Why aren´t most dancers open for business?

[solitaria]

So I was sitting in the Brass Rail after work and I was wondering why the higher end eye candy there won’t fuck for money. I know there are countless better places to purchase sex but I was feeling lazy and it’s not the same build-up.

I’ve been to a lot of SC´s and obviously fucked some good looking dancers in and out of the club but the ratio of hit to miss isn’t that great. Usually I will only ask the strippers that are hounding me for dances since I only want to pay for sex not dances and either way they will stop bugging me. I realize the pretty ones that are hounding are only doing so because they don’t offer enough mileage in the back so my sample isn’t representative necessarily but my interest is in those girls and why they draw these arbitrary lines in the sand that they do.

To me sex is mostly a biological necessity where humans, mostly women, have built up all these false premises of love and morality around. Why can’t most people deconstruct sex this way in their mind? Is it ego, misguided morality, fear or a basic lack of intelligence in seeing things for what they really are? I realize some people will probably think that I am incapable of love or that I am an emotional vacuum with my line of reasoning but I have had girlfriends in the past that I have loved but I just don’t associate sex with love since the two things are entirely different and don’t flow from one another even though they both might cause the same endorphins in your brain to flow such that it feels as two things that transcend one another if only for a moment.

 

[Svend]

With that line of thinking, why not ask the girl serving you coffee at Timmies why she won't fuck for money?

 

[danmand]

With that line of thinking, why not ask the girl serving you coffee at Timmies why she won't fuck for money?

Might work. It is called the chinese diplomats method.

 

[Thousand]

I remember a few months ago, there was this girl in BR who were open for business. She was really hot too. With lots of expensive jewlleries, you would never thought she was the kind of girl who does take out. Anyway, at that time I wasn't interested in take out, but I negotiated with her anyway just to see what I might be able to get away with. Turns out she is willing to offer it for free on the condition that I become a regular of hers. Any kind of commitment freaks me out, so I just said no thanks!

Turns out, she wasn't doing it just for the money. I knew it from the marks she left on my crotch after the dance.

Anyway, she isn't at BR now.

 

[solitaria]

With that line of thinking, why not ask the girl serving you coffee at Timmies why she won't fuck for money?

Because she is serving me hot coffee.

Obviously since it is inappropriate. I don´t think asking a dancer for sex is inappropriate when she has already approached me trying to sell a sexual service. After that it is just degrees.

 

[oldjones]

When the Timmy's girl says, "What would you like?" Isn't that "just degrees" too?

The "biological necessity" you referred to above is really the need to procreate; there's nothing 'necessary' about fucking for fun. Those premises of "love and morality" you labelled false evolved to protect the offspring and families that ensure the necessary survival of the species. Hardly surprising that women would be enthusiastic about them, stuck with the kids for nine months plus now is it?

If you want to see the whole thing as commercial, that's fine (for you), but where's the real-world logic in propositioning the dancer—who's income potential's high—and ignoring the waitress who's getting minimum wage? To paraphrase GBS: it seems you've already decided what she is, now it's only a matter of haggling over price. You just need to work on your technique so she doesn't start chucking apple fritters at you when you offer to glaze her buns.

Strange as it may see, those dancers you complained about might just share attitudes and convictions about sex, love and morality with the Timmy's waitress. One works without clothes, the other works in a uniform, the only difference is the dancer's work environment encourages cruder come-ons and discourages indignant refusals. Working in a sex-business doesn't make you a whore. (See: The "It couldn't have been rape, your Honour, the way she was dressed…" Defence). Be careful; complaining about how few of them are "open for business" may just be saying as much about the complainer as the dancers.

 

[tboy]

Hey I wouldn't mind that, I like apple fritters.......

 

[freshbreath]

what the hell?

why don't you ask your insurance company to massage your penis, because they're already giving you peace of mind, they might as well give you peace of head

to imply that because they do one thing, they should do another is fucking incredibly degrading

 

[Malibook]

but I have had girlfriends in the past

Hard to imagine how they could let such a great catch get away.

Of course some dancers do hook on the side or even there but to think that since they are dancing they might just as well suck and fuck is ludicrous.

Next time offer them much more cash.

 

[frankcastle]

Hey shoppers sells condoms and lube ask the girl behind that counter.

Or convineance stores sell porno mags ask that girl behind that counter.

If she wanted to sell sex she probably go the escort route.

