Why Do We Let Israel And Ukraine Wag The US Dog?

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DAVID C. HENDRICKSON
NOV 08, 2023

The alliance system of the United States is frequently called an empire, and for good reason. But it is a peculiar form of empire, in which the metropolitan center seems directed and ruled by the periphery. In the classic idea of empire, rule flowed from the top down. Not in this one.

This inversion is nowhere more evident than in the relationship between the United States and Israel. Biden responded to the October 7 attacks by giving Israel total support for its aim of destroying Hamas. The same pattern is apparent in policy toward Ukraine. For 18 months, the Biden administration did not dare to set limits on Ukraine’s war aims, though these anticipated, absurdly, total victory over Russia, with Vladimir Putin in the dock at the end.

These certitudes, however, have begun to shake. Within the administration, there seems to have been a great awakening over the last few weeks that neither course is sustainable. The gist of recent reporting is as follows: the Ukrainians are losing the war and have to acknowledge that fact, better now than later. The Israelis are behaving barbarically and have got to be reined in, else our reputation in the world is ruined.

On the Ukraine front, there were two bombshells. One was an NBC story that painted a dire picture of the military situation and reported that U.S. and European diplomats were telling Ukraine of the need to restrict its aims. It’s too late in the day to hope for anything other than a stalemate, said one former administration official: “it’s time to do a deal.”

The other was a long essay in Time that characterized Zelensky as a messianic and fanatical figure, out of touch with Ukraine’s worsening prospects. Corruption is even worse than alleged. The West is scraping the bottom of the barrel for key military items. Ukraine’s military can’t find new recruits. More appropriations from Congress, even the $61 billion requested by the administration, can solve none of these problems.

For 18 months, the Biden administration insisted that Ukraine’s aims were wholly its own to determine and that the United States would support them regardless. With Ukraine’s summer offensive having met with almost total failure, the administration appears to be getting cold feet. This is all very hush-hush, with “quiet” discussions reputedly going on behind the scenes. It’s probable, indeed, that Biden’s advisers are divided. Though official policy hasn’t changed a whit, the impetus to do so is clearly there.

The bind over Israel is yet more acute. According to widespread reports, Biden and his advisers believe that Israel is embarked on a mad project in Gaza. They see that the United States — having given Israel a green light, a blank check, and tons of bombs — will be held directly responsible for the awful humanitarian consequences. They don’t think Israel has defined a coherent endgame. They fear they are presiding over a moral enormity. They see a precipitous collapse in support from others.

Over the past month, Biden has warned the Israelis not to act out of anger and vengeance in retaliation for October 7, advised against a ground invasion of Gaza, and insisted that Israel seek to avoid civilian deaths as much as possible. Use smaller bombs, say Biden’s military advisers. Eroding support, his administration told the Israelis, “will have dire strategic consequences for Israel Defense Forces operations against Hamas.” Last weekend, Secretary of State Antony Blinken went to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu with these ideas and with a request for a “humanitarian pause.” Bibi’s response: ain’t gonna happen.

I have an idea. The United States could threaten to suspend military shipments to Israel if it failed to agree to a ceasefire. That might make an impression. Defying Israel, however, is something that no president since George H.W. Bush has been willing to do. The U.S. approach over the last 30 years, as now, has been in the voice of a steadfast friend: “This is really for your own good, but we wouldn’t dare demand it of you.”

Hug the Israelis tight and reassure them endlessly of your undying commitment; that was the way to win an argument with them.

There have been some Israeli leaders who responded to this approach, but Benjamin Netanyahu was never one of them. Bill Clinton’s comment after first meeting with Netanyahu in 1996 — “Who’s the fucking superpower here? — reflects Bibi’s considered judgment that he can call forth domestic opposition in the United States that will nullify any threat from a U.S. president.

Today, 66% of Americans want a ceasefire, according to one poll, but less than five percent of the House of Representatives does, so maybe Bibi knows whereof he speaks. AIPAC is busy with attack ads against the few brave congresspeople who have criticized Israel and called for a ceasefire.

