Why does everyone hijack the Pride parade?

[SchlongConery]

Did you poll the people at pride, or is this just you being offended on their behalf?
Is it all protesters you're angry at, or just the ones at pride?

I don't need to poll the people at Pride to know that people don't like their parties to be crashed.

And if you are going to rip-off Glen Foster's line of "being offended on others behalf", use it appropriately. And stop putting words in my mouth. Go eat a dick instead. I didn't say anyone was offended. I said that the Pro-Palestinian protestors should think of a more effective way to get their message across. I support their message, any message, to save Palestinian lives. I'd rather they be effective than garner contempt and hurt the cause.

But yeah, it did affect me. Not that it is any big deal but I actually planned to go to that Parade with a gf. As I've said many times, I simply do not have sexual attraction towards men, nor do I enjoy a MFF 3some for the FF part! But I do love it that the Gays are, well, so gay and seemingly happy being Gay. In my relatively short lifetime I have seen Canadian society progress from being called a fag or implying homosexuality as being the ultimate insult and societal demonization, to gay bath house raids, to being, 'fine just don't look at my cock in the bathroom', to 'fine, just don't flaunt it in my face, to 'great whatever makes consenting adults happy.'

I've been to N'Awlins and Mardi Gas back when it and the French Quarter were authentic, been to Burning Man for a day and a half, always wanted to go to Carnival in Rio and any other super, over the top positive celebrations. But haven't gone to the Pride parade. This year I had a health scare that made me realize how important every day, and every opportunity is. So I wanted to go. But when I heard that this group was going to protest... I both lost my happy feeling about going, and actually feared that just one fucking asshole might up the ante out of frustration and cause some bombing or violence. Or that the cops might over-rract as they did a few years back in that Kettling tactic. *I* almost got kettled in it while eating wings at Hooters! Except a cop who recognized me suggested I get out of Dodge as something big was going to happen in the area and I didn't want to get caught up in it!

Last Sat, I think, I was leaving a Mirage incall and was walking south on Yonge and came upon this asshole yelling shit from a U-Haul pickup truck at Dundas. There were maybe 50-100 cops protecting the protestors who claimed the intersection, then marched south on Yonge. I saw many cars and people being diverted as this group felt they could inconvenience anyone for their purpose. And fwiw, I recall the message being chanted was more like "Free Palestine from the river to the Sea" , not 'Save Palestinian Lives from Genocide."

So I decide NOT to go to this year's Pride parade. And this 'raising awareness' bullshit did not cause me to feel more supportive towards their cause.

Same with the Indian or Pakistani truckers rolling blockades of the Gardiner/DVP, and same with the Freedum Fighters in Ottawa.

FUCK all of them who interfere with the rights of fellow Canadians to go about their business.

Want to protest effectively? First rule is not to be an asshole.

 

[whynot888]

Want to protest effectively? First rule is not to be an asshole.

Exactly! And when you interfere, they play the stupid victim card or its police brutality lol...

 

[mandrill]

FUCK YOU, again, with putting words in my mouth by saying I have "chosen to side with Israel on this issue".

Here's why you're "confused" on the matter. Because I haven't chosen to side with either side. I support Israel's right to exist as I do the Palestinian people's right to self-determination. And I abhor and condemn the actions of both sides. Unlike you, I don't know the answers to everything, least of how these separate rights are going to be able to co-exist. And again, fuck you for even so much as suggesting that I am attempting (again)" to justify the ongoing genocide of Palestinians in Gaza"

On the specific issue of this thread, protestors shutting down a peaceful parade celebrating people's own pride for having the mutual support to come out of, ironically, being oppressed themselves.

A pox on anyone's house who does that! Organize their own parade.

And threatening to, and then shutting down the parade when as you say they were "shut down" because " their board won't divest" (refuse the financial support of corporations that sustain the Pride parade/organization) is mischief, extortion and terrorism under the Criminal Code of Canada. It is not a protest protected under Section 2 Charter rights of freedom of expression and peaceful assembly.

Mischief

• 430(1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
  • (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
  • (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

Extortion

• 346 (1) Every one commits extortion who, without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to obtain anything, by threats, accusations, menaces or violence induces or attempts to induce any person, whether or not he is the person threatened, accused or menaced or to whom violence is shown, to do anything or cause anything to be done.

