Why aren´t most dancers open for business?

[solitaria]

...I'm amazed too. You are so charming.

Thanks I try if it doesn´t involve any major effort on my part.

The reason the really hot girls don't fuck you is because they can do better. Be it for pay or not, because they are really hot, they can wait for someone who either a) has more money, or b) isn't such a prick.

You are absolutely deluding yourself if you think sex for money is about charm or that you get things that the majority of other people don´t based on the level of attraction that a girl has towards you. Strippers and sex industry workers aren´t truly interested in developing feelings towards johns but will pretend to in order to gut a sucker of his money.

oh...wait...you assumed that because they wouldn't fuck YOU they wouldn't fuck anybody else, didn't you.....LOL!!

You really do tie your image of self-worth to whom you fuck and your own perceived level of attraction don´t you?

 

[PHNINE]

Because she is serving me hot coffee.

LMAO!!!!

 

[RTRD]

Ah yes...

You are absolutely deluding yourself if you think sex for money is about charm or that you get things that the majority of other people don´t based on the level of attraction that a girl has towards you. Strippers and sex industry workers aren´t truly interested in developing feelings towards johns but will pretend to in order to gut a sucker of his money.



You really do tie your image of self-worth to whom you fuck and your own perceived level of attraction don´t you?

...with youth comes both arrogance and stupidity...

"You are absolutely deluding yourself if you think sex for money is about charm or that you get things that the majority of other people don´t based on the level of attraction that a girl has towards you. Strippers and sex industry workers aren´t truly interested in developing feelings towards johns but will pretend to in order to gut a sucker of his money. "

Didn't say that. Obviously your money is as "green" as anyone else’s....but they STILL choose to not fuck you because they can.

If a gal wanted to be an escort - she would be. Or do you think dancers don't know that the escorting business exists?

Dancers fuck guys they meet in the SCs all the time. Not necessarily every dancer fucks every guy, but like you, I am confident that most have at some point. So why not you? You either a) didn't offer enough money, or b) weren't someone they wanted to fuck, even for money. This doesn't have shit to do with 'feelings' kid - it has to do with what a arrogant sanctimonious prick you probably come across as. Why fuck you when the guy sitting at the next table as just as much or more money, and isn't so condescending and convinced that she is going to do the dew just because he asked and waved money under her nose?

In other words - pay attention here - at the level you are talking about it isn't just "sex for money" because 12 other mother fuckers just like you will come in there that night with the same offer. Thus, it is back to "who do I choose to fuck today?"

Get that?

Of course not - because you think just because a girl doesn't want to fuck you she must be "fight(ing) with feelings of inadequacy and self-worth". Just never occurred to you that you just don't quite measure up...

"You really do tie your image of self-worth to whom you fuck and your own perceived level of attraction don´t you?"

No, not really - I've out grown the "my girl is hotter than yours" thing. My hang up now is tying my image of self worth to the size of my paycheck. My wife is the only woman I fuck, and while not a bad looking woman, at age 43 she is somewhat past her "stripper" years.

However, it does give me some smug satisfaction in knowing that I have had the very same strippers you are here wondering about ask me if we could go out some time because they find me "different" some how. Well - maybe not the very same ones, but you get the idea...

Mostly though I am just tickled that for all your intellect you don't understand something so fundamental to how women think and feel.

This would explain all of your success with the fairer sex though....

 

[solitaria]

Didn't say that. Obviously your money is as "green" as anyone else’s....but they STILL choose to not fuck you because they can.

We all choose not to do things because we can. Otherwise we´d be doing them. Thanks for that gem though.

If a gal wanted to be an escort - she would be. Or do you think dancers don't know that the escorting business exists?

The choice to be an escort or a dancer isn´t necessarily based on the decision to have sex for money or not but I am sure many times it is a basis.

Dancers fuck guys they meet in the SCs all the time. Not necessarily every dancer fucks every guy, but like you, I am confident that most have at some point.

You are contradicting yourself. Why wouldn´t she be an escort then according to your line of reasoning above?

So why not you? You either a) didn't offer enough money, or b) weren't someone they wanted to fuck, even for money.
...

