Why Religion Fails

[wet_suit_one]

rld, just a comment. You're arguing logically with human beings (perhaps I should say engaging in discourse, but I don't see a whole lot of that here). Logical argumentation requires people who are versed in logic. Most are not. Therefore, the argument, though highly enjoyable (I suppose, you keep posting) and entertaining in a way (I have had a few laughs), achieves little.

That said, my mind is often changed at a later date after having been exposed to new idea. I do enjoy our digital Agora. It's a fine development.

Anyways, carry on. One day, we'll all be logicians (and pigs will fly too!).

Cheers!

Oh yeah, in keeping with the thread, may you all be blessed by the touch of the Noodly Apendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. My personal mess of pasta in the sky (yes, I am a pastafarian. Want to make something of it? C'mon! Let's go you heathen unbeliever!!!!) ;-)

 

[Mencken]

So many of these arguments are semantic - definitions of words. Personally I see no evidence of the existence of a diety that has anything to do with me, or anyone else. I also see that the version of religion I am most familliar with, Christianity, has a "human only" revelation of God and therefore there is nothing reliable there. So having no evidence or direct revelation of this god I am confident there is no such thing. There are an infinite number of other possible "gods" but again, having no evidence for any I don't spend much time worrying about the possibility.

So call me an atheist, or an agnostic, say that my belief is "spiritual" therefore religious - all seems like definitions only.

In my view if you substitute "superstitious" for the word "spiritual" you hit the nail on the head. I think religious belief is merely a form of superstition....and superstition is something that humans naturally exhibit, probably the result of the structure and function of our brains. We are all superstitious, we differ only in how we control that tendancy, and in what areas we let it inform us.

 

[5hummer]

How about we end this thread and conclude that: Religion Fails.

 

[Aardvark154]

How about we end this thread and conclude that: Religion is an important and vital force in the world.

 

[dirk076]

How about we end this thread and conclude that: Religion is an important and vital force in the world.

LMFAO....right.......

 

[toguy5252]

How about we end this thread and conclude that: Religion is an important and vital force in the world.

Whether or not someone is religious or believes in any religion i think that statement is indisputable.

 

[Narg]

LMFAO....right.......

Why disagree? "Important and vital" does not necessarily mean beneficial or moral. The fact that we're on page 35 (+) of comments suggests that religion is one of the most important issues discussed on this board. (Although less important than Don's pictures of asians).

 

[dirk076]

Whether or not someone is religious or believes in any religion i think that statement is indisputable.

Indisputable? Bullshit. From fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. to radical Islamists around the Globe, I think it can safely be said that organized religion is dangerous, a force of negativity, an excuse for war, and of no real use in the year 2011. John Lennon was way ahead of his time and I look forward to the day when there is no religion.

 

[wigglee]

religion should be between man and his self, not between groups of men trying to force their beliefs on others..........so according to that premise, most of the major religions: catholics, muslims and evangelical christians are all guilty and deserve contempt. Of course, this is just an imperialist quest for power and the beauty is, it does not have make any sense because it is based on blind faith.......a recipe for the insanity we see today worldwide.

 

[toguy5252]

Why disagree? "Important and vital" does not necessarily mean beneficial or moral. The fact that we're on page 35 (+) of comments suggests that religion is one of the most important issues discussed on this board. (Although less important than Don's pictures of asians).

Exactly. Simply stating that it is "important and vital" does not import any value judgment at all. It is simply stating a fact which as I say is indisputable.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Religion is an important and vital force in the world.

And sadly a dangerous force in the world since MAN first created it!
Of course this being the case, still in NO way logically proves any of those "invisible men in the sky" even exist!...

 

[Mervyn]

How about we end this thread and conclude that: Religion Fails.

Because religion is not a cause , it's a tool that has been misued.

Religion fails because humans are in charge of it.

Now you can end thread.

 

[Cobster]

How about we end this thread and conclude that: Religion is an important and vital force in the world.

...ahhh, but which religion is the right religion?
I mean is it Islam? Hindu? Christianity? Judaism?

So many people and only one group of followers can be right?

How about this, religion is superstition passed on for years and years through story telling from the beginning of man.

The End.

 

[Cobster]

And sadly a dangerous force in the world since MAN first created it!
Of course this being the case, still in NO way logically proves any of those "invisible men in the sky" even exist!...

 

[blackrock13]

George was one of the best at his craft, but this is his opinion and stand up comedy.

 

[Cobster]

George was one of the best at his craft, but this is his opinion and stand up comedy.

Correct, he was a genius at his craft AND he managed to put the "man in the sky" story in a light that allows others to see how it is quite a laughable, ludicrous story passed on from generation to generation.

Btw, I used to be of Christian faith myself...

 

[WoodPeckr]

Carlin was always brilliant at debunking the BS that is relgion....

 

[rld]

...ahhh, but which religion is the right religion?
I mean is it Islam? Hindu? Christianity? Judaism?

So many people and only one group of followers can be right?

How about this, religion is superstition passed on for years and years through story telling from the beginning of man.

The End.

Actually, more than one of them can be right. Many theologies teach that quite directly.

Of course scientists feel the same way. They propose various theories and only one of them can be right.

 

[rld]

Carlin was always brilliant at debunking the BS that is relgion....

Carlin was a comedian who used various comedic techniques to try to make some points on a number of topics.

Feel free to get your worldview from George Carlin if you like.

As long as you don't mind people getting their worldview from elsewhere.

 

[rld]

How about we end this thread and conclude that: Religion Fails.

How about we look at the evidence objectively.

The vast majority of the world is religious.

Religion has existed in many forms for tens of thousands of years and dominated every single human civilization that has existed.

Religion has played a major role in shaping our laws, language, values, culture and history, and still does.

I guess if being one of the dominant forces in human history and still shaping much of how people think is a fail...

But from a Darwinian perspective, religion has been a huge success.