Will Biden Make to November

[Dutch Oven]

Do you think he is actually handling this pandemic well?

In truth, I think its too early to decide. However, I'm encouraged that he is worried about the consequences of not getting the economy restarted. There are measurable costs to the shutdown, including service impacts upon public healthcare.

An analysis that I've not seen in any coverage (because it might offend viewer sensibilities) is a determination of exactly what is being accomplished by the economic shutdown. For example, the vast majority of fatalities have been cases where the infected person was over 70 and/or had a signficant underlying condition. What is shocking to the public is that these people are dying within a 2 month period. However, I wonder what the 2020 fatality totals for this group would have been for this group in any event? The difference represents the effective impact of the disease. From there, you'd need an analysis of how much of this difference can be (or was) affected by the shutdown measures. It is without doubt that flattening the curve lowers the stress on the medical system at the peak of instances. It isn't as clear what impact these measures actually have on the fatality totals for the demographic groups who are principally affected.

Whether I ultimately think Trump handled this crisis well will turn on this kind of analysis. If what he is doing turns out to be right, it appears that he's been moving more quickly than many other policians. If he turns out to be wrong, they will all turn out to be wrong.

 

[Frankfooter]

In truth, I think its too early to decide. However, I'm encouraged that he is worried about the consequences of not getting the economy restarted. There are measurable costs to the shutdown, including service impacts upon public healthcare.

An analysis that I've not seen in any coverage (because it might offend viewer sensibilities) is a determination of exactly what is being accomplished by the economic shutdown. For example, the vast majority of fatalities have been cases where the infected person was over 70 and/or had a signficant underlying condition. What is shocking to the public is that these people are dying within a 2 month period. However, I wonder what the 2020 fatality totals for this group would have been for this group in any event? The difference represents the effective impact of the disease. From there, you'd need an analysis of how much of this difference can be (or was) affected by the shutdown measures. It is without doubt that flattening the curve lowers the stress on the medical system at the peak of instances. It isn't as clear what impact these measures actually have on the fatality totals for the demographic groups who are principally affected.

Whether I ultimately think Trump handled this crisis well will turn on this kind of analysis. If what he is doing turns out to be right, it appears that he's been moving more quickly than many other policians. If he turns out to be wrong, they will all turn out to be wrong.

In Sept of 2019 Trump was handed a report by economists specifically about the costs of a pandemic.
White House economists tried warning the Trump administration a pandemic would kill up to 500,000 Americans and cost the economy $4 trillion

 

[Dutch Oven]

In Sept of 2019 Trump was handed a report by economists specifically about the costs of a pandemic.
White House economists tried warning the Trump administration a pandemic would kill up to 500,000 Americans and cost the economy $4 trillion

Really? I don't think you need an economics degree to give that advice.

The real issue is how do you prepare for a disease that you can't predict will ever exist, and has its own unique characteristics?

This particular virus happens to attack the respiratory system. Did the economists predict that? This particular virus seems to transmit through contact and has specific life spans on specific surfaces. Did the economists predict that? These are the characteristics that generate the strategies and the need for specific medical equipment and supplies.

You can't stockpile "everything" to respond to every conceivable outbreak. Many medical supplies are perishable.

20/20 hindsight in these circumstances is intellectually dishonest. All you can do is criticize the speed of response once governments had notice of the disease and its characteristics.

And, of course, the biggest wild card of all is that the origin of this disease was a country which does not share information with the rest of world, and does not priortize its relationships with other nations.

 

[The Oracle]

Krystal Ball takes apart feminist smears of Joe Biden accuser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkuAF2B5o8M

She once again exposes the hypocrisy of mainstream media and the Democratic political machine.

Interesting how no one in the media is questioning Joe Biden's credibility.

 

[Frankfooter]

Really? I don't think you need an economics degree to give that advice.

The real issue is how do you prepare for a disease that you can't predict will ever exist, and has its own unique characteristics?

This particular virus happens to attack the respiratory system. Did the economists predict that? This particular virus seems to transmit through contact and has specific life spans on specific surfaces. Did the economists predict that? These are the characteristics that generate the strategies and the need for specific medical equipment and supplies.

You can't stockpile "everything" to respond to every conceivable outbreak. Many medical supplies are perishable.

