Woman Goes Viral Saying Canadians Should Claim Refugee Status

[Jubee]

what a crock.

No core "traditional Americanism" or in our case, strong sense of identity, break it up, confuse everyone and you have present day Canada.
25-35 years ago, people in Canada we're starting to grow and have a sense of our identity, regardless of race.

KGB Defectors Prophetic WARNING to America

KGB defector, Yuri Bezmenov sat down for an interview in 1984 where he explained how communists would infiltrate America.

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[Jubee]

14:30 teach them useless shit, break traditional values, strong nuclear family, watch the first 14 mins.
Wait til you hear about his take on the Media at 16:25, start from 16:00

 

[RZG]

what a crock.

Not certain which Canada you live in, take an honest look around man. Anyway...let`s see what has been accomplished at the end of Carney`s term. I truly hope he can improve something, anything, but the Liberal " Sunny Ways " well has run dry.

 

[Carvher]

Regardless of how they receive it they get far more than any Canadian resident is entitled to. The only people the Canadian government cares about are the people that don't live here yet.

This is so true. Including all levels of government. I often think that their only purpose is to try to make life a living hell for their constituents. Ripping up every fucking street at the same time, taking 3 to 5 years to do projects that should take 10 months. Can't even buy a nice car because someone will steal it, etc. etc.

 

[speakercontrols]

$224/day is probably a total of benefits given to refugees like medical-dental-transportation-cell phone-housing etc.
Even the liberals are not stupid enough to give them $224 in cash.

How much do ODSP recipients in Ontario receive? No Dentist will see them. Unlike refugess, they don't' have Doctors assigned to them. OSDIP recipients don't get cell phones and so on and son.

 

[optimusprime69]

How much do ODSP recipients in Ontario receive? No Dentist will see them. Unlike refugess, they don't' have Doctors assigned to them. OSDIP recipients don't get cell phones and so on and son.

I have a cousin on permanent disability. He gets a little less than $1100 a month. They could pretty much triple his income and he would still be below the poverty line. Oh Canada.

 

[optimusprime69]

Ripping up every fucking street at the same time, taking 3 to 5 years to do projects that should take 10 months.

This is by design. You should see how fast and efficiently roads get built in China and Japan. They make it look like were still using shovels and pick axes.

 

[Jenesis]

How much do ODSP recipients in Ontario receive? No Dentist will see them. Unlike refugess, they don't' have Doctors assigned to them. OSDIP recipients don't get cell phones and so on and son.

Max ODSP benefit is 1368 according to their website. They cover some dental like yearly cleanings and emergencies. They get glasses and other things. Transportation costs for medical, etc. ODSP doesn’t give a lot but it is not as dire as you are making it out to be.

Regular doctors don’t care about your income level, they see everyone.

 

[optimusprime69]

Max ODSP benefit is 1368 according to their website. They cover some dental like yearly cleanings and emergencies. They get glasses and other things. Transportation costs for medical, etc. ODSP doesn’t give a lot but it is not as dire as you are making it out to be.

Regular doctors don’t care about your income level, they see everyone.

When is the last time you tried to survive off of $1368 a month or less? Disability is punishment. During covid the government calculated that $2000 a month was the minimum a person needed to survive yet people on disability get pretty much half of that and they also have expenses that the average person doesn't incur that are not covered so they have to factor that into their budget as well.

 

[Jenesis]

When is the last time you tried to survive off of $1368 a month or less? Disability is punishment. During covid the government calculated that $2000 a month was the minimum a person needed to survive yet people on disability get pretty much half of that and they also have expenses that the average person doesn't incur that are not covered so they have to factor that into their budget as well.

Where did I say anything about anything you just wrote? Where did I say it was enough?

I simply corrected misinformation and answered the direct question asked which was how much do people on ODSP get. He asked, I answered.

They get 1368, dental and vision benefits as well as some money for medical things as well. A GF just got $500 towards a ramp to a pool she needs for accessibility. Did it cover the whole thing? No. But it is incorrect to say they get nothing for medical devices and issues.

