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Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

richaceg

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Not all Hamas are terrorists and not all Israelis are terrorists.
Do you think all Palestinians are terrorists?
All of Hamas?

How do you reach that decision?

Is this terrorism?

Is this terrorism?

Is this terrorism?


Is this terrorism?
You said it yourself...not all Israeli's are terrorists....
Hamas doesn't represent palestinians so yeah...palestinians are not terrorists franky....
that's obviously a tweet by a terrorist...there's no argument there....
 

richaceg

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So you admit Israel controls what is allowed in at the Egyptian border.
Thanks.
Where did I admit that? Why would Egypt let Israel contol the border? Oh wait, they are at war with Hamas who used to control the Rafah crossing and the whole of Gaza...Where is Hamas?
 
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Frankfooter

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You said it yourself...not all Israeli's are terrorists....
Hamas doesn't represent palestinians so yeah...palestinians are not terrorists franky....
that's obviously a tweet by a terrorist...there's no argument there....
So why do you support one group of terrorists and say the others all have to die?
 

richaceg

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So why do you support one group of terrorists and say the others all have to die?
Where did I say that franky? Why does hamas keep holding hostages? how many palestinians are they willing to sacrifice before they let go of hostages?
 

Frankfooter

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Where did I say that franky? Why does hamas keep holding hostages? how many palestinians are they willing to sacrifice before they let go of hostages?
You are doing it, rich.
You post only about how bad Hamas are, even though you've admitted that Israelis are also committing terorrism.
Israel has killed as many civilians in the last 25 days as Hamas in the last 30 years.

So why are you not calling out Israel?
Are you against terrorism or is this just cover for backing Jewish supremacists?
 

Dutch Oven

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No, by all definitions of war crimes, what Israel is doing is a war crime. They are indiscriminately killing civilians, especially children, in an effort to get to Hamas, using the "human shields" narrative, which is nonsense. If a Hamas guy is in a hospital getting his wounds tended to, and Israel bombs the hospital killing 500 civilians and the Hamas guy, it is a war crime. Those civilians are not human shields, they are civilians getting medical help. They did this a couple of days ago when they bombed the refugee camp.

Hamas is a terrorist group and should have been eliminated in the last 4 weeks of military action, which I initially supported as well. But that hasn't happened, so it is time to try a different method, because almost half the dead, are children.

This is not about what Hamas wants, but it is about the civilians killed that the majority of right wingers do not care about because they are brown and Muslim. Its racism, not anti-terrorism.

Also, if there is anything we have learned from the 20+ year, war on terror, it is that in the Muslim world, terrorist groups cannot be eliminated via military action. The US went to war with Al-Qaeda and killed their leader. What happened? Al-Qaeda still exists and we got ISIS which was an offshoot of Al-Qaeda, in Iraq. The US eliminated the Taliban government in Afghanistan. Who is ruling Afghanistan now?

So in sum, the military action against Hamas, is only creating a humanitarian crisis, and is not successful and will not be successful in eliminating Hamas. Hence my change in position as well. I think it is time to stop the aerial bombing, and instead use targeted assassinations of Hamas leaders through covert or special operations which Israel is well known for (similar to how Bin Laden and al-Baghdadi were dealt with). And in the mean time, work with the PA/PLO to find lasting diplomatic solutions, which would involve giving land to the Palestinians that the Israelis have stolen over the years.
You have a mental block about this. Your thinking is simply wrong. Israel is not committing war crimes. Israel is not attacking hospitals to kill injured Hamas soldiers. However, Hamas tunnel complexes have been located under some hospitals. Using civilians as human shields is a war crime.

If there's anything we've learned about dealing with terrorist organizations, they've never been addressed thoroughly enough. There will always be new threats arising from the ashes of the old. The best you can achieve is a period of peace and security while the noxious weeds regrow in the lawn. There is no permanant cure to evil. It takes constant vigilence. However, the harder you hit it, the longer it takes to re-emerge.
 

Frankfooter

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Only in your twisted and gaslighting mind.

What would it take for you to denounce Hamas policy of driving Israel into the sea?

What would it take for you to denounce Oct. 7?
Done that, been there.
What we have never seen from you is denouncing anything Israel has done, including killing children.
Israel has killed close to 4000 children now and you have never, once said that is wrong.
Each time you skip post and refuse to say its wrong.

Why can you not denounce killing children?
Are you that much of a monster?


 

nottyboi

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Did Ukraine crossed over to Russia and targetted civilians and held hostages then had a victory parade in the streets of Kiev?
What does that have to do with killing of civilians. Civilians are civilians. What anyones army did or didn't do, civilian are NON- FUCKING COMBATANTS.. geez. since then Urkaine HAS launched attacks are Russian civilians, still Russia has not resorted to genocidal acts like Israel. In fact the civilian lossess are historically much lower then history. Using UN numbers.
 

Conil

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Hamas will kill her

Captured on camera: Gazan woman wails: 'It's all because of Hamas' - and is silenced

Caught on BBC's camera: Gazan woman wails and blames Hamas, as passersby silence her.

During a BBC broadcast, a Gazan woman was filmed crying as those injured by Israeli airstrikes are evacuated.

"It's all because of the Hamas dogs," she wailed.

In response, those around the woman rushed to hush her, placing their hands on her mouth so that she would no longer be able to speak against Hamas.


 
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