed himself as well over his girlfriend allegely cheating on him. Women don't make it very easy for men but It's up to us men on how we choose to react to women's behaviour. It's a constant hard battle to earn a victory in getting a fate, or having sex with the woman of your interest.

Sometimes it's best to raise the white flag and continue to see escorts.

There is another way to look at it.


Heres whar really happened....this is like a job interview, they liked your resume and cover letter, had an interview, after comparing you to other options they opted to not choose you.

Each woman is different so the reason why they stopped talking to you are countless.

The fact that you want to blame them suggests you are unable to evaluate yourself. Maybe you were too needy, maybe you said somethung that turned them off, who knows.

But if you cant accept part of the responsibilty you are doomed.

And for gods sake a pandemic hit. You better be a fucking unicorn that cums rainbows for a rando to meet with you.

 

[frankcastle]

Well on the contrary, Maybe she was actually looking for someone to be in a relationship with who accepts her for what she does for a living

I didn’t want to make a false judgement that all escorts will only hang out with men that put money in their purse.

My judgement may be correct after all...

Wrong. No womqn reveals sex work past that early without a motive.

If she was looking for a relationship that info might never be divulged.

 

[jeff2]

When exactly did men have it "easy" when dating women? Men have always had to do a "mating dance" to attract women and they are not always successful. IMO, I think having a positive attitude is a big part of success in anything. If you come at it thinking that it's too hard, then that's what you'll get. Success comes with a lot of patience, perseverance and willingness to improve yourself. If you're not getting the results with one method i.e. online then you have to try other things.

One aspect of dating that has changed over the years is that many people are not not looking for marriage or children or they want to to delay it. Getting married and having kids used used to be the social norm. People are now more picky because the norms have changed. If you're looking for a particular race, don't want to get married, have kids, etc. then a huge pool of potential matches are not available. Either you need to be open to other potential matches or you have to sift through a lot of people to find what you want.

When exactly did men have it "easy" when dating women?

The era you grew up in played a big role. Mostly to do with economics but also demographics.
For example, world war 2 and the resulting baby boom created huge distortions.
Because so many men died in the war, the survivors had the field to themselves.
Also, because men tend to marry women somewhat younger than themselves, the men born before and at the start of the baby boom could dip down into a huge pool of women.
For an extreme example, Charles Manson was not exactly a tall senior executive but found boat loads of women when he got out of prison. I know ,I know, we could get into a whole new discussion about women attracted to inmates, but I will leave that for now.
The opposite was the case for the men born at the end of the baby boom in the mid 1960s. Not only were they competing for a much smaller group of women but by the
time they became adults they were earning less than their fathers(when the fathers were the same age)in real wages with the opposite situation with women and their mothers. That is for the average although some men have done very well in this polarized service based economy with all its rampant credentialism, declining private sector union jobs, and affirmative action.

 

[eddie kerr]

When exactly did men have it "easy" when dating women?

The era you grew up in played a big role. Mostly to do with economics but also demographics.
For example, world war 2 and the resulting baby boom created huge distortions.
Because so many men died in the war, the survivors had the field to themselves.
Also, because men tend to marry women somewhat younger than themselves, the men born before and at the start of the baby boom could dip down into a huge pool of women.
For an extreme example, Charles Manson was not exactly a tall senior executive but found boat loads of women when he got out of prison. I know ,I know, we could get into a whole new discussion about women attracted to inmates, but I will leave that for now.
The opposite was the case for the men born at the end of the baby boom in the mid 1960s. Not only were they competing for a much smaller group of women but by the
time they became adults they were earning less than their fathers(when the fathers were the same age)in real wages with the opposite situation with women and their mothers. That is for the average although some men have done very well in this polarized service based economy with all it's rampant credentialism, declining private sector union jobs, and affirmative action.

I go back to the early 60s and 70s as a young 20 something who loved rock and rythym and blues music and started going to dance clubs. I couldn't dance at first but was amazed how many gorgeous girls went to these places, but no guys would ask them to dance to fast r & r songs so they would dance with their girlfriends. Once a slow song started there would be a stampede for the guys to get a girl to dance. I usually lost out, but eventually I learned how to jive and dance to fast r & b songs, and even though I was not the best looking guy, I was attractive enough to not get refused too often. So I would ask girls to dance the fast songs and when the slow songs played I already had a dance partner. Girls loved it and it got to the stage that I was taking a girl home every time. Ended up with girlfriends on a regular basis and I never got into too many serious relationships until I was ready. Bottom line, in those days with no social media or dating apps and the fact that girls went to these places to meet guys, they did not control me. It was the other way around. Lastly, I met the girl I ended up marrying at the Avenue Road Club and she turned out to be the greatest woman I ever knew and been married for 49 years.

 

[frankcastle]

If anything men have it easier having wealth or status or fame can get you a good looking woman.

A woman with unfortunate looks is worse of than an equally unattractive man since mwn typically arent attracted to wealth and power.

 

[Butler1000]

When exactly did men have it "easy" when dating women?

