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Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

toguy5252

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Except they did not correct any errors. They just got exposed, so they tried to amend their story, only that internet savvy people kept a track of it and further exposed their lies. I put up a video on it earlier.

And criticism of Israel is not "Jew hatred" or support for Hamas. I condemn both the Hamas as well as the Zionists. That is not Jew hatred. On the other hand, Zionists call all Palestinians Hamas, and justify collective punishments. That is racism.
please point to all these lies which have been exposed.

and I have always said that crtisism of isreal is not Jew hatred and there is a lot to be critical of. That is very different then defending Hamas and defending and justifying or rationalizing violence against Jews all over the world.
 
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basketcase

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And criticism of Israel is not "Jew hatred" or support for Hamas. I condemn both the Hamas as well as the Zionists. That is not Jew hatred. On the other hand, Zionists call all Palestinians Hamas, and justify collective punishments. That is racism.
Criticism of Israel are not necessarily racism but people who compare Hamas and Zionism are racists because they compare a large group of people who think Israelis have the right of self-determination to a designated terrorist entity.
 

toguy5252

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People who compare Hamas and Zionists, do so, because Zionists argue the same thing. That Palestinians need to be ethnically cleansed. Hamas also argues the same thing that the Jews have to be ethnically cleansed. Zionists want to establish a Jewish state. Hamas wants to establish a Palestinian state. They are arguing the same thing for their own people, but it is equally violent and racist.



I did. Watch the video. People are not defending Hamas. They are defending Palestinians against Israeli war crimes and oppression. That should not even bring up accusations of Jew hatred.
There is no comparison between zionists and Hamas none. If you do not get that further attempts at debate are pointless,
 

Frankfooter

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150 Palestinians arrested and/or convicted of violent crimes, mostly 16-18 year old men swapped for 50 Jewish children held hostage for being a Jew in a part of the land Hamas was able to access. Sounds fair.

And you never answered Shack's question; what charges do you think should be laid against Hamas?
I did answer multiple time.

Charges:
Hamas - targeting civilians, including the ones at the festival on oct 7
Israel - targeting civilians, the occupation, illegal settlements, illegal blockade, apartheid

What other crimes do you think either side should be charged with?
 

Frankfooter

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I have plenty of posts differentiating Palestinian civilians from Hamas/PIJ fighters.
No you don't.

You have hundreds of posts on this thread where you support bombing 'Hamas' regardless of how many Palestinian civilians are killed.
Just as you supported killing Palestinians during the Great March of Return.

But feel free to quote those posts if you have so many available.
 

basketcase

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People who compare Hamas and Zionists, do so, because Zionists argue the same thing....
WTF? You really post nonsense. 99.9% of people who compare Hamas and Zionism are either racists who want Israel's Jewish presence removed and want to justify their racism or gullible people too uninformed to realize how they're being played.

And yes, it is hugely problematic to compare a specific well organized group to the generalized idea that Jews in Israel have a right to be there. There are some Zionists who are as racist and violent as Hamas but at the same time, there are Zionists who support Palestinian causes and a Palestinian state. Would you condemn all feminists because a small fringe are completely anti-men?


I'd put the extremist settlers and Hamas in the same category. Canada does too.
 

basketcase

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No you don't.

You have hundreds of posts on this thread where you support bombing 'Hamas' regardless of how many Palestinian civilians are killed.
Just as you supported killing Palestinians during the Great March of Return.

But feel free to quote those posts if you have so many available.
Considering you have openly justified killing of Jewish civilians because they are in 'occupied' territory and are engaged in denying the terroristic intent of Hamas' attack on the 7th, I don;t think you're in any place to talk. You obsessively have been blaming all of Israel (even though you also quote Israeli sources) and keep claiming non-Israeli Jews are somehow responsible. Hell, you've even accused a half dozen posters here of genocide.

I am very intentional in blaming Hamas for what Hamas does, blaming PIJ for what PIJ does. You're just crusty because you are too racist to hold Hamas or PIJ accountable for what they choose.
 

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Considering you have openly justified killing of Jewish civilians
Bullshit, you're lying.

In fact you've openly and repeatedly justified killing Palestinian civilians during the Great March of Return and now are justifying the killing of 6000 Palestinian children and the genocidal attack on Gaza.

I repeatedly state that neither sides are allowed to target civilians.
You have yet to call out Israel for killing 6000 children in Gaza.
Are you really for or against killing civilians?
 

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And yes, it is hugely problematic to compare a specific well organized group to the generalized idea that Jews in Israel have a right to be there. There are some Zionists who are as racist and violent as Hamas but at the same time, there are Zionists who support Palestinian causes and a Palestinian state. Would you condemn all feminists because a small fringe are completely anti-men?
So why did you condemn all of Gaza for the small fringe of Hamas?
 

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The big question for the next few days is will Israel resume the genocide.
Netanyahu's career is done if he stops, but has Biden had enough too, does he realize that this will end his presidency as well?

Netanyahu just proved that he can negotiate with Hamas and that he could have made this deal to return the hostages 7 weeks ago.

Meanwhile the cameras are getting back into Gaza, despite Israel having killed 67 journalists, the most ever in modern history.

Gaza has become a moonscape in war. When the battles stop, many fear it will remain uninhabitable
 

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You know a year ago, Franky put Biden at top 5 POTUS history....but because Biden wants to eradicate Hamas....they're no longer bffs....he'll probably vote Peepee now that Justin aligns with "nazi" Jews now..... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Like Woody Allen said - VERY reformed Rabbis...
 
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