Why It Matters That Seth Rogen Spoke Out Against Israel

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Sure, here you go:

I fully support the Right of Return for all Jewish refugees in to all Arab states where they were forced out or terrorized into leaving.
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Yet you have never advocated for Jewish refugees nor have you criticized the many Arab states that rejected Partition, launched a war, and have refused to let Jewish refugees return while keeping Palestinian refugees locked in camps?

Every other similar situation was solved by both sides integrating the refugees that came to them; the Arab states and the PLO who assists them in it would rather have pawns than actually care for people.

 

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You imagine the strangest things. My statements stands \

So you still stand with these statements?

a) all refugees and refugees and their descendants from the conflict (Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Arab refugees from israel/Palestine {or their ancestral homes}) go back to their ancestral homes.
b) all refugees and refugees and their descendants from the conflict (Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Arab refugees from israel/Palestine {or their ancestral homes}) get compensation from their former homes and consider the issue solved

 

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Every other similar situation was solved by both sides integrating the refugees that came to them; the Arab states and the PLO who assists them in it would rather have pawns than actually care for people.

Every other similar situation was solved by letting refugees return when they wanted to.
Not by forcing other countries to fix Israel's war crimes.
Why do you defend this attempt at ethnic cleansing?

You've already stated that refugees should be allowed to return to their ancestral homes.
So bring them back.

 

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So you still stand with these statements?

Yes. And I also stand by the third statement you chose to omit, the one that was implemented in every other similar situation in the 20th century.

Is there a reason why you refuse to hold Arab states accountable for their actions on this?

 

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Every other similar situation was solved by letting refugees return when they wanted to.
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Just another example where you show your complete ignorance of history. Muslims who fled India weren't allowed back. Pakistan did the moral thing and allowed them to be integrated. Hindu refugees from Pakistan were not allowed back. India did the moral thing and allowed them to be integrated. Greek refugees from Turkey were not allowed back. Greece did the moral thing and allowed them to be integrated. Muslim refugees from Greece were not allowed back. Turkey did the moral thing and allowed them to be integrated. Same thing with all the population transfers after WWII. The host countries did the moral thing and allowed them to be integrated. And no, the Jewish refugees from Arab states will never be allowed back. Israel did the moral thing and allowed them to be integrated.

The sore thumb in all these historical examples are the Arab states, the same ones that launched a war instead of accepting Partition and then kept refugees locked in camps for generations.


p.s. Palestinian polling says very few Palestinian refugees/descendants want to be Israeli. Just another case where you racist elitism has you telling the Palestinians they are wrong and your opinions matter more.

 

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Yes.

So you agree that all Palestinian refugees should have their Right of Return respected and all 5 million allowed to return to Israel/Palestine or to have just restitution for the loss of their homeland and 50 years of living as refugees.

Its about time.

 

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p.s. Palestinian polling says very few Palestinian refugees/descendants want to be Israeli. Just another case where you racist elitism has you telling the Palestinians they are wrong and your opinions matter more.

Not surprising, I'm sure they all just want to return to Palestine and have their homeland returned.
Much better than living under apartheid rule, though I'm sure that may even be better than living as a refugee.

But now that you've killed the two state solution, you just have to decide whether you back apartheid or equal rights.
Only a racist would back apartheid, right?

 

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Not surprising, ...

Yet you still want to force them to become Israelis against their will. More of your elitist racism.

But now that you've killed the two state solution,

Do you ever think about getting professional help? Your conspiracy about some random guy on a prostitution based board controlling the world is a desperate cry for help.

 

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So you agree that all Palestinian refugees should have their Right of Return respected and all 5 million allowed to return to Israel/Palestine or to have just restitution for the loss of their homeland and 50 years of living as refugees.

Its about time.

Yes, If Jewish refugees from Arab states are given the same option then I see no reason why the few Palestinians who want to become Israeli should be allowed to. More pragmatic (though less fair to Jewish refugees) is that Palestinian refugees and their descendants get compensation and be allowed to move to Palestine, stay in the country of their birth, or go to a willing third party (just like the deals Arafat and Abbas rejected).

But there is a 0% chance of Arab states, many of whom have laws against Jews, would ever allow it so it's a moot issue (and you would never criticize those Arabs states).

 

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Yet you still want to force them to become Israelis against their will. More of your elitist racism.