I'm not here to debate whether it is enough, I'm just here to correct the incorrect information being spread and answering a question. So don’t jump down my throat. Take your heated battle ready stance to the government to get the increase in money you want or need.

PS - if your cousin is getting a little less then 1100 then they are most likely getting subsidized housing. Which many on ODSP are getting as well. They are not paying the market rent prices out there now on their 1368 or in your cousin's case, the 1100.

 

[ogibowt]

Where did I say anything about anything you just wrote? Where did I say it was enough?

I simply corrected misinformation and answered the direct question asked which was how much do people on ODSP get. He asked, I answered.

They get 1368, dental and vision benefits as well as some money for medical things as well. A GF just got $500 towards a ramp to a pool she needs for accessibility. Did it cover the whole thing? No. But it is incorrect to say they get nothing for medical devices and issues.

I'm not here to debate whether it is enough, I'm just here to correct the incorrect information being spread and answering a question. So don’t jump down my throat. Take your heated battle ready stance to the government to get the increase in money you want or need.

lol....correcting misinformation here on Terb would be a full time job

 

[optimusprime69]

Where did I say anything about anything you just wrote? Where did I say it was enough?

I simply corrected misinformation and answered the direct question asked which was how much do people on ODSP get. He asked, I answered.

They get 1368, dental and vision benefits as well as some money for medical things as well. A GF just got $500 towards a ramp to a pool she needs for accessibility. Did it cover the whole thing? No. But it is incorrect to say they get nothing for medical devices and issues.

I'm not here to debate whether it is enough, I'm just here to correct the incorrect information being spread and answering a question. So don’t jump down my throat. Take your heated battle ready stance to the government to get the increase in money you want or need.

PS - if your cousin is getting a little less then 1100 then they are most likely getting subsidized housing. Which many on ODSP are getting as well. They are not paying the market rent prices out there now on their 1368 or in your cousin's case, the 1100.

You literally said ' it is not as dire as you are making it out to be' when indeed it is in fact as dire as it's made out to be. And yes there occasionally credits that recipients can get but it is rare and never enough. As you said they covered a portion of the price but how does some one already living in poverty accumulate the rest of the funds to cover necessary costs? You didn't say they get enough but you sure implied it wasn't an incredible financial hardship when in fact it is.

 

[Jenesis]

You literally said ' it is not as dire as you are making it out to be' when indeed it is in fact as dire as it's made out to be. And yes there occasionally credits that recipients can get but it is rare and never enough. As you said they covered a portion of the price but how does some one already living in poverty accumulate the rest of the funds to cover necessary costs? You didn't say they get enough but you sure implied it wasn't an incredible financial hardship when in fact it is.

Right. It is not. Saying no dentist will see them is a pretty dire comment. It is not as dire as that.

He also said they get no doctor assigned to them yet you can’t get on OdSP without a doctor, usually a specialist, filling out your forms. So clearly not as dire as no doctor for those living on ODSP. So it is not as dire as he made is seem when he says no doctor.

On the dentist front, my GF also gets 4 cleanings a year. With gas because of her anxiety. She gets all root canals, fillings and even had bonding on her teeth to make them whiter. Does that sound "dire" to you? I know plenty of working people who can’t afford that type of dental care.

Again, I didn’t say it was enough. In fact I said it was little. So get off my back and stop injecting what you want to hear so that you can fight online.

He made is seems worse then it is. It is not great but the fact of that alone is enough. embellishing to make it sound even worse is not needed and I was clearing that up.

 

[optimusprime69]

Right. It is not. Saying no dentist will see them is a pretty dire comment. It is not as dire as that.

He also said they get no doctor assigned to them yet you can’t get on OdSP without a doctor, usually a specialist, filling out your forms. So clearly not as dire as no doctor for those living on ODSP

On the dentist front, my GF also gets 4 cleanings a year. With gas because of her anxiety. She gets all root canals, fillings and even had bonding on her teeth to make them whiter. Does that sound "dire" to you? I know plenty of working people who can’t afford that type of dental care.