Terrorism
Interpretation -Definitions

• 83.01 (1) The following definitions apply in this Part.
• 
  
• terrorist activity means:
• 
  
• (b) an act or omission, in or outside Canada,
  • (i) that is committed
    • (A) in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause, and
    • 
      
    • (B) in whole or in part with the intention of intimidating the public, or a segment of the public, with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act, whether the public or the person, government or organization is inside or outside Canada, and
  • (ii) that intentionally
  • • (D) causes substantial property damage, whether to public or private property, if causing such damage is likely to result in the conduct or harm referred to in any of clauses (A) to (C),

It's more likely to be:

Unlawful assembly

63 (1) An unlawful assembly is an assembly of three or
more persons who, with intent to carry out any common
purpose, assemble in such a manner or so conduct themselves
when they are assembled as to cause persons in
the neighbourhood of the assembly to fear, on reasonable
grounds, that they
(a) will disturb the peace tumultuously; or

(b) will by that assembly needlessly and without reasonable
cause provoke other persons to disturb the
peace tumultuously.


Intimidation
423 (1) Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and
liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five
years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary
conviction who, wrongfully and without lawful authority,
for the purpose of compelling another person to abstain
from doing anything that he or she has a lawful right to
do, or to do anything that he or she has a lawful right to
abstain from doing,

(e) with one or more other persons, follows that person,
in a disorderly manner, on a highway;
(f) besets or watches the place where that person resides,
works, carries on business or happens to be; or
(g) blocks or obstructs a highway.

 

[SchlongConery]

It's more likely to be:

Unlawful assembly

63 (1) An unlawful assembly is an assembly of three or
more persons who, with intent to carry out any common
purpose, assemble in such a manner or so conduct themselves
when they are assembled as to cause persons in
the neighbourhood of the assembly to fear, on reasonable
grounds, that they
(a) will disturb the peace tumultuously; or

(b) will by that assembly needlessly and without reasonable
cause provoke other persons to disturb the
peace tumultuously.


Intimidation
423 (1) Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and
liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five
years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary
conviction who, wrongfully and without lawful authority,
for the purpose of compelling another person to abstain
from doing anything that he or she has a lawful right to
do, or to do anything that he or she has a lawful right to
abstain from doing,

(e) with one or more other persons, follows that person,
in a disorderly manner, on a highway;
(f) besets or watches the place where that person resides,
works, carries on business or happens to be; or
(g) blocks or obstructs a highway.

Most likely... nothing.

 

[Frankfooter]

More pivoting and distracting...thanks for admitting you can't answer any questions without tripping over your own hypocrisy.

ps I like watching the Left eat itself. Bon Appetit!

You're squirming again, skoob.
You're more offended by nudity at Pride than you are about genocide.

That says a lot about you.

 

[Frankfooter]

FUCK YOU, again, with putting words in my mouth by saying I have "chosen to side with Israel on this issue".

Here's why you're "confused" on the matter. Because I haven't chosen to side with either side. I support Israel's right to exist as I do the Palestinian people's right to self-determination. And I abhor and condemn the actions of both sides. Unlike you, I don't know the answers to everything, least of how these separate rights are going to be able to co-exist. And again, fuck you for even so much as suggesting that I am attempting (again)" to justify the ongoing genocide of Palestinians in Gaza"

On the specific issue of this thread, protestors shutting down a peaceful parade celebrating people's own pride for having the mutual support to come out of, ironically, being oppressed themselves.

A pox on anyone's house who does that! Organize their own parade.

And threatening to, and then shutting down the parade when as you say they were "shut down" because " their board won't divest" (refuse the financial support of corporations that sustain the Pride parade/organization) is mischief, extortion and terrorism under the Criminal Code of Canada. It is not a protest protected under Section 2 Charter rights of freedom of expression and peaceful assembly.

Mischief

• 430(1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
  • (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
  • (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

Extortion

• 346 (1) Every one commits extortion who, without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to obtain anything, by threats, accusations, menaces or violence induces or attempts to induce any person, whether or not he is the person threatened, accused or menaced or to whom violence is shown, to do anything or cause anything to be done.

Terrorism
Interpretation -Definitions

• 83.01 (1) The following definitions apply in this Part.
• 
  
• terrorist activity means:
• 
  
• (b) an act or omission, in or outside Canada,
  • (i) that is committed
    • (A) in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause, and
    • 
      
    • (B) in whole or in part with the intention of intimidating the public, or a segment of the public, with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act, whether the public or the person, government or organization is inside or outside Canada, and
  • (ii) that intentionally
  • • (D) causes substantial property damage, whether to public or private property, if causing such damage is likely to result in the conduct or harm referred to in any of clauses (A) to (C),

Schlong, you have repeatedly sided with Israel on this issue. You aren't calling for a ceasefire, you aren't calling for both sides to be held to the law and you've repeatedly blamed Palestinians while refusing to acknowledge the occupation is illegal and Israel rules through apartheid.
Those are the legal findings of the UN, those are not biased views, that is the law and the application of human rights.