My wife is the only woman I fuck,

I would say for most it is none of the above but I am kind of curious about how the fuck you´d know so much about offering strippers money for sex if your wife is the only woman you fuck. It is either a) you don´t know what the fuck you are talking about but just like to pretend that you do in order to feel superior to others or b) you are so desperate for confirmation that you would ask even if you have no inclination to purchase the service that you are requesting. I´m thinking a) but either way you somewhat lack credibility.

This doesn't have shit to do with 'feelings' kid - it has to do with what a arrogant sanctimonious prick you probably come across as.

This reminds me of the saying it takes one to know one. Sure at times I can be an arrogant sanctimonious prick but being the arrogant sanctimonious prick that I am I don´t really fucking care what you think as I am sure you very well know from experience.

In other words - pay attention here - at the level you are talking about it isn't just "sex for money" because 12 other mother fuckers just like you will come in there that night with the same offer. Thus, it is back to "who do I choose to fuck today?"

Get that?

You are such a wannabe player. Get that?

PS - I´m amused but I don´t think that is quite the reaction you were going for.

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

You are absolutely deluding yourself if you think sex for money is about charm or that you get things that the majority of other people don´t based on the level of attraction that a girl has towards you. Strippers and sex industry workers aren´t truly interested in developing feelings towards johns but will pretend to in order to gut a sucker of his money.

I am most decidedly *not* interested in developing real-life feelings towards clients, aside from good-natured sex-pal stuff...but it sure the hell doesn't mean I'm butt-stupid enough to toss out out charm or attraction as determinents of whose money I'm interested in taking.

When you're actually doing the job, then you'll have the chops to tell others how 'strippers and sex industry workers' feel about their potential clients. And you'll understand that not carefully assessing a client's potential future behaviour on the basis of his current behaviour has a direct bearing on your safety. Believe it or not, we're not all plotting to 'gut the suckers' without an understanding of how a charmless and unattractive sucker may react to being burned...but thanks for the cliche

 

[solitaria]

I am most decidedly *not* interested in developing real-life feelings towards clients, aside from good-natured sex-pal stuff...but it sure the hell doesn't mean I'm butt-stupid enough to toss out out charm or attraction as determinents of whose money I'm interested in taking.

Yeah but you are a pretty sure thing for most guys. I am not old but have seen about 40 different escorts and none have turned me down and I suspect that is the case for most guys. I would bet my life that you wouldn´t turn me down as a client but a dancer with a similar level of looks wouldn´t be such the sure thing. Should I assume dancers have such a higher standard for looks and charm to be bedded than you do or is it based on something else? I suspect it is based on something else in the majority of cases.

Believe it or not, we're not all plotting to 'gut the suckers' without an understanding of how a charmless and unattractive sucker may react to being burned...but thanks for the cliche

So the implication is that charm and attractiveness isn´t an overriding factor even if that doesn´t sit well with your ego since the corollary is that you´d gut a sucker that was charmless and unattractive providing that you thought he was harmless. I assume that means at some point you´d be having sex with him.

 

[reg]

Because she is serving me hot coffee.

Obviously since it is inappropriate. I don´t think asking a dancer for sex is inappropriate when she has already approached me trying to sell a sexual service. After that it is just degrees.

What they are selling is fantasy and that is not necessarily the same thing as selling sex.

 

[ersa3]

Interesting thread. As I have been an entertainer myself in the sex industry (nice way to say that I was a stripper), I remember some of the girls being frowned upon and even being threatened because they were a little 'too close' to some customers. Sleeping with a customer was not seen as being 'proper' and was completely out of line. In the change room I have seen girls fighting, pulling each others' hair, literally... It is as if those two 'worlds' - if you will - were seperate. It was better for a dancer not to cross the line in any way... Perhaps it depends on the clubs and their respective unwritten rules.

 

[Speedo]

What they are selling is fantasy and that is not necessarily the same thing as selling sex.

Bingo! Give that man a seegar!!

Just as Archie Graham turns back into an old doctor when he crosses the foul line, the fantasy world disappears when we exit the SC doors and head to our vehicles...

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

Yeah but you are a pretty sure thing for most guys.

Wrong. I'm damn selective. If you're an annoying asshole, I value the hour of my life that I'll never get back waaaaay more than your sticky $250.

