Why JT wants to end Freedom Convoy demonstration in Ottawa

Anbarandy

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You really don't know anything about liability, safety, supply chains, ETC.
He knows as much about the above topics as he does about law.

All you have to do is explore his vast posting history regarding legal issues and the courts.

Here's a hint, start with the following:

1) All election cases brought forward by Trump and company regarding electoral fraud

2) The James "Charger" FieldS Trial

3) The Floyd lynching and trial

4) The Aurbrey lynching and trial
 
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nottyboi

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The Ottawa business closures are not so easy to calculate. What caused them to close? Blocked streets meant not enough customer traffic? Fear of vandalism that didn’t happen? Refusal to serve protesters? Seems like the coffee shops and eateries were foolish to close, provided they could be staffed, as the protesters would have spent a fortune there.

Good luck to the US if they think they can find more reliable trading partners than Canada. That one is like complaining about your wife when you know she’s 10 times better than your alternatives!
They may just choose not to trade, and Canadian companies may decide to build plants in the USA to not deal with this BS. Its really that simple.
 

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He knows as much about the above topics as he does about law.

All you have to do is explore his vast posting history regarding legal issues and the courts.

Here's a hint, start with the following:

1) All election cases brought forward by Trump and company regarding electoral fraud

2) The James "Charger" Field Trial

3) The Floyd lynching and trial

4) The Aurbrey lynching and trial
If he’s into a careful study of posts here on TERB he’ll discover:

1) I didn’t make any predictions about the success of Trump’s litigation but ”characters” like you continue to pretend that I did. In fact I didn’t post a single inaccurate fact or legal analysis in the entire course of that thread. What is the sort of delusion that compelled you to post otherwise? I’ve invited others to prove otherwise. I’m still waiting.

2) Wrong.

3) Wrong. But juries are notoriously unreliable when it comes to applying subtle legal principles especially in highly politicized cases.

4) Wrong. But juries are notoriously unreliable when it comes to applying subtle legal principles especially in highly politicized cases.
 

Dutch Oven

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They may just choose not to trade, and Canadian companies may decide to build plants in the USA to not deal with this BS. Its really that simple.
Who else is a better trading partner with a more stable political climate and more advantageous trading arrangements? Mexico? Don’t make me laugh! There’s a reason why the US does as much trade with Canada as it does and it isn’t because we have rock bottom labour costs.

Business is about profit not politics. You can quantify the costs of the disruption of the bridge protest any way you like but that cost is dwarfed by the transactional and structural costs of trading with anyone, else.
 

Anbarandy

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If he’s into a careful study of posts here on TERB he’ll discover:

1) I didn’t make any predictions about the success of Trump’s litigation but ”characters” like you continue to pretend that I did. In fact I didn’t post a single inaccurate fact or legal analysis in the entire course of that thread. What is the sort of delusion that compelled you to post otherwise? I’ve invited others to prove otherwise. I’m still waiting.

2) Wrong.

3) Wrong. But juries are notoriously unreliable when it comes to applying subtle legal principles especially in highly politicized cases.

4) Wrong. But juries are notoriously unreliable when it comes to applying subtle legal principles especially in highly politicized cases.
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Why do you appear to be so defensive?

I have not claimed nor staked any position on your expertise regarding liability, safety, supply chains, ETC, nor your legal prowess in my post that you replied to.

I merely suggested that the poster peruse your vast posting history to make an accurate determination of you expertise.

If you are so confident in your abilities and expertise, then you should not have any difficulty whatsoever with others forming opinions based upon your prodigious posting reference library and the preponderance of the evidence contained therein.

I trust that you are confident.
 
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nottyboi

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Who else is a better trading partner with a more stable political climate and more advantageous trading arrangements? Mexico? Don’t make me laugh! There’s a reason why the US does as much trade with Canada as it does and it isn’t because we have rock bottom labour costs.

Business is about profit not politics. You can quantify the costs of the disruption of the bridge protest any way you like but that cost is dwarfed by the transactional and structural costs of trading with anyone, else.
Why do they need to trade? In case you didn't notice since your head is in a dutch oven. There is some very strong protectionist sentiment in the US right now. And these MORONs just kicked Canada right in the balls.
 

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It only bothers the left when the right protests and vice versa. The left protests broke the law and they said nothing. Now in Canada the right is breaking the law and the right is saying nothing. Both sides are so entrenched they can't see the forest for the trees. It really bothers me when the left calls all the truckers the KKKonvoy and when the right called all the BLM protesters criminals and thugs. There are bad apples in both groups, not doubt but not the majority. You guys just add to the problem, not make it any better.
Agree, but the difference is the violence and destruction of private property. Blocking the border crossing by Freedom Convoy is of the same magnitude as blocking railroad by First Nations. Both are pretty bad but not terrible. Both should be dealt with eventually with as little violence as possible. And it was done this way in both cases (less violence with truckers because most of them agreed to go home when they were told the force will be used against them otherwise). Protest in Ottawa is of a much smaller magnitude and, I think should be allowed (with fines for honking and excessive noise at nights, especially now when honking is outlawed in DT Ottawa). When some protesters start to burn cars and building, throwing rocks, and stealing merchandise from stores - they are not protesters, they are criminals and must be dealt with immediately. Unfortunately, there were many instances like that during BML protests which police were not able to stop right away, and it makes them not OK
 

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Real reason JT needs the protestors gone? With them there he cannot remove any mandates. If he does, it means he caved into the protestors....
Sadly the analysis misses that there's not much for JT to 'cave' to unless you think he has the power to change Canada's political structure to make public health a federal responsibility.