20/20 hindsight in these circumstances is intellectually dishonest. All you can do is criticize the speed of response once governments had notice of the disease and its characteristics.

And, of course, the biggest wild card of all is that the origin of this disease was a country which does not share information with the rest of world, and does not priortize its relationships with other nations.

You read the reports and manuals that people prepared for you.
Then you listen to the advice of scientists and medical professionals.

You don't claim its a dem hoax to impeach you.

 

[Dutch Oven]

You read the reports and manuals that people prepared for you.
Then you listen to the advice of scientists and medical professionals.

You don't claim its a dem hoax to impeach you.

I don't think you are trying to develop an understanding of this situation. You keep repeating stuff that's been clarified for you beyond any reasonable doubt. Trump didn't claim the virus was a hoax. He claimed the media coverage (which included calling his travel restrictions xenophobic and irrational) a hoax. You know this already. Only a propagandist persists in repeating something he knows isn't true.

As to the rest of your post, you seem to be under a delusion that anyone predicted this particular virus with its particular characteristics and corresponding demands on medical supplies. No one did. That's not what the economic report you reference did. Nor was there a medical or scientific prediction of this particular virus or these particular supply needs.

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't think you are trying to develop an understanding of this situation. You keep repeating stuff that's been clarified for you beyond any reasonable doubt. Trump didn't claim the virus was a hoax. He claimed the media coverage (which included calling his travel restrictions xenophobic and irrational) a hoax. You know this already. Only a propagandist persists in repeating something he knows isn't true.

Trump, at a rally, said 'this is their new hoax'. Later he tried to correct to say he meant press coverage, but he was talking about the dems when he said it was their new hoax.
Do you think the media coverage of the coronavirus was ever a dem hoax? Or a media hoax? Or an attack on him personally?

Tell me he was talking about the media and not the dems:
No, no, no. "Hoax" referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we've done such a good job. The hoax is on them, not -- I'm not talking about what's happening here; I'm talking what they're doing. That's the hoax. That's just a continuation of the hoax, whether it's the impeachment hoax or the "Russia, Russia, Russia" hoax.
The man is an incoherent moron.

Okay, so, again, the "hoax" was used with respect to Democrats and what they were saying. It was a hoax, what they were saying. And that was very clear, if you'd read the words. And I think you know that too. As far as what responsibility: My great responsibility -- I think the biggest decision we made was going very early.
Looks like was talking about the dems there, not the media.
Those are his words.
Are you the one peddling fake news?

As to the rest of your post, you seem to be under a delusion that anyone predicted this particular virus with its particular characteristics and corresponding demands on medical supplies. No one did. That's not what the economic report you reference did. Nor was there a medical or scientific prediction of this particular virus or these particular supply needs.

Nobody else was saying that their country was going to be open at Easter one week and then the next week say 100,000 are going to die.
By the time he made that Easter comment, everybody in the world knew it wasn't going away that soon.

 

[Butler1000]

Despite the pandemic, Joe Biden was on MSNBC and was asked if he would reconsider support for M4A. He said no. That it wouldn't help.

He continues to think he owns the votes of progressives. He doesn't.

I swear the only goal of the DNC is to keep The Sanders platform out. Even if it means re election of Trump.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Trump, at a rally, said 'this is their new hoax'. Later he tried to correct to say he meant press coverage, but he was talking about the dems when he said it was their new hoax.
Do you think the media coverage of the coronavirus was ever a dem hoax? Or a media hoax? Or an attack on him personally?

Tell me he was talking about the media and not the dems:
No, no, no. "Hoax" referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we've done such a good job. The hoax is on them, not -- I'm not talking about what's happening here; I'm talking what they're doing. That's the hoax. That's just a continuation of the hoax, whether it's the impeachment hoax or the "Russia, Russia, Russia" hoax.
The man is an incoherent moron.

Okay, so, again, the "hoax" was used with respect to Democrats and what they were saying. It was a hoax, what they were saying. And that was very clear, if you'd read the words. And I think you know that too. As far as what responsibility: My great responsibility -- I think the biggest decision we made was going very early.
Looks like was talking about the dems there, not the media.
Those are his words.
Are you the one peddling fake news?

