Why Do We Let Israel And Ukraine Wag The US Dog?

[bver_hunter]

Yes, just like many people spoke out against George Bush in the Iraq War .
He was the one who invaded a sovereign country. And way back in the era of
Johnson and Nixon many people took to the streets to protest against the
Vietnam war.

In the same anti-war spirit we could give moral support to Ukraine
and send them humanitarian aid. Finding a way to bring on ceasefire
with diplomatic means is also an alternative to cheering (and financing)
Zelensky and Ukraine to fight to the bitter end.



Ukraine war will leave Russia too destitute to escalate the war into Europe.
Even before the war Russia was economically a weak country by the standard
of European nations. Putin is a bad man but not a lunatic. He would understand
he stands little chance to win a war against NATO which could bring him down
back home.

If Putin admits that he mad e a mistake and withdraws totally out of the occupied Ukraine territory then I'm sure that Zelenskyy would agree to a ceasefire.
However, Putin is not willing to concede any of the Ukraine territory. The quicker that the Russian citizens start to oppose Putin's war, then the more likely that it a better outcome will prevail.
But Putin's ego is all about trying to restore what was once the Soviet Union, and hence Ukraine was the first hurdle that has not gone too smoothly as Putin's promise to occupy the whole of Ukraine in around two weeks!!

 

[bver_hunter]

No, Ukraine broke the agreement that they would not join NATO and have NATO troops on the Ukraine/Russian border.

Ukraine started the conflict and it was completely unnecessary. Russia is protecting and defending itself, whether you agree with their form of governance or not.

What "Agreement" are you you talking about? Ukraine want to join NATO, but it has not been approved by NATO. Ukraine have nothing to do with the NATO troops stationed in Poland, as Poland is a NATO member!! The culprit is definitely and 100% Russia. Ukraine has not occupied any Russian territory, but it is the Russia that has been arming the Russian Separatists who were conducting acts of terrorism in Ukraine including the downing of the Malaysia Airlines resulting in the deaths of all passengers and crew aboard that aircraft!!

Malaysia Airlines flight 17 | Background, Crash, Investigation, & Facts | Britannica

Malaysia Airlines flight 17 crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014. All 298 people on board, most of whom were citizens of the Netherlands, died in the crash. A Dutch inquiry determined that the aircraft was shot down by a Russian-made surface-to-air missile.

www.britannica.com

 

[bver_hunter]

Israel launched 12000+ airstrikes against thousands of targets, and only 12000 dead, that's like 1 death per bomb, that's nothing...only 1 out of 180 Palestine was killed, give these Gazans another 10 years, their population will reach 3 million.

If anything, Israel should receive Nobel peace price for dropping fliers telling people to flee.

So using your logic, then just 10% of Israelis were killed by Hamas as compared to the deaths of Palestinians by the Israeli army. Is that then considered to be even less than "Nothing"?

More like the Piss Prize for Netanyahu's brutal bombing that can be referred to as a genocide in Gaza. We have seen the illegal occupation of Palestinian land that has been encroached on by the Israelis in recent times under Netanyahu. He just encourages them to grab as much as they can get their hands on!!

 

[Paprika]

So using your logic, then just 10% of Israelis were killed by Hamas as compared to the deaths of Palestinians by the Israeli army. Is that then considered to be even less than "Nothing"?

More like the Piss Prize for Netanyahu's brutal bombing that can be referred to as a genocide in Gaza. We have seen the illegal occupation of Palestinian land that has been encroached on by the Israelis in recent times under Netanyahu. He just encourages them to grab as much as they can get their hands on!!

It's not nothing. It's murder of civilians by terrorists. It's really naive to believe something like "you kill one of mine, I kill one of yours then we're even", when reality is "you kill one of mine, I kill all of you and you'll never harm my family ever again".

I think the word "illegal" has been misused, Muslims lost the war in 1948, and Israel gained control of the land fair and square, if Muslims have the power, they can take it back whenever they feel like. It's like those aboriginals crying about "they stole our land", are you gonna blame the Europeans' "illegal" occupation of native land, or should you blame your own dumb ass ancestors who was still living in stone age at the time?

As for Netanyahu's settler policy, I think it's a great for Israelis, dismantling the Jewish settlements and pulling out of Gaza in 2005 was a big mistake. Look how many rockets they fired at Israel since?

 

[bver_hunter]

It's not nothing. It's murder of civilians by terrorists. It's really naive to believe something like "you kill one of mine, I kill one of yours then we're even", when reality is "you kill one of mine, I kill all of you and you'll never harm my family ever again".

I think the word "illegal" has been misused, Muslims lost the war in 1948, and Israel gained control of the land fair and square, if Muslims have the power, they can take it back whenever they feel like. It's like those aboriginals crying about "they stole our land", are you gonna blame the Europeans' "illegal" occupation of native land, or should you blame your own dumb ass ancestors who was still living in stone age at the time?

As for Netanyahu's settler policy, I think it's a great for Israelis, dismantling the Jewish settlements and pulling out of Gaza in 2005 was a big mistake. Look how many rockets they fired at Israel since?

