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a quote from that link you provided, from Hitchens.

Hitchens jumped in and said, “I completely concur,” and explained that he mentioned religious atrocities as an example of how bad people use God to justify any and all wicked actions.

There you go CM, Hitchens himself has said something I've said all along, PEOPLE are the problem.
It must suck for CM when his hero blows about 90% of his arguments out of the water...
 

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Your boat is leaking

Oh I Don't know rid.
Can't believe your still toying around with all this holy 'happy horseshit' when your boat is so full of holes.....


Guess who will probably come carping ....
"The Woodpecker might have to go from the Ark!"
 

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Carlin was a comedian who used various comedic techniques to try to make some points on a number of topics.

Feel free to get your worldview from George Carlin if you like.
Carlin made a hell of a lot more sense than most theologians for Christ's sake!

 

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Eight Face Charges in Child Abuse Investigation

UPDATED: Monday, March 21, 2011 --- 9:20 p.m.

Eight members of a Black Earth Church face child abuse charges tonight.

They're in trouble for the type of punishment investigators say a church leader encouraged.

There is no argument about whether these things happened, those charged admit as much to investigators. They say they believe they're doing what the bible tells them to.

The basement of a Black Earth home, one of two locations for the Aleitheia Bible Church, is where Dane County investigators say child abuse not only occurred but was encouraged over and over.

Philip Caminiti, the church's head pastor, made his first court appearance Monday facing 8 counts of child abuse.

According to a criminal complaint Caminiti told detectives he believes the bible dictates the use of a rod over hand to punish children. The complaint says Caminiti shows church members how to use wooden spoons and dowels to hit the bare bottoms of misbehaving children as young as 2 months old.

Church members say children and infants were punished for things such as being emotional, grumpy or crying, not sitting quietly through church, crying when being handed from a mother to another person or for potty training mistakes.

Dane County Sheriff's Office Spokesperson Elise Schaffer says, "I think any time children are involved in this kind of case it's difficult for everyone."

Philip Caminiti is one of 8 church members facing child abuse charges including his brother John Caminiti.

John also faces charges of mental harm to a child.

He told investigators he often shunned his wife and children, sometimes telling them they must stay in their room for weeks at a time.

We stopped at Phil Caminiti's house hoping to do an interview and get their side of the story. We were told by the woman who answered the door they've been told they can't talk to us for legal reasons.

But in interviews with investigators many members of the church did talk.

In a criminal complaint Phil is quoted as saying "the scripture is never wrong" and "pain is a good way to teach children."

The complaint says he also told them "if you spank early and it is done right then kids will be obedient", adding he didn't think bruises were telltale signs of something bad.

All of the victims' parents described redness and bruises as common effects of the spankings.

Schaffer says, "The church beliefs really don't play into account here. We're strictly looking at it from a legal perspective."

The victims in this case include a total of twelve children, ranging in age from infants to six years old.

The investigation began last year when former members of the church contacted authorities.

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines...d_Abuse_Investigation.html?storySection=story
How may members are in this church? I suspect their quite possibly all related, just like the WBC. After doing what they did they should be charged and possibly given the same treatment. Your always going to find examples of this but it 's fringe stuff. Although, you become good at finding fringe shite. This is not a matter of religion. This a matter of stupid abusive people.

Keep up the good work, you doing a fine jobs sniffing out nut jobs. When you find something that involves more than a handful of nut bars, let us know. Then it might be consider a reasonable point.
 

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Oh I Don't know rid.
Can't believe your still toying around with all this holy 'happy horseshit' when your boat is so full of holes.....


Guess who will probably come carping ....
"The Woodpecker might have to go from the Ark!"
The power of your reasoning is compelling.

Perhaps you believe that it is impossible for there to be progress or good news. Do you think the MIC is behind religion too?
 

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Do you think the MIC is behind religion too?
Religion has Always been a useful 'tool' for the MIC....god willing!

MIC found that ditty 'Praise the lord and pass the ammunition' very helpful in fattening their bottom line!....
 

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Religion has Always been a useful 'tool' for the MIC....god willing!

MIC found that ditty 'Praise the lord and pass the ammunition' very helpful in fattening their bottom line!....
As usual, you know nothing about the story behind the song, but that doesn't stop you chirping into a conversation ever.

From; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" is an American patriotic song written by Frank Loesser and published as sheet music in 1942 by Famous Music Corp. The song was a response to the attack on Pearl Harbor that marked United States involvement in World War II.
The song describes a chaplain ("sky pilot") being with some fighting men who are under attack from an enemy. He is asked to say a prayer for the men who were engaged in firing at the oncoming planes. The chaplain puts down his Bible, mans one of the ship's gun turrets and begins firing back, saying, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition".

Not all religious leaders are just talkers! Some step into the breach with more backbone than people like you will never have.
 