Frank, it's right there in front of you for any reasonable person to see. He does not claim the virus to be a hoax. He's referring to the negative coverage he was getting over his response (including being accused of xenophobia for cutting off travel from China). You're making my point. You claim Trump is incoherent, and he's not a great speaker, but I think the problem lies elsewhere. Maybe part of the problem is that you are in denial about the majority of the media being an extension of the Democratic party.

Nobody else was saying that their country was going to be open at Easter one week and then the next week say 100,000 are going to die.
By the time he made that Easter comment, everybody in the world knew it wasn't going away that soon.

Making stuff up ("going to be open") doesn't work with anyone who actually saw the press conferences. If you have to make stuff up to attack him, isn't that a sure sign he'll be re-elected? Trump critics like you are your own worst enemy!

 

[Frankfooter]

Frank, it's right there in front of you for any reasonable person to see. He does not claim the virus to be a hoax. He's referring to the negative coverage he was getting over his response (including being accused of xenophobia for cutting off travel from China). You're making my point. You claim Trump is incoherent, and he's not a great speaker, but I think the problem lies elsewhere. Maybe part of the problem is that you are in denial about the majority of the media being an extension of the Democratic party.

I said Trump claimed it to be a 'dem hoax', that's exactly what he says in that quote. If you and Trump want to try to claim that he was only talking about coverage after the fact and you want use his total incoherence to interpret it that way, be my guest. All the lovers of the cheeto king are always interpreting what he says and saying 'that's not what he really meant'. His senile incoherence comes out in the lack of complete thoughts or even complete sentences, his language is like a Rorschach kind of word spray.

But he did say it was a 'dem hoax' and its not fake news to quote him as saying so.

Making stuff up ("going to be open") doesn't work with anyone who actually saw the press conferences. If you have to make stuff up to attack him, isn't that a sure sign he'll be re-elected? Trump critics like you are your own worst enemy!

I don't have to make up anything about Trump.
Its all there in his tweets and statements.

President Donald Trump says he wants the nation "opened up and just raring to go by Easter" -- a date just more than two weeks away that few health experts believe will be sufficient in containing the spread of coronavirus.

Speaking during a Fox News town hall on Tuesday, Trump reiterated he was eager to see the nation return to normal soon, even as doctors warn the nation will see a massive spike in cases if Americans return to crowded workplaces or events.
"I give it two weeks," Trump said earlier in the town hall, suggesting he was ready to phase out his 15-day self-isolating guidelines when they expire. "I guess by Monday or Tuesday, it's about two weeks. We will assess at that time and give it more time if we need a little more time. We have to open this country up."

 

[K Douglas]

1. Trump ignored intellegence on coronavirus causing it to infect millions on Americans
2. Trump gutted govt agencies who would be able to respond
3. projected 100,000 Americans dead
4. 40% unemployment rate
5. Stock Market crash
6. GDP down 40%
7. Recesion/depression.

Good luck with that. My cat is looking pretty good -lol

1&2 are simply untrue. I think 3 is the worst case scenario. 4-7 completely beyond his control. How many lives did Trump save by putting the ban on Chinese flights coming in to the US on Jan 31? His European ban came a bit too late however and I think that's where most of the NY/NJ infections have come from.

 

[K Douglas]

Despite the pandemic, Joe Biden was on MSNBC and was asked if he would reconsider support for M4A. He said no. That it wouldn't help.

He continues to think he owns the votes of progressives. He doesn't.

I swear the only goal of the DNC is to keep The Sanders platform out. Even if it means re election of Trump.

I think the DNC knows that the election of Trump is almost inevitable. They'll just want to keep it close with Biden and hope that they can keep the house and swing the Senate. I think the latter is a distinct possibility.

 

[bver_hunter]

Ever since Trump came on the political scence, polls have consistently unrepresented his actual support. So yes, a poll that favours Trump can be trusted, whereas a negative poll requires a level of scrutiny, particularly if it is within the margin of error. It seems that Trump supporters are either under-polled, or reluctant to acknowledge their support.

Quite logical.

I see that is a hilarious statement. Have you gone all around the USA and asked each and every individual about it, and they mentioned to you whether they were Trump supporters or not??

The fact is that the Americans are very concerned about this Pandemic, and the manner in which Trump has mishandled it!!