Even quoting the crime of terrorism is biased here because you refuse to acknowledge that there are far more terrorist attacks by Israeli settlers alone than by Hamas. That's without going into a discussion about whether bombing civilians is terrorism or not, that's for the ICC and ICJ.

You are not unbiased.
45% of Canadians now say Israel is committing genocide.

I'm calling for both sides to be held to the law, all allegations of terrorism by both sides to be investigated along with allegations of apartheid and genocide. That is calling for unbiased international interventions.

You accept that Russia is occupying parts of Ukraine but refuse to say that Israel is occupying Palestine.
Why?

And if you want to quote the law, until you are admitting genocide is being committed and you think it should stop, as long as you are arguing Israel is acting in a way you think is justified and legal, you are now advocating and promoting genocide. That carries a 5 year sentence in Canada.

Are you backing genocide here, or are you advocating for the law and human rights to be applied equally to all Palestinians and Israelis right now?

318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

Definition of genocide
(2) In this section, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807299909684494740

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't need to poll the people at Pride to know that people don't like their parties to be crashed.

And if you are going to rip-off Glen Foster's line of "being offended on others behalf", use it appropriately. And stop putting words in my mouth. Go eat a dick instead. I didn't say anyone was offended. I said that the Pro-Palestinian protestors should think of a more effective way to get their message across. I support their message, any message, to save Palestinian lives. I'd rather they be effective than garner contempt and hurt the cause.

But yeah, it did affect me. Not that it is any big deal but I actually planned to go to that Parade with a gf. As I've said many times, I simply do not have sexual attraction towards men, nor do I enjoy a MFF 3some for the FF part! But I do love it that the Gays are, well, so gay and seemingly happy being Gay. In my relatively short lifetime I have seen Canadian society progress from being called a fag or implying homosexuality as being the ultimate insult and societal demonization, to gay bath house raids, to being, 'fine just don't look at my cock in the bathroom', to 'fine, just don't flaunt it in my face, to 'great whatever makes consenting adults happy.'

I've been to N'Awlins and Mardi Gas back when it and the French Quarter were authentic, been to Burning Man for a day and a half, always wanted to go to Carnival in Rio and any other super, over the top positive celebrations. But haven't gone to the Pride parade. This year I had a health scare that made me realize how important every day, and every opportunity is. So I wanted to go. But when I heard that this group was going to protest... I both lost my happy feeling about going, and actually feared that just one fucking asshole might up the ante out of frustration and cause some bombing or violence. Or that the cops might over-rract as they did a few years back in that Kettling tactic. *I* almost got kettled in it while eating wings at Hooters! Except a cop who recognized me suggested I get out of Dodge as something big was going to happen in the area and I didn't want to get caught up in it!

Last Sat, I think, I was leaving a Mirage incall and was walking south on Yonge and came upon this asshole yelling shit from a U-Haul pickup truck at Dundas. There were maybe 50-100 cops protecting the protestors who claimed the intersection, then marched south on Yonge. I saw many cars and people being diverted as this group felt they could inconvenience anyone for their purpose. And fwiw, I recall the message being chanted was more like "Free Palestine from the river to the Sea" , not 'Save Palestinian Lives from Genocide."

So I decide NOT to go to this year's Pride parade. And this 'raising awareness' bullshit did not cause me to feel more supportive towards their cause.

Same with the Indian or Pakistani truckers rolling blockades of the Gardiner/DVP, and same with the Freedum Fighters in Ottawa.

FUCK all of them who interfere with the rights of fellow Canadians to go about their business.

Want to protest effectively? First rule is not to be an asshole.

The entire point of protesting is to raise a stink so people discuss the issue.

Every single protest uses the same concept, whether its for climate change, ant vaxxers/convoy people, anti Mike Harris amalgamation or Palestine.
Arguing that its inconvenient and it makes you mad is exactly why its done.
Its why you're still here discussing this and why you've posted on Palestine for the first time in a month or two.

The protest worked.

And while I really like you and your posts generally I don't believe for a second you were going to go to Pride but decided not to because you thought this might happen. Nobody knew. The parade was shut down very close to the end and the issue is supported by the vast majority of the LGBTQ crowd.

Your reaction to the protest is entirely based on your very clear views that you don't support Palestinian rights, you don't support their rights in what should be Palestine, you don't support their right to resist an illegal occupation and you think Israel is in the right to commit genocide to continue taking more of their land. This statement will piss you off and you'll say 'fuck off' again, but look at your posts and show me wrong.