But Biden has to worry about America’s larger role in the world and is alive to the likelihood that what is coming in Gaza will wreck America’s legitimacy. Who in the non-West could ever bear again a lecture from the United States on its zealous commitment to human rights? What would this do to America’s case against Russia?

On present trends — no exit to the Sinai for the mass of Gaza’s population, the complete collapse of the health and sanitation systems, relentless Israeli military pressure and economic blockade, 1.5 million already displaced — it is difficult to see how the total casualty count among Gazans avoids numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Probably many more will die from disease and epidemics than from bullets and bombs. The experience, as Netanyahu has said, will be remembered “for decades to come.” What if it registers in world public opinion as an historic crime?

Incredibly, advocates of total war against Hamas invoke Dresden, Hiroshima, and other atrocities to justify their course, neglecting that neither Germany nor Japan had anyone to weep for them after the war, whereas Palestinians have 1.8 billion Muslims to weep over them today.

The obvious fact is that Israel cannot pursue to the end its aim of destroying Hamas without causing death on a biblical scale. There is no reason whatsoever for the United States to embrace these aims.

Biden’s choice is to get tough with the Israelis or to go along with what he fears is going to be a gigantic catastrophe.

There are precedents for getting tough, but they are admittedly distant ones. Dwight Eisenhower did it in 1956 over the Anglo-French-Israeli Suez adventure. Bush I did it in 1991 over loan guarantees to Israel.

But the most resonant example is 1982, when Ronald Reagan told Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin to cease Israeli’s bombardment of Beirut. “Menachem,” Reagan said, “this is a holocaust.” To Reagan’s surprise, his threat of an agonizing reappraisal worked. “I didn’t know I had that kind of power,” he told his aide Mike Deaver. At the time of Reagan’s threat, the death toll from two and a half months of war approached 20,000, of which nearly half were civilians.

Can Biden summon the will to confront Netanyahu? Will his administration force Ukraine to the bargaining table?

In our weird empire, where dependents call the shots, deeply embedded tendencies dictate a negative answer to both questions, though wise policy would dictate positive ones. Perhaps the time is ripe for a new policy in which America consults its own national interests rather than theirs.

 
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Not wagging the dog at all. Fighting evil on their turf so the us doesn’t eventually have to fight it itsel on it own.
 
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First they came for the Afghans, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not an Afghan.

Then they came for the Ukrainians, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Ukrainian.

Then they came for the Israelis, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Israeli.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 

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I think it is fine speaking out against Putin. He is
the bad guy in the Ukraine war. I am also fine with
speaking out against Hamas. I just wish our leaders
would exercise restraint in throwing our money into
conflicts half the world away .

First they came for the Afghans, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not an Afghan.

Then they came for the Ukrainians, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Ukrainian.

Then they came for the Israelis, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Israeli.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 

Paprika

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I think it is fine speaking out against Putin. He is
the bad guy in the Ukraine war. I am also fine with
speaking out against Hamas. I just wish our leaders
would exercise restraint in throwing our money into
conflicts half the world away .
Thing is how do you fight a war without money? The strategy US is employing is just to drag it on until Russia economy collapses.
 

shack

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There are no altruistic motives towards Israel and the Ukraine for the US. They are looking out for what is best for their interests.

It is nothing more and nothing less. It is simply that simplest answer.
 
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Frankfooter

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First they came for the Afghans, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not an Afghan.

Then they came for the Ukrainians, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Ukrainian.

Then they came for the Israelis, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Israeli.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Two of those were occupied by foreign powers, one is a foreign power occupying another state.
 

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I think it is fine speaking out against Putin. He is
the bad guy in the Ukraine war. I am also fine with
speaking out against Hamas. I just wish our leaders
would exercise restraint in throwing our money into
conflicts half the world away .
Yes, we have to speak out against Putin. He was the one that invaded Ukraine on the basis of his warped pre-invasion history lesson. If Ukraine was fully defeated then his next target would be Poland and other surrounding Nations, as they are a so called "potential threat" to Russia. Hence every reason to support Ukraine, to defend themselves!!