 

[lumenon9]

Let me Repeat this again:

1. Trump ignored intellegence on coronavirus causing it to infect millions on Americans
2. Trump gutted govt agencies who would be able to respond
3. projected 100,000 Americans dead
4. 40% unemployment rate
5. Stock Market crash
6. GDP down 40%
7. Recesion/depression.

Good luck with that -lol.

 

[dickydoem]

I see that is a hilarious statement. Have you gone all around the USA and asked each and every individual about it, and they mentioned to you whether they were Trump supporters or not??

The fact is that the Americans are very concerned about this Pandemic, and the manner in which Trump has mishandled it!!

So you have gone all around the USA and asked each and every individual about the manner that Trump has handled this Pandemic. Maybe it's you who is spreading it. Go home and stay home.

 

[Frankfooter]

So you have gone all around the USA and asked each and every individual about the manner that Trump has handled this Pandemic. Maybe it's you who is spreading it. Go home and stay home.

Here's Trump showing how he deals with it.
Praising Pence for avoiding answering a question for 5 minutes.

President Trump praised Vice President Mike Pence for dodging a reporter's question.

During a Wednesday White House press briefing, Trump said Pence provided "one of the greatest answers" he's ever heard after Fox News correspondent John Roberts asked how currently uninsured people can obtain health coverage that subsidizes treatment for the coronavirus.

"Where can people go now to get health insurance before they get sick?" Roberts asked.

"One of the things that has animated and characterized the president's approach is the way he's engaged American businesses to step up and do their part," Pence said, saying the administration was "inspired" by the behavior of the private sector in the United States. "We'll continue to provide flexibility for Medicaid for people that don't have insurance. And we'll make sure that Medicare has the flexibility to meet this moment."

Trump then joked about Pence's answer, saying, "Mike was able to speak for five minutes and not even touch your question."

"I said that's what you call a great professional," the president continued, adding he thought Roberts asked a "fair question."

 

[Dutch Oven]

I see that is a hilarious statement. Have you gone all around the USA and asked each and every individual about it, and they mentioned to you whether they were Trump supporters or not??

The fact is that the Americans are very concerned about this Pandemic, and the manner in which Trump has mishandled it!!

The 2016 election proved this point. You obviously missed the point.

 

[Dutch Oven]

I said Trump claimed it to be a 'dem hoax', that's exactly what he says in that quote. If you and Trump want to try to claim that he was only talking about coverage after the fact and you want use his total incoherence to interpret it that way, be my guest. All the lovers of the cheeto king are always interpreting what he says and saying 'that's not what he really meant'. His senile incoherence comes out in the lack of complete thoughts or even complete sentences, his language is like a Rorschach kind of word spray.

But he did say it was a 'dem hoax' and its not fake news to quote him as saying so.



I don't have to make up anything about Trump.
Its all there in his tweets and statements.

President Donald Trump says he wants the nation "opened up and just raring to go by Easter" -- a date just more than two weeks away that few health experts believe will be sufficient in containing the spread of coronavirus.

Speaking during a Fox News town hall on Tuesday, Trump reiterated he was eager to see the nation return to normal soon, even as doctors warn the nation will see a massive spike in cases if Americans return to crowded workplaces or events.
"I give it two weeks," Trump said earlier in the town hall, suggesting he was ready to phase out his 15-day self-isolating guidelines when they expire. "I guess by Monday or Tuesday, it's about two weeks. We will assess at that time and give it more time if we need a little more time. We have to open this country up."

Again, Frank, the correct interpretation is right there in the very quotes you cite. The problem must be that you are unable to read them without substituting other words for those that were used.

 

[bemeup]

The movers and shakers in the Democratic Party should talk Biden into withdrawing from the race for “health reasons”, and then draft Bill Gates as their nominee.

 

[Frankfooter]

Again, Frank, the correct interpretation is right there in the very quotes you cite. The problem must be that you are unable to read them without substituting other words for those that were used.

You're using your own confirmation bias to claim he says what you think he meant instead of actually reading his words and analyzing them.

Try again, the transcript:

One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We have 15 people in this massive country and because of the fact that we went early. We went early, we could have had a lot more than that. We’re doing great. Our country is doing so great. We are so unified. We are so unified

'This is their new hoax'
That's Trump saying that the coronavirus is a dem hoax and that he's got the infection under control because there are only 15 people with it in the US..
Those are his direct words, not your attempt to interpret them.
Today there are 235,000 US cases.