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As usual, you know nothing about the story behind the song, but that's never stopped you chirping into a converation.
Please little bottie what YOU posted makes my point!
Perhaps you missed that skippy......


Not all religious leaders are just talkers! Some step into the breach with more backbone than people like you will never have.
I am a Veteran who wore the uniform during the NAM Debacle!
What military did you serve in....little onie???....
 

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Please little bottie what YOU posted makes my point!
Perhaps you missed that skippy......



I am a Veteran who wore the uniform during the NAM Debacle!
What military did you serve in....little onie???....
Nice. Now do you peel potatoes in your uniform when you do KP or what? Apparently, Shrub served in the miltary as well. Were you drafted or did you enlist? How long were you in country? That fact that you say the things you do about the military makes me suspect you didn't enjoy it. Kind of like our recently disappeared friend QIF.
 

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There you go again Moriarty

Nice. Now do you peel potatoes in your uniform when you do KP or what?
Always with the negative waves....


Why can't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change skippy!

Never did KP after being drafted.
They had machines to peel potatoes by then.

Did you do KP, or even wear the uniform???
From the why you bluster, I doubt it.....
 

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Always with the negative waves....


Why can't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change skippy!

Never did KP after being drafted.
They had machines to peel potatoes by then.

Did you do KP, or even wear the uniform???
From the why you bluster, I doubt it.....
So you were drafted.

No, I didn't wear a military uniform. As they said, my skill set was better suited elsewhere; let the jokes begin, but give it your best shot.

I do KP almost every day.
 

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Always with the negative waves....


Why can't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change skippy!

Never did KP after being drafted.
They had machines to peel potatoes by then.

Did you do KP, or even wear the uniform???
From the why you bluster, I doubt it.....
If you were proud of your service I think you would have answered BR13's questions...
 

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If you were proud of your service I think you would have answered BR13's questions...
I was drafted like most in my military unit were then.
Did my duty but like many others found very little to be proud of. Like Richie Havens sang in one of his songs (at the 3'17" mark)....."Most of what we were taught to do, was against most of our scared laws."
All and all it was a total waste for most of us.
Only the lifers felt fulfilled by it but we chided them telling them they were best suited in the military since they probably couldn't hold a civilian job. That flick 'Kelly's Heroes' was played widely on our base while serving. We watched it many times.....it drove the lifers bonkers.

BTW it was in AIT training I first heard the term 'Happy Horseshit' referenced towards religion used by a SGT instructor. He was a hardcore vet who had just returned from combat in NAM and wanted to make sure we did to. His words on religion were. "It's OK, if you need that holy-holy 'Happy Horseshit' to get you by. But after what I saw and went through over in NAM I'm convinced there ain't no god-damned god! .....and if there is he should be hung for allowing what happens over there".....

Did you wear the uniform rid???
 

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I was drafted like most in my military unit were then.
Did my duty but like many others found very little to be proud of. Like Richie Havens sang in one of his songs (at the 3'17" mark)....."Most of what we were taught to do, was against most of our scared laws."
All and all it was a total waste for most of us.
Only the lifers felt fulfilled by it but we chided them telling them they were best suited in the military since they probably couldn't hold a civilian job. That flick 'Kelly's Heroes' was played widely on our base while serving. We watched it many times.....it drove the lifers bonkers.

BTW it was in AIT training I first heard the term 'Happy Horseshit' referenced towards religion used by a SGT instructor. He was a hardcore vet who had just returned from combat in NAM and wanted to make sure we did to. His words on religion were. "It's OK, if you need that holy-holy 'Happy Horseshit' to get you by. But after what I saw and went through over in NAM I'm convinced there ain't no god-damned god! .....and if there is he should be hung for allowing what happens over there".....

Did you wear the uniform rid???
I wore "our" uniform. Not yours. Canadian regs. By choice, obviously.

Still can't tell if you were actually in the shit or in the rear with the gear.

But you have mastered Youtube...

And since you are fond of cliches..."There are no atheists in a foxhole."
 

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I wore "our" uniform. Not yours. Canadian regs. By choice, obviously.

Still can't tell if you were actually in the shit or in the rear with the gear.

But you have mastered Youtube...

And since you are fond of cliches..."There are no atheists in a foxhole."
It got very quiet in this thread all of a sudden. I guess Woodrow hurt himself. Hmmmm!
 

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Controversy over creationist Libertyville teacher

The issue of a Libertyville High School instructor teaching creationism in the science classroom is likely to be brought up in the public comment section of tonight's Community High School District 128 board meeting.

Atheist activist Rob Sherman is expected to make an appearance in an attempt to get the creationist-promoting teacher fired.

District officials have said they have spoken with science teacher Beau Schaefer and confirmed that he was teaching creationist beliefs at the high school. Schaefer has not returned calls seeking comment.