 

[solitaria]

why don't you ask your insurance company to massage your penis, because they're already giving you peace of mind, they might as well give you peace of head

We proposition people all the time to do things. Have you never been on a date? You could be best of friends with a girl but at some point you are going to want to add sex into the equation. So I guess since she is already giving you peace of mind she might as well give you peace of head too?

to imply that because they do one thing, they should do another is fucking incredibly degrading

So you never wondered at least at one point how you could get more really hot girls to fuck you and why certain things worked and others didn´t? It´s not really about thinking they should do anything or degrading them but if that is how you see it so be it.

 

[solitaria]

Hard to imagine how they could let such a great catch get away.

Do you need to be reminded that you are on an escort review board Mr. Brad Pitt?

 

[solitaria]

When the Timmy's girl says, "What would you like?" Isn't that "just degrees" too?

Sure but there are even degrees of degrees. That is a pretty big degree or turn.

The "biological necessity" you referred to above is really the need to procreate; there's nothing 'necessary' about fucking for fun.

You can´t really differentiate the one from the other. The reason why we are alive today is because the biological necessity feels good and is ¨fun¨.

Those premises of "love and morality" you labelled false evolved to protect the offspring and families that ensure the necessary survival of the species. Hardly surprising that women would be enthusiastic about them, stuck with the kids for nine months plus now is it?

Sure but it is still a false premise to set up when it comes to recreational fucking.

If you want to see the whole thing as commercial, that's fine (for you), but where's the real-world logic in propositioning the dancer—who's income potential's high—and ignoring the waitress who's getting minimum wage?

The real-world logic is about who values money more which you can ascertain in some part by their lifestyle choices. A hot girl who chooses to be a dancer values money more than a hot girl that works at Timmy´s and the proposition is money for sex.

To paraphrase GBS: it seems you've already decided what she is, now it's only a matter of haggling over price.

I´ve not decided anything about who she is as a person and I don´t think accepting money for sex really reflects anything about her core personality that I can make judgmental values on.

Working in a sex-business doesn't make you a whore.

I know but what is wrong with propositioning them for a sexual service after they have propositioned me repeatedly before? Isn´t that a double standard and false morality based on how you see sex in relation to other sexual services?

(See: The "It couldn't have been rape, your Honour, the way she was dressed…" Defence).

Why bring rape into the picture? The money is for their consent.

Be careful; complaining about how few of them are "open for business" may just be saying as much about the complainer as the dancers.

The reality is that the vast majority of people can´t get the hottest looking dancers in the clubs without money being factored somehow into the equation but even then it is somewhat of a long shot.

 

[Malibook]

The line between dancing and hooking may be negligible to you but to expect these hot dancers to feel the same is wishful thinking.

That being said, the industry is not raking in the bucks it used to and perhaps the divide is shrinking for more and more dancers.

The ones who do offer take-out are not slaves and they are free to be selective.

In any case, you are not looking to hire them for a photo shoot and many would be over-priced and under-performing duds anyways.

 

[RTRD]

Well hell...

...I'm amazed too. You are so charming.

The reason the really hot girls don't fuck you is because they can do better. Be it for pay or not, because they are really hot, they can wait for someone who either a) has more money, or b) isn't such a prick.

They have a choice. It is just that simple.

oh...wait...you assumed that because they wouldn't fuck YOU they wouldn't fuck anybody else, didn't you.....LOL!!

 

[Diode]

Solitaria, has a decent point.
We do proposition people all the time. And the girl at TH may be a horny babe , who likes to ride the odd customer.
The hard part for many men to understand, I think, Is because "sex" is so pleasurable, both in Love, and not, ...Why are women so dammed different?

The hot dancer, who lets you feel her up, rubs your dick, and breathes into your ear, makes it even more confusing.
It's logical to assume, that she's enjoying this as much as you are, and the next step would seem to be the mutual satisfaction of a sexual encounter.
(even if one partner is paying the freight)
Reminds me of high school: you would make out with a girl, play with her, she'd be wet and hot...and then....stops.
Hard to figure out for a man.
But I guess that every sexual encounter is more of a risk for a woman than the man. Something has to over-come that risk...Love, money, a bit of both.
My point is that Dancers are women. And it seems most women weigh the pros/cons of each encounter. Some just draw the line closer to the end.

 

[RTRD]

No...

Solitaria, has a decent point.

