the freezing point of sea water is -2 Celcius Antarctica is dark and in the middle of winter ice is all over the place this fear mongering a common theme in your climate cult
Why Warming Oceans Matter
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the freezing point of sea water is -2 Celcius Antarctica is dark and in the middle of winter ice is all over the place this fear mongering a common theme in your climate cult
Always different ways to look at the same thing.
Another issue I have with climate champions. numbers are just illustrative.
An EV cost what $45,000?
Realistically that’s a number only the well off can afford.
Our climate champions in Canada. Those in Ottawa, and those that vote for them. Could promote the Tar sands. Get all kinds of people working, great for our GDP, great for Ottawas bank account.
They could then take that $$, and give 100,000 free EVs every year to people that couldn’t afford them. Putting way way way more climate saving EVs on the road, far far far faster…In 5-10 years, maybe everyone in Cda has an EV…
If I can think of that..why can’t they?
Another issue I have with climate champions. numbers are just illustrative.
An EV cost what $45,000?
Realistically that’s a number only the well off can afford.
Our climate champions in Canada. Those in Ottawa, and those that vote for them. Could promote the Tar sands. Get all kinds of people working, great for our GDP, great for Ottawas bank account.
They could then take that $$, and give 100,000 free EVs every year to people that couldn’t afford them. Putting way way way more climate saving EVs on the road, far far far faster…In 5-10 years, maybe everyone in Cda has an EV…
If I can think of that..why can’t they?
Any govt money from the
while you think numbers are just illustrative. debt is very real
there is already a significant portion of federal and provincial debt which has been accumulated subsidizing "green energy"
not going to happen
- govt can not afford this (see above)
- the electrical grids will fail once a significant EV market penetration is reached.
now think about the number of vehicles
number of registered vehicles in canada - Google Search
The total number of road motor vehicles registered in Canada increased to 26.2 million in 2021, up 1.9% over 2020.
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Yep.
On CPP. I do actually hope Alberta withdraws. That would be a kick in the nuts for Québécois and Ontarians. Send a message that hurts.
on Healthcare transfers
or whatever. “She’ll games”. Meaning what ever it got spent on, that’s fewer dollars for X.
If the climate champions were actually all about the environment. Anyone with a brain would squeeze all kinds of money out of the Tar sands and pour that…into the RnD for a “cleaner” world. Giving people, the dirty masses that can’t afford EVs, or Solar, or geothermal or…..
Instead of just rebates for the well off
On CPP. I do actually hope Alberta withdraws. That would be a kick in the nuts for Québécois and Ontarians. Send a message that hurts.
on Healthcare transfers
or whatever. “She’ll games”. Meaning what ever it got spent on, that’s fewer dollars for X.
If the climate champions were actually all about the environment. Anyone with a brain would squeeze all kinds of money out of the Tar sands and pour that…into the RnD for a “cleaner” world. Giving people, the dirty masses that can’t afford EVs, or Solar, or geothermal or…..
Instead of just rebates for the well off
looks like Cold Air from Antarctica making Tonga pacific Islands cold
The Queen of Tonga (21° South – tropical South Pacific) distributed blankets to help her people survive a dangerous outbreak of global warming.
Strangely the ABC forgot to use the latest UN buzz phrase “global boiling” to describe the situation in Tonga.
Let’s hope the world gets global warming under control, otherwise we could all freeze to death!
Global Warming Brings Near Record Cold to the Tropical Pacific • Watts Up With That?
The Queen of Tonga (21° South – tropical South Pacific) distributed blankets to help her people survive a dangerous outbreak of global warming.
The ABC article went on to blame “climate change” for making weather patterns unpredictable. The article also mentioned other tropical South Pacific islands are also experiencing cold weather.
Strangely the ABC forgot to use the latest UN buzz phrase “global boiling” to describe the situation in Tonga.
Let’s hope the world gets global warming under control, otherwise we could all freeze to death!
Global Warming Brings Near Record Cold to the Tropical Pacific • Watts Up With That?
And yet Antarctic ice melt is still at a record high.the freezing point of sea water is -2 Celcius Antarctica is dark and in the middle of winter ice is all over the place this fear mongering a common theme in your climate cult
How do you explain that?
Because its a stupid idea.
Putting more CO2 in the air is just stupid, more so with the dirty tar sands.
record high IN WINTER WHERE THERE IS NO SUNLIGHT FOR 4- 6 MONTHS?
the freezing point of sea water is -2 degrees fresh water is 0 celsious
in the southern hemisphere winter .Antarica is minus 20S on the coasts (places like fort mcmurd) to -50 to -60s S Celsius at the south pole and the interior of the frozen Continent
So you think because its cold in the interior and its winter ice can't be melting on the coasts?