Again, I didn’t say it was not enough. In fact I said it was little. So get off my back and stop infecting what you want to hear so that you can fight online.

So clearly you are basing your opinion of odsp on your one girlfriends experience. I'm very happy for her and for your satisfaction with her treatment but that's not the experience that most people on odsp have.

Since you're accusing me of pursuing some kind of fight I shall gladly bid you good day so some other lucky soul can enjoy interacting with you. I hope you're more pleasant in person....

 

[Jenesis]

So clearly you are basing your opinion of odsp on your one girlfriends experience. I'm very happy for her and for your satisfaction with her treatment but that's not the experience that most people on odsp have.

Since you're accusing me of pursuing some kind of fight I shall gladly bid you good day so some other lucky soul can enjoy interacting with you. I hope you're more pleasant in person....

Who said I am only experienced with one person? Again, you are injecting what you want to hear. I gave an example of one person. I only mention her because she is only on it for the benefits. Her income itself comes from CPPD. I figured if I was only speaking benefits, she would be the best to example since that is all she gets from them. Dental, vision, drug and medical. And she is not getting any more benefits then anyone else is entitled to so everyone on ODSP will have or should have the same benefit experience.

Also - the same question can be asked of you since you like to assume so much. Are you only basing your opinions on your cousin?

I’m just stating facts of what benefits are offered and the max amount. No opinion here other then it was not as dire as the person I quoted was trying to make it appear. I didn’t state my opinion on ODSP itself. You assumed that. My opinion was on his reason for posting. Big difference.

I hope you are also better in person and don't make such irrational and off-the cuff assumptions in order to pick fights with people. Have a good day.

 

[wigglee]

No core "traditional Americanism" or in our case, strong sense of identity, break it up, confuse everyone and you have present day Canada.
25-35 years ago, people in Canada we're starting to grow and have a sense of our identity, regardless of race.

KGB Defectors Prophetic WARNING to America

KGB defector, Yuri Bezmenov sat down for an interview in 1984 where he explained how communists would infiltrate America.

www.youtube.com

our reaction to Trump says differently. We have come together ( apart from a few extreme rightwing Canadian Trumptards who can't get over PP's loss).

 

[xix]

To bad there is no video of someone applying for this online.

 

[speakercontrols]

Max ODSP benefit is 1368 according to their website. They cover some dental like yearly cleanings and emergencies. They get glasses and other things. Transportation costs for medical, etc. ODSP doesn’t give a lot but it is not as dire as you are making it out to be.

Regular doctors don’t care about your income level, they see everyone.

Given ODSP do not pay anywhere near market prices for these services, many Dentist refuse the ODSP "insurance", particularly in the Dental world. IIRC, in the Region of Waterloo, there are 2? 3? Dentists that will see ODSP and they severely limit the number per week. This is because the Government of Ontario barely covers Dentist's costs of delivering the service. Why be a charity right? No data, but I suspect this is also true of many other services you mention, medical Doctors excepted of course. I haven't looked but even with the federal dental program being rolled out to under-65s (finally, we live in a Gerontocracy) ), I suspect ODSP will be unable to afford the difference between what the Federal Government pays and what Dentists charge per the fee guideline.


My overall point is, yes, the OP is misleading on the $ values but perhaps we really shouldn't be concerned on how we treat strangers (refugees in this case) but instead how we treat our own, our neighbours, those we grew up, those we pass on the streets. . How we fund ODSP, possibly a few others, is horrible yet we're focused on Refugees? I suspect this is because there is WAY more opportunity for virtue signaling and people chest beating on how kind & inclusive they are.

...then there are the very well meaning people who move heaven and earth to find housing for refugees yet many of our existing poor are shut out. Toronto's homeless shelter issue is a good example of this.

Interesting peek into human nature and how priorities are developed.

Merely one example of the argument...
Why is it moral to prefer to help one's family to one's neighbours, or those we know better or are more familiar with?