I'd really love to be wrong on this, I'd love that you were not supporting genocide and the ongoing colonization of Palestine and that you are not totally pissed that people in Toronto are protesting genocide.
But I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong here.

Again, why is it wrong for Putin to invade Ukraine but its ok for Palestine to be invaded and occupied?
Why do you think its wrong to back the calls by the UN, the ICC, the ICJ, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, UNICEF, MSF and others?

 

[SchlongConery]

Schlong, you have repeatedly sided with Israel on this issue. You aren't calling for a ceasefire, you aren't calling for both sides to be held to the law and you've repeatedly blamed Palestinians while refusing to acknowledge the occupation is illegal and Israel rules through apartheid.
Those are the legal findings of the UN, those are not biased views, that is the law and the application of human rights.

Even quoting the crime of terrorism is biased here because you refuse to acknowledge that there are far more terrorist attacks by Israeli settlers alone than by Hamas. That's without going into a discussion about whether bombing civilians is terrorism or not, that's for the ICC and ICJ.

You are not unbiased.
45% of Canadians now say Israel is committing genocide.

I'm calling for both sides to be held to the law, all allegations of terrorism by both sides to be investigated along with allegations of apartheid and genocide. That is calling for unbiased international interventions.

You accept that Russia is occupying parts of Ukraine but refuse to say that Israel is occupying Palestine.
Why?

And if you want to quote the law, until you are admitting genocide is being committed and you think it should stop, as long as you are arguing Israel is acting in a way you think is justified and legal, you are now advocating and promoting genocide. That carries a 5 year sentence in Canada.

Are you backing genocide here, or are you advocating for the law and human rights to be applied equally to all Palestinians and Israelis right now?

318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Definition of genocide
(2) In this section, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807299909684494740

Yes, fucktard, I agree that Israel, in its extreme actions under the guise of self-defence is effectively committing genocide. And whomever makes these decisions or participates in them or their actions should be investigated, charged if warranted and tried.

I am not as immersed in this matter as you are so I cannot make the specific, absolute statements that you make. So fucking STOP slandering me by putting words in my mouth or accusing me of promoting genocide because I won't suck up and say mmmmm to the hateful jizz you spew and the Xitter war porn you jack off to.

So stop accusing me of advocating or promoting genocide you fucking radicalized asshole.

 

[Frankfooter]

Finally, Schlong, here's a reminder of what people are protesting.
The genocide in Gaza has been in stages, bomb people and housing, destroy infrastructure including hospitals and block food and aid.
We are now at the point that human rights organizations have been warning about for months.
We are witnessing the intentional starvation of Palestinians in Gaza as part of the Israeli genocide.

This is what people are protesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807879683515584878

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807415016557019391

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805212265697673555

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805882886949663211

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, fucktard, I agree that Israel, in its extreme actions under the guise of self-defence is effectively committing genocide. And whomever makes these decisions or participates in them or their actions should be investigated, charged if warranted and tried.

I am not as immersed in this matter as you are so I cannot make the specific, absolute statements that you make. So fucking STOP slandering me by putting words in my mouth or accusing me of promoting genocide because I won't suck up and say mmmmm to the hateful jizz you spew and the Xitter war porn you jack off to.

So stop accusing me of advocating or promoting genocide you fucking radicalized asshole.

Ok, thank you for finally coming out and saying that you agree that Israel is committing genocide.
I'll stop accusing you of advocating or promoting genocide with the understanding that you will also stop accusing me of promoting terrorism or being a 'fucking radicalized asshole'.

Fair?

 

[SchlongConery]

The entire point of protesting is to raise a stink so people discuss the issue.

Every single protest uses the same concept, whether its for climate change, ant vaxxers/convoy people, anti Mike Harris amalgamation or Palestine.
Arguing that its inconvenient and it makes you mad is exactly why its done.
Its why you're still here discussing this and why you've posted on Palestine for the first time in a month or two.

The protest worked.

And while I really like you and your posts generally I don't believe for a second you were going to go to Pride but decided not to because you thought this might happen. Nobody knew. The parade was shut down very close to the end and the issue is supported by the vast majority of the LGBTQ crowd.

Your reaction to the protest is entirely based on your very clear views that you don't support Palestinian rights, you don't support their rights in what should be Palestine, you don't support their right to resist an illegal occupation and you think Israel is in the right to commit genocide to continue taking more of their land. This statement will piss you off and you'll say 'fuck off' again, but look at your posts and show me wrong.