He could start allowing unvaccinated visitors free access to Canada but the people are bitching about the "mandates" are the same people demanding he seal the borders to keep covid foreigner out.
 
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Yep, I know quite a bit about those subjects. What would you like to learn about?
If you could "learn me" anything on those topics, that would mean that you would have all the answers to your questions because with my limited knowledge of these subjects I was able to figure out the answers very easily.
If this is the case, it would mean you are just trolling.
 

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Agree, but the difference is the violence and destruction of private property. Blocking the border crossing by Freedom Convoy is of the same magnitude as blocking railroad by First Nations. Both are pretty bad but not terrible. Both should be dealt with eventually with as little violence as possible. And it was done this way in both cases (less violence with truckers because most of them agreed to go home when they were told the force will be used against them otherwise). Protest in Ottawa is of a much smaller magnitude and, I think should be allowed (with fines for honking and excessive noise at nights, especially now when honking is outlawed in DT Ottawa). When some protesters start to burn cars and building, throwing rocks, and stealing merchandise from stores - they are not protesters, they are criminals and must be dealt with immediately. Unfortunately, there were many instances like that during BML protests which police were not able to stop right away, and it makes them not OK
Yes the protest is smaller in magnitude but they are affecting other people's lives. They are breaking the law and should be removed. Fines will not do anything. They won't leave. They have to be removed by force or by being arrested. I agree with you about the BLM protests but again that was a few bad apples who saw an opportunity to either steal or damage property. I doubt they were there to protest social justice just like in the Ottawa case you have racists an white supremacists using this to infiltrate an anti mandate protest. You can't paint everyone with the same brush.
 
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Yes the protest is smaller in magnitude but they are affecting other people's lives. They are breaking the law and should be removed. Fines will not do anything. They won't leave. They have to be removed by force or by being arrested. I agree with you about the BLM protests but again that was a few bad apples who saw an opportunity to either steal or damage property. I doubt they were there to protest social justice just like in the Ottawa case you have racists an white supremacists using this to infiltrate an anti mandate protest. You can't paint everyone with the same brush.
Protests in DT Ottawa maybe a bit disruptive for a few people (it is just 1-mile stretch on a street that has parliament and government building on one side and mostly offices on the other) and, regardless who may be among protesters, it is a peaceful protests (even "harassment" that may happen is just a few nasty words, not physical). So, yes, it may violate the letter of the law, however, it is nowhere near the point the force should be used. Police can easily go inside and stay there - there is no provocation or physical threat to anyone, especially police officers. So, go there and enforce the "no honking" law (this is, actually, the only thing that may disturb people - streets just 100 meters away are completely empty, so, the traffic problem is the same as any major road construction will cause). But try to break the protest on the pretend that it is a major disruption to Ottawans is simply ridiculous: the only one who is really disrupted by this protest is JT. I think, at this point all medical data points to the fact that vaccine mandates are no longer needed, so, JT can easily end this protest by removing mandates for truckers and all COVID test entry requirements. This move will satisfy most of the protesters (and many people who support it) and will effectively end despite of the radical minority that want to use this protests in their own interests. Yet, it seems the goal of JT s not to end the protests and make everyone's life easier, his goal is to "win". He behaves like little dictator who always must show his strength.
 

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Protests in DT Ottawa maybe a bit disruptive for a few people (it is just 1-mile stretch on a street that has parliament and government building on one side and mostly offices on the other) and, regardless who may be among protesters, it is a peaceful protests (even "harassment" that may happen is just a few nasty words, not physical). So, yes, it may violate the letter of the law, however, it is nowhere near the point the force should be used. Police can easily go inside and stay there - there is no provocation or physical threat to anyone, especially police officers. So, go there and enforce the "no honking" law (this is, actually, the only thing that may disturb people - streets just 100 meters away are completely empty, so, the traffic problem is the same as any major road construction will cause). But try to break the protest on the pretend that it is a major disruption to Ottawans is simply ridiculous: the only one who is really disrupted by this protest is JT. I think, at this point all medical data points to the fact that vaccine mandates are no longer needed, so, JT can easily end this protest by removing mandates for truckers and all COVID test entry requirements. This move will satisfy most of the protesters (and many people who support it) and will effectively end despite of the radical minority that want to use this protests in their own interests. Yet, it seems the goal of JT s not to end the protests and make everyone's life easier, his goal is to "win". He behaves like little dictator who always must show his strength.
Noise.
Shitting in the streets.
Streets blocked off
Residents harassed.
Illegal parking.
911 repeatedly shut down by fake calls
militia associated with the protest arrested for conspiracy to murder
foreign funding
money laundering
taking CERB and CEWS money then complaining about it
using children as human shields
demanding the government resign
 
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Noise.
Shitting in the streets.
Streets blocked off
Residents harassed.
Illegal parking.
911 repeatedly shut down by fake calls
militia associated with the protest arrested for conspiracy to murder
foreign funding
money laundering
taking CERB and CEWS money then complaining about it
using children as human shields
demanding the government resign
LOL!! Too bad they didn't burn some buildings or attacked anyone with axes like the eco-terrorists, yesterday. Just imagine the headlines, eh? Bunch of honkers!
 
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