So logical.....
This is a discussion about how different the temperature is from normal, not that its cold in the antarctic.surface temperature map of Antarctica
Surface Temperature on Saturday 05 Aug at 9pm NZST
Total fail.
Even a record cold temp at the south pole doesn't discount melting in the coasts.
franky like his climate cultists are scientifically illiterate
pressure changes
Scientists Have Just Melted a Solid Below Its Freezing Point
Thanks to the way chemical bonds between molecules work, phase transitions are generally pretty simple - when a substance hits its freezing point, it starts to solidify, and when it hits its boiling point, it starts to vaporise. But scientists...
www.sciencealert.com
Franky and his climate cultists are proven science illiterates. they are trying hard to say that ice is melting on a continent which is in WINTER that does not see Sunlight for at 4 to 6 months (depending on the latitude) were temperatures are -22 Celsius to -60 Celsius)
Why don't the oceans freeze?
Category: Earth Science Published: April 29, 2013
If the temperature is cold enough, ocean water does freeze. The polar ice cap at earth's North Pole is a giant slab of frozen ocean water. At earth's South Pole, the land mass constituting Antarctica complicates the situation, so most of the ice there is compacted snow. Over cold regions such as Antarctica, Greenland, and Canada, the fresh water in the air freezes to snow and falls onto the land without a melting season to get rid of it. Over time, this snow builds up and compacts into an ice mass known as a glacier. Gravity slowly pulls the glacier downhill until it reaches out onto the ocean, forming an ice shelf. The ocean-bound edge of the ice shelf slowly crumbles into icebergs which float off on their own path. For this reason, glaciers, ice shelves, and icebergs are all thick sheets of frozen fresh water and not frozen ocean water. In contrast, when ocean water freezes, it forms a thin flat layer known as sea ice or pack ice. Sea ice has long been the enemy of ships seeking an open route through cold waters, but modern ice breaker ships have no problem breaking a path through the fields of frozen ocean.
Despite the fact that the oceans do freeze when the temperature is cold enough, ocean water does indeed stay liquid under much colder weather than one would first expect. For instance, go to the beach on a winter day and you may be surprised to find that the ocean is still liquid despite the snow and ice on the ground being frozen. There are four main factors that keep the ocean in a liquid state much more than may be expected, as described in the textbook Essentials of Oceanography by Tom Garrison.
1. Salt
The high concentration of salt in ocean water lowers its freezing point from 32° F (0° C) to 28° F (-2° C). As a result, the ambient temperature must reach a lower point in order to freeze the ocean than to freeze freshwater lakes. This freezing-point depression effect is the same reason we throw salt on icy sidewalks in the winter. The salt lowers the freezing point of the ice below the ambient temperature and it melts. Note that if the ambient temperature is lower than 28° F (-2° C), the ocean water would be ice if this were the only effect involved. Such is not the case, so there must be other effects involved.
2. Ocean currents
The gravitational pull of the moon, earth's spinning motion, and thermal convection combine to create large-scale flows of ocean water known as ocean currents. This constant motion of the ocean water helps keep the water molecules from freezing into the somewhat stationary state of ice crystals. More significantly, the ocean currents continuously pump warm water from the equatorial regions to the colder ocean regions.
3. High volume
The larger the volume of water, the more heat has to be removed in order to freeze it. A teaspoon of water placed in the freezer will become completely solid long before a gallon jug of water. More accurately, it is the surface-area to volume ratio for a given external temperature that determines the rate of heat loss and therefore the speed of freezing. Because the heat must be lost through its surface, a small shallow puddle with a large surface will freeze quicker than a deep lake. The immense volume and depth of the oceans keeps them from freezing too quickly, thereby allowing the heating mechanisms to have a larger effect.
4. Earth's internal heating
As miners are well aware, the earth gets hotter and not colder as you dig straight down, despite the fact that you are getting farther away from the warm sunlight. The reason for this is that the earth has its own internal heat source which is driven primarily by the nuclear decay of elements inside earth's mantle. The earth's internal heat is most evident when lava flows and hot springs poke through the surface. Because earth's insulating crust is much thinner under the oceans than under the continents, most of the earth's internal heat escapes into the oceans. Although the temperature of the air at an ocean's surface may be freezing, the temperature of the water deep in the ocean is significantly warmer due to internal heating.
This combination of salt, ocean currents, high volume, and internal heating keeps most of the ocean in liquid form even during cold winters.