Those settlements are illegal according to The Human Rights council. No doubt that Israel violated the Oslo I and Oslo II Accords in this respect. These accords were signed in the 1990ties where the Palestinians were supposed to govern themselves. However, Israel still controls the flow of goods etc into those West Bank and Gaza!! Now the number of settlers in these illegally occupied Palestinian territories have been growing to around 700,000. Maybe your dumbass ancestors think that they had the rights to illegally takeover and destroy any properties that were already legally occupied by their owners. Look at Israelis's response in the destruction of infrastructure and killings of over 11,000 civilians causing a humanitarian crisis in that region. Netanyahu is to blame solely for his overblown retaliation against innocent women and children!!

human-rights-council-hears-that-700000-israeli-settlers-are-living-illegally-in-the-occupied-west-bank-meeting-summary-excerpts

 

[bver_hunter]

Palestinians in the West Bank say Israeli settlers attack them, seize their land amid the war with Hamas

Palestinians in the West Bank say Israeli settlers attack them, seize their land amid the war with Hamas

Israelis in West Bank settlements considered illegal under international law are seizing Palestinian homes by force, residents tell CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Paprika]

Divide and conquer, international law is a joke anyway.

 

[oil&gas]

Guess how the Yom Kippur War would have ended without
America's airlift of military supplies to Israel?

If the U.S. is the dog of Ukraine like it is of Israel Zelensky
might have won the war with Putin already.

 

[wigglee]

Israel launched 12000+ airstrikes against thousands of targets, and only 12000 dead, that's like 1 death per bomb, that's nothing...only 1 out of 180 Palestine was killed, give these Gazans another 10 years, their population will reach 3 million.

If anything, Israel should receive Nobel peace price for dropping fliers telling people to flee.

Killing 5000 children is nothing?

 

[Frankfooter]

As for Netanyahu's settler policy, I think it's a great for Israelis, dismantling the Jewish settlements and pulling out of Gaza in 2005 was a big mistake. Look how many rockets they fired at Israel since?

You think Jews are safer now?

Erdogan has labelled Israel a 'terrorist' state.
By the Israeli logic that means Israelis are now terrorists and all legit targets.

Its time for a ceasefire.
Decolonize
End apartheid
Give Palestinians full citizenship, full rights, including the vote

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725112838233141608

 

[Paprika]

You think Jews are safer now?

Erdogan has labelled Israel a 'terrorist' state.
By the Israeli logic that means Israelis are now terrorists and all legit targets.

Its time for a ceasefire.
Decolonize
End apartheid
Give Palestinians full citizenship, full rights, including the vote

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725112838233141608

Erdogan is shitbag who believes that low interest rate would somehow cap inflation so Turkey had like 70% inflation last year. Manage your own economy first before pointing finger at anyone. Is he so delusional that he thinks he's the sultan of the Ottoman Empire?

Why should Israel offer Palestinians anything, when they want their own state?

 

[bver_hunter]

Erdogan is shitbag who believes that low interest rate would somehow cap inflation so Turkey had like 70% inflation last year. Manage your own economy first before pointing finger at anyone. Is he so delusional that he thinks he's the sultan of the Ottoman Empire?

Why should Israel offer Palestinians anything, when they want their own state?

Are you not aware that Israel controls everything including the flow of goods to Palestine, the Power grids, Wireless Internet, Water Supplies and the Palestinians are not even allowed to build their own infrastructure with respect to the water supplies and electric grids that were damaged by the Israelis earlier this century!!

https://www.btselem.org/water

 

[Frankfooter]

Erdogan is shitbag who believes that low interest rate would somehow cap inflation so Turkey had like 70% inflation last year. Manage your own economy first before pointing finger at anyone. Is he so delusional that he thinks he's the sultan of the Ottoman Empire?

Why should Israel offer Palestinians anything, when they want their own state?

You're also incredibly foolish if you don't see what this means when Turkey calls you terrorists.
Israel has to either give Palestine back or give Palestinians full citizenship, including the vote.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725928214814494885

 

[basketcase]

I'm so amazed that conspiracy minds will continue to claim that the US is being manipulated by outside influences (the fact that it's a Jewish majority country and one with a Jewish President is no surprise).

I know Trump and his massive ego was easy to play but the US government does things only because they think those actions will benefit them. Anything else is just conspiracy talk from people with an axe to grind.

 

[basketcase]

You're also incredibly foolish if you don't see what this means when Turkey calls you terrorists.
...

When it comes to Jews, you say you post so religiously because of occupation and say that terrorism is just a term used simply to dehumanize but you obviously have no issue when it comes to Turkey's occupation of Northern Cyprus and subjugation of ethnic Greeks there or their using claims of terrorism to persecute Kurds.

 

[Frankfooter]

When it comes to Jews, you say you post so religiously because of occupation and say that terrorism is just a term used simply to dehumanize but you obviously have no issue when it comes to Turkey's occupation of Northern Cyprus and subjugation of ethnic Greeks there or their using claims of terrorism to persecute Kurds.

Wait, now you're admitting occupations are wrong?
What next, you'll support Ukraine's war against Russian occupation?

Next you'll stop calling IfNotNow and B'tselem 'self hating' Jews.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726368923161895112