I'd prefer them to become Palestinians, but since the Israel you support took their land and won't give it back, that option is dead.
Why won't Israel give back the illegally occupied lands, basketcase?
And if Israel won't give it back, why won't they give them basic human rights?
As you said, its racist to say a people don't deserve rights.

Then there are the hard-core racists; the ones who believe other races are inferior and don't deserve rights (and there are a number of those on this board too).

 

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Yes, If Jewish refugees from Arab states are given the same option then I see no reason why the few Palestinians who want to become Israeli should be allowed to. More pragmatic (though less fair to Jewish refugees) is that Palestinian refugees and their descendants get compensation and be allowed to move to Palestine, stay in the country of their birth, or go to a willing third party (just like the deals Arafat and Abbas rejected).

So you believe that the Right of Return is not a universal right and is only applicable based on race or conditions based on race.
What was it you said?

Then there are the hard-core racists; the ones who believe other races are inferior and don't deserve rights (and there are a number of those on this board too).

 

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I'd prefer them to become Palestinians, ...

Funny because you never argue in favour of that. It's strange that every argument you make seems bent on whatever you think harms Israel the most.

Why won't Israel give back the illegally occupied lands, basketcase?

There is nothing illegal with Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the one's Israel could give it back to is Jordan. Jordan (and a lesser extent Egypt) is the one who invaded and stole the Palestinian state (after Arab/Palestinian leadership rejected Partition) and in their peace treaty with Israel gave Israel control over the West Bank until a negotiated peace could be achieved. I know it's history but you can easily look it up.

Of course I have never seen you criticize Arab/Palestinian leadership for rejecting Partition, have never seen you criticize the Arab leadership for declaring war, never seen you criticize those Arab states for locking refugees in camps for generations, and never seen you criticize Palestinian leaders for rejecting peace.

Instead your only argument is somehow Israel should somehow force the Palestinian leadership to accept peace.

 

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As you said, its racist to say a people don't deserve rights.

Right. So why do you think Palestinians who don't want to become Israeli should be forced to become Israel while also saying Jewish refugees don 't deserve consideration?

So you believe that the Right of Return is not a universal right and is only applicable based on race or conditions based on race.
What was it you said?

It's amazing how much bullshit you make up. Is a straightforward discussion too much for you to handle or is it like historical discussions and too complicated for you?

Seems I'm the only one here saying a fair solution should be applied to refugees on both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict while you keep insisting it should only apply to Palestinians and that the Arab states who have abused them for generations are blameless.

 

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There is nothing illegal with Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the one's Israel could give it back to is Jordan.

Sure there is, there are multiple war crimes going on daily.
An occupation is supposed to be temporary and its a war crime to acquire land through occupation and war.
As you have admitted, every single settlement is illegal and a war crime.
There are many reasons why Israel has the most UN resolutions against them, but the illegal occupation is #1.

Israeli Settlements in Occupied Territory - Let's Be Clear

All Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories are illegal. Israel’s long-running policy of settling civilians in occupied territory amounts to a war crime.

www.amnestyusa.org

Israeli settlements are still illegal despite Trump backing them, says UN

‘A change in the policy position of one state does not modify existing international law’

www.independent.co.uk

For 50 years Palestinians have lived as stateless refugees, with zero rights, under Israeli occupation.
As you say:

Then there are the hard-core racists; the ones who believe other races are inferior and don't deserve rights (and there are a number of those on this board too).

 

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Right. So why do you think Palestinians who don't want to become Israeli

You are not a spokesperson for Palestinians and should never try to speak for them.
As someone who has repeatedly defending using snipers to shoot women and children when they protest against Israeli occupation and the refusal to honour the Right of Return, you are very much wrong.

Gaza’s Great March of Return protests explained

Here’s the backstory of the Great March of Return protests and the conditions that have brought Gaza to this point.

www.aljazeera.com

Seems I'm the only one here saying a fair solution should be applied to refugees on both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict while you keep insisting it should only apply to Palestinians and that the Arab states who have abused them for generations are blameless.

You are the only one here who tries to blame the countries that have hosted the refugees that Israel created.
You are the only one here who says that all Jews have the right of return but no Palestinians do.

As you say:

Then there are the hard-core racists; the ones who believe other races are inferior and don't deserve rights (and there are a number of those on this board too).