Why don't the oceans freeze? | Science Questions with Surprising Answers (wtamu.edu)
Category: Earth Science Published: April 29, 2013
If the temperature is cold enough, ocean water does freeze. The polar ice cap at earth's North Pole is a giant slab of frozen ocean water. At earth's South Pole, the land mass constituting Antarctica complicates the situation, so most of the ice there is compacted snow. Over cold regions such as Antarctica, Greenland, and Canada, the fresh water in the air freezes to snow and falls onto the land without a melting season to get rid of it. Over time, this snow builds up and compacts into an ice mass known as a glacier. Gravity slowly pulls the glacier downhill until it reaches out onto the ocean, forming an ice shelf. The ocean-bound edge of the ice shelf slowly crumbles into icebergs which float off on their own path. For this reason, glaciers, ice shelves, and icebergs are all thick sheets of frozen fresh water and not frozen ocean water. In contrast, when ocean water freezes, it forms a thin flat layer known as sea ice or pack ice. Sea ice has long been the enemy of ships seeking an open route through cold waters, but modern ice breaker ships have no problem breaking a path through the fields of frozen ocean.
Despite the fact that the oceans do freeze when the temperature is cold enough, ocean water does indeed stay liquid under much colder weather than one would first expect. For instance, go to the beach on a winter day and you may be surprised to find that the ocean is still liquid despite the snow and ice on the ground being frozen. There are four main factors that keep the ocean in a liquid state much more than may be expected, as described in the textbook Essentials of Oceanography by Tom Garrison.
1. Salt
The high concentration of salt in ocean water lowers its freezing point from 32° F (0° C) to 28° F (-2° C). As a result, the ambient temperature must reach a lower point in order to freeze the ocean than to freeze freshwater lakes. This freezing-point depression effect is the same reason we throw salt on icy sidewalks in the winter. The salt lowers the freezing point of the ice below the ambient temperature and it melts. Note that if the ambient temperature is lower than 28° F (-2° C), the ocean water would be ice if this were the only effect involved. Such is not the case, so there must be other effects involved.
2. Ocean currents
The gravitational pull of the moon, earth's spinning motion, and thermal convection combine to create large-scale flows of ocean water known as ocean currents. This constant motion of the ocean water helps keep the water molecules from freezing into the somewhat stationary state of ice crystals. More significantly, the ocean currents continuously pump warm water from the equatorial regions to the colder ocean regions.
3. High volume
The larger the volume of water, the more heat has to be removed in order to freeze it. A teaspoon of water placed in the freezer will become completely solid long before a gallon jug of water. More accurately, it is the surface-area to volume ratio for a given external temperature that determines the rate of heat loss and therefore the speed of freezing. Because the heat must be lost through its surface, a small shallow puddle with a large surface will freeze quicker than a deep lake. The immense volume and depth of the oceans keeps them from freezing too quickly, thereby allowing the heating mechanisms to have a larger effect.
4. Earth's internal heating
As miners are well aware, the earth gets hotter and not colder as you dig straight down, despite the fact that you are getting farther away from the warm sunlight. The reason for this is that the earth has its own internal heat source which is driven primarily by the nuclear decay of elements inside earth's mantle. The earth's internal heat is most evident when lava flows and hot springs poke through the surface. Because earth's insulating crust is much thinner under the oceans than under the continents, most of the earth's internal heat escapes into the oceans. Although the temperature of the air at an ocean's surface may be freezing, the temperature of the water deep in the ocean is significantly warmer due to internal heating.
This combination of salt, ocean currents, high volume, and internal heating keeps most of the ocean in liquid form even during cold winters.
Why don't the oceans freeze? | Science Questions with Surprising Answers (wtamu.edu)
Frank, why even bother trying to have a conversation with the echo chamber? It's the same folks denying climate change that were denying COVID being real. Trust me, take a brick, throw it at the block wall, and enjoy the sound of the thud, it's the same effect without the wasted keystrokes.
Yes I am and I'm still using gas to heat my home, what's your point? Does that mean I should deny climate change is real and nothing should be done to try and delay it as much as possible?
Hey CM, are the oceans around Antarctica ice or liquid?
What happens when a large body of water that's above freezing comes in contact with ice?
Do you think its impossible for Greenland's glaciers to melt the same way, its pretty cold there as well?
Please explain the science behind your theory.
I never meet wackos like this in real life so I'm really just curious how their minds work and whether or not people like this can ever change or are just forever hopeless.
Antarctica is in winter ice is everywhere constantly repeating elite family funded climate nonsense does not make it true