The era you grew up in played a big role. Mostly to do with economics but also demographics.
For example, world war 2 and the resulting baby boom created huge distortions.
Because so many men died in the war, the survivors had the field to themselves.
Also, because men tend to marry women somewhat younger than themselves, the men born before and at the start of the baby boom could dip down into a huge pool of women.
For an extreme example, Charles Manson was not exactly a tall senior executive but found boat loads of women when he got out of prison. I know ,I know, we could get into a whole new discussion about women attracted to inmates, but I will leave that for now.
The opposite was the case for the men born at the end of the baby boom in the mid 1960s. Not only were they competing for a much smaller group of women but by the
time they became adults they were earning less than their fathers(when the fathers were the same age)in real wages with the opposite situation with women and their mothers. That is for the average although some men have done very well in this polarized service based economy with all it's rampant credentialism, declining private sector union jobs, and affirmative action.

For me in the late 80's early 90's it was easy too. Lots of great dance clubs like the Big Bop. Several Alt Clubs in the city. I was involved in Sci Fi conventions. Which made me a big fish in a little pond at night at them. Lots of good house parties. And no I wasn't rich. Didn't even own a car. Lived on the subway line. Worked first in Security then in hospitality.

Young adults wanna party party and mingle. With easy going no pressure people they share a few things in common with. At 25ish they started looking around. I found mine at 27. Still here.

Lots of people every day fall in love, get married, have kids, stay together. I refused to put up with drama. Avoided social climbers, and gold diggers. Most girls in fact want love. And marry for it.

 

[Jenesis]

they did not control me. It was the other way around

So it all boils down to control for you?

This is the exact problem.

If people stopped trying to get control over the other sex, dating may be a little more equal, fair and easier.

You are the exact guy I and many other women want to avoid. Having the opinion that you “controlled” these women, LOL.

 

[explorerzip]

For example, world war 2 and the resulting baby boom created huge distortions.

For me in the late 80's early 90's it was easy too.

I go back to the early 60s and 70s as a young 20 something who loved rock and rythym and blues music and started going to dance clubs.

All valid points. Those days are gone though and reminiscing won't bring them back. Fact still remains that you have to change with the times in your career, business and personal life.

 

[Leimonis]

Lots of people every day fall in love, get married, have kids, stay together. I refused to put up with drama. Avoided social climbers, and gold diggers. Most girls in fact want love. And marry for it.

gold diggers want love too! you just also have to pay

 

[Samranchoi]

And many women know they are just being used and just cut-off ties with those types of guys
“Ended up with girlfriends on a regular basis and I never got into too many serious relationships until I was ready”

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

What is the average age of the women that you're dating or attempting to date? Their priorities change a lot depending on age.

 

[Jenesis]

What is the average age of the women that you're dating or attempting to date? Their priorities change a lot depending on age.

If I am remembering correctly, I think he goes for stripper-looking types. Or that is his preference. 9s or 10s only, bigs tits, big ass, rough stripper attitude.

Pretty sure it was him who wanted that. I guess when you try for that, you do kind of shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[xix]

I think I said this before will say it again.... I am surprised this thread is still going.
Some mental case got access to a computer from his cell and posted here.

Couldn't take rejection and it's not his fault.
Life is easy if you ACCEPT Yourself, denial, REJECTION and other pits falls in life is part of life.

 

[poker]

I got rejected recently

 

[Akila Besos]

I got rejected recently

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atleast its a kindish rejection

its terriblw when one starts calling someone names

 

[eddie kerr]

So it all boils down to control for you?

This is the exact problem.

If people stopped trying to get control over the other sex, dating may be a little more equal, fair and easier.

You are the exact guy I and many other women want to avoid. Having the opinion that you “controlled” these women, LOL.

Perhaps I used the wrong word. I never tried to control the women I met. I basically meant that the women I went out with were happy to go out on dates and enjoyed being with a guy who was confident and positive while in their company. I was never aggressive trying to force sex with any of them. In those days (50s, 60s, and 70s) I learned that girls enjoyed having their boyfriend making decisions on going to places, doing things together, etc. I dated many many girls during those days luckily and while not having long term relationships mostly on my part, I never was accused by any of them of trying to be in CONTROL. My apologies for being misconstrued.

 

[Insidious Von]

Women still want the man to make the decisions when arranging a meet up.

There's a reason why women play hard to get.

 

[nervousintheservice]

I won't even date women who dont have a car. Or at least the potential to drive a car. Dating a woman with no car is painful. I'm sure women feel the same way. No car? He can't help me get places and pick things up. The way I see it, I don't want to be her delivery boy.

Of course, I live in the burbs. I rarely take transit. Plus I love my cars, and treat them like children so I guess that's kind of on me...

 

[Jenesis]

Perhaps I used the wrong word. I never tried to control the women I met. I basically meant that the women I went out with were happy to go out on dates and enjoyed being with a guy who was confident and positive while in their company. I was never aggressive trying to force sex with any of them. In those days (50s, 60s, and 70s) I learned that girls enjoyed having their boyfriend making decisions on going to places, doing things together, etc. I dated many many girls during those days luckily and while not having long term relationships mostly on my part, I never was accused by any of them of trying to be in CONTROL. My apologies for being misconstrued.

I apologize then for reading it wrong and thank you for the clarification.