Now Hamas did carry out those disgusting killings of around 1200 Israelis and foreign citizens including taking those 200 or so hostages. Their actions were rightfully denounced by all Governments. But Israel should also take the blame for around 11,000 or so killings of Palestinians. No wonder that more and more leaders around the world want a ceasefire. There should be a pause on providing more money to Israel that goes towards more offensive weapons that are causing rash destruction to lives and infrastructure in Gaza as well as more recently in the West Bank. No doubt that Israel should have the ability to defend itself from missile strikes from both Hamas and now Hezbollah. But sooner rather than later a two State Solution should be implemented for the Israelis and Palestinians to rule their own neck of the woods in Peace!!
 

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But Israel should also take the blame for around 11,000 or so killings of Palestinians. No wonder that more and more leaders around the world want a ceasefire.
Israel launched 12000+ airstrikes against thousands of targets, and only 12000 dead, that's like 1 death per bomb, that's nothing...only 1 out of 180 Palestine was killed, give these Gazans another 10 years, their population will reach 3 million.

If anything, Israel should receive Nobel peace price for dropping fliers telling people to flee.
 
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Yes, we have to speak out against Putin. He was the one that invaded Ukraine on the
Yes, just like many people spoke out against George Bush in the Iraq War .
He was the one who invaded a sovereign country. And way back in the era of
Johnson and Nixon many people took to the streets to protest against the
Vietnam war.

In the same anti-war spirit we could give moral support to Ukraine
and send them humanitarian aid. Finding a way to bring on ceasefire
with diplomatic means is also an alternative to cheering (and financing)
Zelensky and Ukraine to fight to the bitter end.

basis of his warped pre-invasion history lesson. If Ukraine was fully defeated then his next target would be Poland and other surrounding Nations, as they are a so called "potential threat" to Russia. Hence every reason to support Ukraine, to defend themselves!!........................
Ukraine war will leave Russia too destitute to escalate the war into Europe.
Even before the war Russia was economically a weak country by the standard
of European nations. Putin is a bad man but not a lunatic. He would understand
he stands little chance to win a war against NATO which could bring him down
back home.
 

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Yes, just like many people spoke out against George Bush in the Iraq War .
He was the one who invaded a sovereign country. And way back in the era of
Johnson and Nixon many people took to the streets to protest against the
Vietnam war.

In the same anti-war spirit we could give moral support to Ukraine
and send them humanitarian aid. Finding a way to bring on ceasefire
with diplomatic means is also an alternative to cheering (and financing)
Zelensky and Ukraine to fight to the bitter end.



Ukraine war will leave Russia too destitute to escalate the war into Europe.
Even before the war Russia was economically a weak country by the standard
of European nations. Putin is a bad man but not a lunatic. He would understand
he stands little chance to win a war against NATO which could bring him down
back home.
Russia was one of very few countries that aren't in debt maybe the only one
 

Frankfooter

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What does that have to do with OPs question about how the U.S. makes its' choices?
What does that have to do with my answer that the US is looking after its' own interests?

That guy is a looney radical, a Fringie.
That guy is no different from you, as far as I can tell, shack.
And no difference from the other Israelis trying to influence US policy.

Like this.
Top Israeli official has a warning for US universities

Nir Barkat, minister of industry and economy, says that unless US universities ban all Palestine protests universities will lose donors.
“You’re going to see many funders of Ivy League and other universities shy away from that behavior,” he said.

Barkat argued that schools that failed to fight antisemitism are “going to be paying a heavy price for that.”


Basketcase will argue that's a trope, but Barkat is arguing that US universities must do the bidding of the Israeli government or they will lose funding.
That's a foreign, war criminal government trying to control US universities.

That's fucked up.
 

dirtyharry555

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Yes, we have to speak out against Putin. He was the one that invaded Ukraine on the basis of his warped pre-invasion history lesson. If Ukraine was fully defeated then his next target would be Poland and other surrounding Nations, as they are a so called "potential threat" to Russia. Hence every reason to support Ukraine, to defend themselves!!
No, Ukraine broke the agreement that they would not join NATO and have NATO troops on the Ukraine/Russian border.

Ukraine started the conflict and it was completely unnecessary. Russia is protecting and defending itself, whether you agree with their form of governance or not.
 
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