I'd really love to be wrong on this, I'd love that you were not supporting genocide and the ongoing colonization of Palestine and that you are not totally pissed that people in Toronto are protesting genocide.
But I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong here.

Again, why is it wrong for Putin to invade Ukraine but its ok for Palestine to be invaded and occupied?
Why do you think its wrong to back the calls by the UN, the ICC, the ICJ, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, UNICEF, MSF and others?

I already replied to your accusations that I am promoting genocide. And frankly, Frankie, I don't give a flying fuck what you believe what I was going to, or not going to do. It's an anonymous sex board and I can be open with my thoughts such that I don't need to lie. Nothing I can do or say will convince you otherwise because UNLESS someone absolutely supports your absolute position, you label them as supporting genocide. I have told you many times that I DON"T KNOW ENOUGH TO MAKE ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS ON THIS MATTER LIKE YOU DO!

BTW, when did you stop blowing dead bears?

 

[SchlongConery]

Ok, thank you for finally coming out and saying that you agree that Israel is committing genocide.
I'll stop accusing you of advocating or promoting genocide with the understanding that you will also stop accusing me of promoting terrorism or being a 'fucking radicalized asshole'.

Fair?

I never accused you of promoting terrorism.

But you have become a radicalized asshole. Even if you are well meaning and for a good cause. So you lose relevance to many. Including me.

 

[whynot888]

But you have become a radicalized asshole. Even if you are well meaning and for a good cause. So you lose relevance to many. Including me.

Dude thinks he is some sort of cult leader trying to persuade fellow terbites to drink his juice. What he doesn't understand is he's pissing a whole lot more than anything.

 

[roddermac]

Interesting argument. Because gay people are international and do not have a national cuisine that is purveyed in casual dining spots, they cannot have a culture. I'll bear that pearl of wisdom in mind.

Do you even know what culture is.

 

[Frankfooter]

I never accused you of promoting terrorism.

But you have become a radicalized asshole. Even if you are well meaning and for a good cause. So you lose relevance to many. Including me.

So the 'fuck you' followed by listing the criminal code entries for 'terrorism' was just you posting about protesters?
Look, I've got friends who this issue is very important to, the same way you get really pissed at those backing Putin attacking Ukraine.

As far as I'm concerned we are both arguing against the same crap happening in different countries and I've just been disappointed you can't understand it on those terms.

While Ukraine seems to be stuck in some kind of stalemate this one went down the shitter and keeps getting stinkier and stinkier.
If its radicalized to you to protest for it to stop and the law to be brought in, so be it.
Its genocide, if you're not protesting that what are you protesting?

 

[richaceg]

What everyone forget here is that Franky is a hamas sympathizer, not just palestinians sympathizer.....nonmatter how uou explain to him that Palestinians are victims juatblike massacred Israelis are victims...he will still claim that October 7 has to happen...him and the few idiots in the Gaza thread defends hamas but couldn't justify it...then just calls everyone genocidal maniacs....

 

[mandrill]

Do you even know what culture is.

It's obviously giving families a 10% Sunday discount on the souvlaki salad special with complimentary pita bread and baklava, right?

 

[Frankfooter]

What everyone forget here is that Franky is a hamas sympathizer, not just palestinians sympathizer.....nonmatter how uou explain to him that Palestinians are victims juatblike massacred Israelis are victims...he will still claim that October 7 has to happen...him and the few idiots in the Gaza thread defends hamas but couldn't justify it...then just calls everyone genocidal maniacs....

No rich, once the genocide is ended investigations should happen on Hamas and Israel.
Charge them on both sides.

What you forget is that you are a genocide sympathizer, you ignore international and human rights to defend an illegal occupation and colonial movement that has grown from stealing land to genocide and continue to try to blame the victims of the occupation for resisting the occupation.

If you want peace, end the occupation of Palestine.

 

[Butler1000]

Guys, just don't engage with Frankie. He won't stop. He Will just continue to say stupid shit and waste your time ad nauseum. I stopped years ago and it feels a whole lot better.

 

[Skoob]

You're squirming again, skoob.
You're more offended by nudity at Pride than you are about genocide.

That says a lot about you.

Lol! So is that your go-to argument any time you are stuck in the shit-bowl of your own hypocrisy? ie just accuse someone of something like supporting genocide, calling them a racist, blah blah etc?

Just a reminder that no one takes you seriously. You're here for our entertainment and you deliver every time. You're a legend and a product of your own dysfunction.

Personally, I'm not sure why so many here have you on ignore...they are missing out on the entertainment value you provide. (or maybe they just got bored of you stale tactics)