...he doesn't. He has an ignorant (and I mean that without insult) point. Ignorant of how (most) women really think....either through innocent ignorance or intent.

"The hard part for many men to understand, I think, Is because "sex" is so pleasurable, both in Love, and not, ...Why are women so dammed different?"

Because for MOST women, the pleasure is as much emotional / psychological as it is physical.

For women sex is literally an invasion of their bodies. For some perspective, think about having sex with a guy...and you are the receiver, not the giver. Clearly some significant sized percentage of the population thinks this is pleasuable...and I am man enough to admit I like a good postate massage. So - not being attracted to men not withstanding - why are we as hetrosexual men (typically) so oppossed? Because they very ideal of someone inserting something into a most personal physical space seems unnatural.

So - women of course have a somewhat different perspective, but still, for most sex requires some level of trust. And...in the absence of that trust, a different...somewhat artifical...criteria is created. The woman at minimum wants to call the shots.

This is CRITICAL for women...so critical that to violate this is a crime (we call it "rape"). Having this control puts a woman in the frame of mind to "enjoy" sex.

It isn't romance that we are talking about here - romance is often the reason why women will have bad sex repeatedly with someone...lol.

What were are talking about is that even for casual sex a woman has to be in the "right place" in order to enjoy it...and the first step of that right place is that SHE chose YOU to have sex with, not the other way around.

Now - if you understand that, then it is easy to see why the more attractive a woman is, the less likely she is to abandon that - even for money. Why should she? She has choices, and frankly YOU (the royal you here) aren't the person she would chose. Money tends to make that little problem go away, but the more choice said woman has, the more money it will take to get her to decide to "lower her standards" (whatever they might be).

Bottom line - if you don't have enough "game" to give a woman reason to sleep with you, then it is going to be an expensive proposition. And the better looking she is, the more expensive it will be.

BTW - I will again chime in that Solitaria's post seems to imply that these women don't have sex (or do "take out", if you will) with anyone. He doesn't know that. They have chosen to not have sex with HIM. If he were more charming / better looking / had more money, it is likely he'd find success. I would have to agree that it is unlikely that there are many (not zero, just not many) dancers who absolutely, positively would NEVER fuck a customer. Hell - they might do it for free (I mean really, if she wants to fuck you what difference does it make where she met you?). Solitaria just didn't meet the standard for that particular woman on that particular day...

 

[fuzzyslippers]

...I'm amazed too. You are so charming.

The reason the really hot girls don't fuck you is because they can do better. Be it for pay or not, because they are really hot, they can wait for someone who either a) has more money, or b) isn't such a prick.

They have a choice. It is just that simple.

oh...wait...you assumed that because they wouldn't fuck YOU they would fuck anybody else, didn't you.....LOL!!

We have a winner.

 

[Diode]

...he doesn't. He has an ignorant

For women sex is literally an invasion of their bodies. For some perspective, think about having sex with a guy...and you are the receiver, not the giver. Clearly some significant sized percentage of the population thinks this is pleasuable...and I am man enough to admit I like a good postate massage. So - not being attracted to men not withstanding - why are we as hetrosexual men (typically) so oppossed? Because they very ideal of someone inserting something into a most personal physical space seems unnatural.

I dissagree. Anal sex is not the same as vaginal sex. The vagina was made for sex and delivering babies. Your bum (both male and female for pooping)
I really disagree that sex with a woman is "invading" her body.
It's like saying that a man should be afraid to put his penis in there, for fear of not getting it back.
It is still product of evolution I guess. Man wants to sow....Woman wants to have good provider for Baby.
Anyway, what the hell, all we really need are fuck buddies I guess.

 

[solitaria]

The line between dancing and hooking may be negligible to you but to expect these hot dancers to feel the same is wishful thinking.

The ones who do offer take-out are not slaves and they are free to be selective.

I don´t expect them to feel that way hence the reason for my post. I was just curious as to the why from other people´s perspectives when most men see that line as negligible.

Why are people who have become adults make value and moral judgments based on sexual choices? If a hot-looking girl asks a guy if he´d do her for money most would feel like an absolute stud inside and would have no qualms about doing her but conversely the girl has to fight with feelings of inadequacy and self-worth in the same situation when faced with the same choice. Why do people allow themselves to be programmed in this way and further perpetuate this attitude with their labels and beliefs about the people who do? Those are the real slaves.