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/90105/why-is-it-moral-to-prefer-to-help-ones-family-to-ones-neighbours-or-those-we

 

[Jenesis]

Given ODSP do not pay anywhere near market prices for these services, many Dentist refuse the ODSP "insurance", particularly in the Dental world. IIRC, in the Region of Waterloo, there are 2? 3? Dentists that will see ODSP and they severely limit the number per week. This is because the Government of Ontario barely covers Dentist's costs of delivering the service. Why be a charity right? No data, but I suspect this is also true of many other services you mention, medical Doctors excepted of course. I haven't looked but even with the federal dental program being rolled out to under-65s (finally, we live in a Gerontocracy) ), I suspect ODSP will be unable to afford the difference between what the Federal Government pays and what Dentists charge per the fee guideline.


My overall point is, yes, the OP is misleading on the $ values but perhaps we really shouldn't be concerned on how we treat strangers (refugees in this case) but instead how we treat our own, our neighbours, those we grew up, those we pass on the streets. . How we fund ODSP, possibly a few others, is horrible yet we're focused on Refugees? I suspect this is because there is WAY more opportunity for virtue signaling and people chest beating on how kind & inclusive they are.

...then there are the very well meaning people who move heaven and earth to find housing for refugees yet many of our existing poor are shut out. Toronto's homeless shelter issue is a good example of this.

Interesting peek into human nature and how priorities are developed.

Merely one example of the argument...
Why is it moral to prefer to help one's family to one's neighbours, or those we know better or are more familiar with?

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/90105/why-is-it-moral-to-prefer-to-help-ones-family-to-ones-neighbours-or-those-we

I get what you are trying to say but you purposely made it look worse than it is. No doctor??? Come on - you know better then that.

And without data, I can only go based on what I personally know. Which is a few people getting dental no problem. At least out here in Durham. And more services then those who don’t have insurance and can’t afford it outright.

Now can ODSP be better and should we be taking care of our own who suffer enough already - yes but all you have to do is say that, you don’t have to make things out to be worse to make a point. That was my point. They are already bad enough factually.

 

[speakercontrols]

I get what you are trying to say but you purposely made it look worse than it is. No doctor??? Come on - you know better then that.

And without data, I can only go based on what I personally know. Which is a few people getting dental no problem. At least out here in Durham. And more services then those who don’t have insurance and can’t afford it outright.

Now can ODSP be better and should we be taking care of our own who suffer enough already - yes but all you have to do is say that, you don’t have to make things out to be worse to make a point. That was my point. They are already bad enough factually.

My phrase was actually, "they (ODSP) don't' have Doctors assigned to them. " which is not the same as saying "No" Doctor. Obviously Doctors get paid by patient per year not matter their financial status. However, as you possibly know, Doctors don't take 'high touch' patients and ODSP by definition tend to be problematic patients. Thus, unlike refugees - at last those in Waterloo Region - who get assigned Doctors and the like - ODSP recipients are forced to find their own Doctors. No big deal right? Just like the rest of us. However, there's a twist here. If Doctors discover their status, they might find problems finding a Doctor and not know why. No one wants problematic patients. They're money/time losers. Thus, my main point was refugees are assigned medical care, not OSDPs don't have medical doctors.

Thus, I would argue I wasn't make it worse than it is, I'm pointing out the general realities that are ignored for those in many of these discussions. The local refugee program pay Dentists 100% btw and the Doctors work for Public Health so everyone is 'high touch'. It's quite a different experience.

For your ODSP friends that do have Dentists, hang on to them. Possibly less of an issue now with Federal coverage.

example...mind you I recognize the plural of anecdotes is not data

https://www.reddit.com/r/Odsp/comments/1ih4nco So illy dentist who I had prior to ODSP told me today I am not covered there with ODSP unfortunately. I then called the 5 other dentists in my town only to find out this is common practice. A couple said they have a few ODSP spots but they fill fast ....So whereas all insurance companies pay X, ODSP just pays Y. One example I was given was a basic exam. Insurance companies pay 44 and ODSP pays 19. Now he said magnify this with expensive procedures. Basically it’s just not worth their time to take ODSP patient.

This could be true of vision care as well. I don't know and I'm too lazy to ask around.