...you´d gut a sucker that was charmless and unattractive providing that you thought he was harmless. I assume that means at some point you´d be having sex with him.

Wrong. I don't gut people, period, and - call me crazy - I avoid having sex, paid or otherwise, with people I don't like, thanks. Think about it...not only do all kinds of people want to have sex with me, all kinds of people want to pay for my company. How stupid would I have to be to choose the subset that I found charmless and repulsive?

Incidently? Being cynical doesn't increase intelligence or perceptiveness, but it sure makes you think it does. Eventually everyone gets decades to think about how many years they spent coming off like a serious fucking tool. Bummer.

 

[solitaria]

Wrong. I'm damn selective. If you're an annoying asshole, I value the hour of my life that I'll never get back waaaaay more than your sticky $250.

You are letting your ego and emotions cloud your intellect. You are not ¨damn selective¨ to anyone that doesn´t use that term extremely liberally; I have an infinitely better chance of bedding you than a regular girl on the street with the same level of looks. This doesn´t mean that you have less value as a person (at least to me but perhaps not to yourself but that is your own fault not mine since you are obviously intelligent such that you should be able to deconstruct the false premises society judges others by and that we are constantly exposed to from birth) since you would be more far more willing to fuck me for money but I suspect that is the reason you are telling me how ¨damn selective¨ you are as an escort.

Really though it is missing the point. I understand the fact that you think I am an annoying asshole but that kind of makes my point. In spite of the fact that I am charmless (at least to you but don´t worry I won´t hold it against you) that has had no bearing on whether or not escorts that would accept money for sex have given to fucking me for my money since all of the about 40 escorts I have gone to see have not turned me away at the door. I am pretty confident that the issue is neither my looks or my charm for that reason and many others outside the sex industry and you will just have to accept what I say at face value as truth. Sex for money and whether or not it will happen is about the value one places on taking sex for money; looks and charms hardly enter the picture for the majority of cases since the money is the overriding compensating factor.

Think about it...not only do all kinds of people want to have sex with me, all kinds of people want to pay for my company. How stupid would I have to be to choose the subset that I found charmless and repulsive?

I have thought about it but I think you are like most people who base their self-worth on who they fuck and date no matter how tenious their rationalizations need to be.

Most guys on Terb don´t have any trouble getting laid so I submit that as my proof and even if you are soooooooo different than most escorts here on Terb (but I am guessing that you aren´t really but just want to feel superior as is human nature) than you don´t really have a point in stating yourself as example if you are soooooo clearly an exception to the general rule.

Incidently? Being cynical doesn't increase intelligence or perceptiveness, but it sure makes you think it does.

You are confusing cause and effect. Being intelligent increases the chances you are cynical and perceptive.

Eventually everyone gets decades to think about how many years they spent coming off like a serious fucking tool. Bummer.

No offense but aren´t you the serious fucking tool to think it should matter to my self-perception what others think of me especially many years from now and on an escort board no less?

 

[solitaria]

Bingo! Give that man a seegar!!

Just as Archie Graham turns back into an old doctor when he crosses the foul line, the fantasy world disappears when we exit the SC doors and head to our vehicles...

This isn´t about believing a fantasy is real it is about wanting a fantasy to come true and where the fantasy occurs is irrelevant.

Of course there is a difference between offering a sexual service and offering sex even though in some cases the two aren´t mutually exclusive. The point I was making in the quote that was referenced back to me was that it is not inappropriate to ask if that sexual fantasy could include sex especially when a) I was propositioned first to pay money for a (sexual) fantasy b) it happens all the time to some degree or another in all forms of relationships and c) the strippers can always say no just like I can say no to their proposition.

 

[solitaria]

Interesting thread. As I have been an entertainer myself in the sex industry (nice way to say that I was a stripper), I remember some of the girls being frowned upon and even being threatened because they were a little 'too close' to some customers. Sleeping with a customer was not seen as being 'proper' and was completely out of line. In the change room I have seen girls fighting, pulling each others' hair, literally... It is as if those two 'worlds' - if you will - were seperate. It was better for a dancer not to cross the line in any way... Perhaps it depends on the clubs and their respective unwritten rules.

Finally a glimmer of the truth.