The school board is scheduled to go into executive session to discuss the employment of an unidentified employee and take action on that discussion Tuesday evening. It is not known if that employee is Schaefer. District officials say any personnel issues will be discussed behind closed doors.

The school board meeting is set for 7 p.m. at the Vernon Hills High School Library, 145 N. Lakeview Parkway in Vernon Hills.

“Steps have been taken to ensure that this teacher will no longer use creationism as part of his classroom instruction,” Mary Todoric, director of communications, said last week. “Furthermore, the district has taken appropriate steps to ensure that all science teachers are not referencing or teaching creationism.”

Even so, Buffalo Grove-based activist Sherman has said he plans to speak at the board meeting, representing five parents and the sibling of an LHS student who have contacted him out of concern that their students might have been graded on their knowledge of Schaefer’s religious teachings.

“It has nothing to do with being dissatisfied,” Sherman said. “I’m protecting conquered territory and assisting parents who want the teacher fired by articulating their concerns. What I’m trying to do is remind the board with my presence that creationism in the classroom is undesirable and according to the Supreme Court it is illegal. ”

For example, in a quiz allegedly assigned by Schaefer, Sherman claims some questions lead students to creationist beliefs, swaying them toward the notion that evolution is not scientific. That goes against the Illinois State Board of Education’s 11th grade science assessment framework, Sherman said.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that creationism is not scientific, but is a religious Christian belief that God created mankind and that it is unconstitutional to advance a particular religious belief in the classroom.

However, dissenters such as Justice Antonin Scalia and Chief Justice William Rehnquist have said that decision goes against protecting educational freedom.

However, Sherman has said he has been hearing from people on both sides of the argument — some saying they want creationism to be taught in the classroom and that they are expected to speak at the Tuesday meeting in support of Schaefer.

“Anyone choosing to attend the board meeting has the opportunity to speak during the “invitation for public comment” section of the agenda,” Todoric said. “There will be no discussion of the science curriculum or Mr. Schaefer… Personnel matters are never discussed publicly.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...le-teacher-isnt-dead-20110322,0,5003950.story
 

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Controversy over creationist Libertyville teacher

The issue of a Libertyville High School instructor teaching creationism in the science classroom is likely to be brought up in the public comment section of tonight's Community High School District 128 board meeting.

Atheist activist Rob Sherman is expected to make an appearance in an attempt to get the creationist-promoting teacher fired.

District officials have said they have spoken with science teacher Beau Schaefer and confirmed that he was teaching creationist beliefs at the high school. Schaefer has not returned calls seeking comment.

The school board is scheduled to go into executive session to discuss the employment of an unidentified employee and take action on that discussion Tuesday evening. It is not known if that employee is Schaefer. District officials say any personnel issues will be discussed behind closed doors.

The school board meeting is set for 7 p.m. at the Vernon Hills High School Library, 145 N. Lakeview Parkway in Vernon Hills.

“Steps have been taken to ensure that this teacher will no longer use creationism as part of his classroom instruction,” Mary Todoric, director of communications, said last week. “Furthermore, the district has taken appropriate steps to ensure that all science teachers are not referencing or teaching creationism.”

Even so, Buffalo Grove-based activist Sherman has said he plans to speak at the board meeting, representing five parents and the sibling of an LHS student who have contacted him out of concern that their students might have been graded on their knowledge of Schaefer’s religious teachings.

“It has nothing to do with being dissatisfied,” Sherman said. “I’m protecting conquered territory and assisting parents who want the teacher fired by articulating their concerns. What I’m trying to do is remind the board with my presence that creationism in the classroom is undesirable and according to the Supreme Court it is illegal. ”

For example, in a quiz allegedly assigned by Schaefer, Sherman claims some questions lead students to creationist beliefs, swaying them toward the notion that evolution is not scientific. That goes against the Illinois State Board of Education’s 11th grade science assessment framework, Sherman said.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that creationism is not scientific, but is a religious Christian belief that God created mankind and that it is unconstitutional to advance a particular religious belief in the classroom.

However, dissenters such as Justice Antonin Scalia and Chief Justice William Rehnquist have said that decision goes against protecting educational freedom.

However, Sherman has said he has been hearing from people on both sides of the argument — some saying they want creationism to be taught in the classroom and that they are expected to speak at the Tuesday meeting in support of Schaefer.

“Anyone choosing to attend the board meeting has the opportunity to speak during the “invitation for public comment” section of the agenda,” Todoric said. “There will be no discussion of the science curriculum or Mr. Schaefer… Personnel matters are never discussed publicly.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...le-teacher-isnt-dead-20110322,0,5003950.story
So? That post makes it seem like the process is working perfectly fine...

Do you read before you cut and paste?
 
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