Why do you think it is so frowned upon by the majority of dancers? Does the club set up that type of environment based on the legal issues or the dancers who don´t want to be outhustled but want to keep the status quo as is? It is funny how some girls who think money for sex is so repugnant don´t have any problems with beating up a girl who doesn´t think the same way they do.

 

[pepsiman]

Finally a glimmer of the truth.

Why do you think it is so frowned upon by the majority of dancers? Does the club set up that type of environment based on the legal issues or the dancers who don´t want to be outhustled but want to keep the status quo as is? It is funny how some girls who think money for sex is so repugnant don´t have any problems with beating up a girl who doesn´t think the same way they do.

Just because a girl is a dancer that does not make her an escort ;I am sure someone is having sex with the said dancer :: It just isn;t you >
I spent alot of my younger life in a strip bar; and these girls are GETTING PAID to put on a show.getting paid well but still it is a job . It is not their job to service you in the booth .Or outside the bar for that matter .
A saying that I remmember was' If I go home with you what would you think of me tommorow'
I have dated many dancers but the key word is "descrete". The dancer has to deal with other girls and if the bar patrons find out she does take out then she is banned too .
As for the diffence between dancer and escort: I think the dancer has a better chance at ::CHOOSING " her date for the nite compared to an escort that I call and she has never met me .
I recently ran into a dancer in Kingston that worked in Oshawa when I worked there and she offered to spend the afternoon with me for free. so it is not ALWAYS about money. Class is another word that comes to mind if you treat a girl like a lady and not a whore you will go far

 

[anon1]

What happened to the Tool of the Month Award?
I think we have a strong candidate here.

 

[Malibook]

I was just curious as to the why from other people´s perspectives when most men see that line as negligible.

They are dancers, not escorts.

How do you know most men feel the same way about this as you do?

I would think that for most dancers the move to become a masseuse or escort is probably quite significant and hardly negligible.

Most dancers probably have no desire to moonlight as escorts and the ones who do are free to be selective.

If I was a dancer, I would be annoyed by pathetic idiots who come to the club to try to pick me up or hire me as an escort.

 

[Dorm201]

Contrary to what the original poster thinks, most women don't want to have sex with random strangers for money. Many dancers do what they do specifically so they don't have to put out. And yes, I do know some dancers, and yes I have dated a few.

 

[RTRD]

Such the intellectual....here...I'll help again...

PS - I´m amused but I don´t think that is quite the reaction you were going for.

"You are contradicting yourself. Why wouldn´t she be an escort then according to your line of reasoning above?"

Because escorts know little to nothing about their clients until they show up at the door. A dancer who does take out the other hand can determine what a stuck up wanna be intellilectual you are in person. And that you are younger than some of the shoes she has in the back of her closet.

It isn't about being too good to fuck for money - again as you rightfully concluded. It is, as I explained, about wanting to have the choice to not fuck a loser like you.

"I would say for most it is none of the above but I am kind of curious about how the fuck you´d know so much about offering strippers money for sex if your wife is the only woman you fuck. It is either a) you don´t know what the fuck you are talking about but just like to pretend that you do in order to feel superior to others or b) you are so desperate for confirmation that you would ask even if you have no inclination to purchase the service that you are requesting. I´m thinking a) but either way you somewhat lack credibility."

Of course , there could be C) I haven't been married all of my adult life. Dumb ass.

"This reminds me of the saying it takes one to know one. Sure at times I can be an arrogant sanctimonious prick but being the arrogant sanctimonious prick that I am I don´t really fucking care what you think as I am sure you very well know from experience."

True. But I'm not the guy wondering why it is women won't even fuck me for money.

"You are such a wannabe player. Get that? "

No, I'm a used to be player - the life you are apparently aspiring to, but failing miserably at...

When you are done growing up it will all be more clear...in the interim I am glad I could help...

 

[RTRD]

Why thank you sweetie...

MLAM I think I love you...

..I'm taken, but it does wonders for an old, fat wannabe...err...former player to "hear" that.

 

[Hard Idle]

.. Be it for pay or not, because they are really hot, they can wait for someone who either a) has more money, or b) isn't such a prick...

They have a choice. It is just that simple.

No matter how often you post it or how hard you try explaining it, this is a principle which most Terbites on the SC page will probably never accept or understand.